TSMC to prioritize production of chips for cars, not your next graphics card

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They make some very reliable v8's nowadays, but applying the KISS principle and keeping the extraneous electrojunk to a minimum would be sweet. I'd take a fuel injected modern V8 over the old carbureted mess they had in those machines. Dont get me wrong they are reliable, but modern engines are better in every possible way.
My truck has a 8.1 out of a 2500 silverado, modern fuel injection but stand alone engine harness thats simple enough that it can be fixed. If anything ever happens to this motor it will be replaced with a low milage cummins diesel i have stashed away.
 

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A mechanic will find a way to rake you over the coals regardless of tech. Each car I’ve bought has more tech, but also thankfully less total repair cost. The 90ish Plymouth Acclaim was total junk and cost tons in repairs. The 99 and 03 Taurus were better, until they both hit eventual transmission issues. The 12 Focus has cost me next to nothing beyond maintenance. I expect my first electric car won’t even cost me as much in maintenance, let alone repair.

As a now seven year old car, my F-type has had fewer repairs and less total cost of repairs (not even factoring for inflation) than either of my prior two cars had at their respective seven year marks.

Regular maintenance, other than oil changes, doesn't even cost that much more as compared to my Saturn Sky since the batteries cost within about $5 of each other and the Sky drove on Michelin PS2s.
 

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Anything you read on Forbes has to be taken with a grain of salt.

IBM is mostly a services company now (and not a very good one), so I will believe this when I see it.
It was posted on a lot of sites, Forbes was just at the top of the list when I googled it. It’s also on like 30 other sites. Intel showing off their 2nm process was a big enough deal, their partnership with Intel was just icing on the cake which wasn’t possible till they could get rid of their contract with Global Foundries.
 

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LOL. I've had my car for 7 years (got the 8 year warranty, which seemed like forever, but it's only 1 year left).

Honestly, it's fine. It's a Honda, very reliable. Take it to the shop frequently and no major problems. Only 30k miles since I've been working from home and barely drive anywhere.

I'll just keep it until it dies, or if something really new comes out that warrants it (like some new kind of energy system, real fully autonomous cars, that kind of thing). Otherwise I think it will last a long time.
The battery on my Prius just started acting up, now the warranty on it is 10/150k which is great because it's only got 136k miles on it... however it's a 2006 car... #feelsbadman. That said, I've been waffling over how to replace it, it seems that it's really the fault of a single cell in the whole thing, but damnit if removing it isn't the most annoying thing ever, pretty much need to pull up all the fabric of the back of the car just to get to the battery.
 

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You ever drive 1000 miles with little kids in the car, or heck, a wife that hates driving? You’ll be stopping for an hour every time you get gas anyway, so the charge time is irrelevant. At least for a certain portion of those traveling.

Edit - it’s not even a matter of charging for “an hour or two”. 15 Minutes gets you 200 miles and 25 minutes gets you a full charge. By the time you get the wife and kids out of the car, finish the bathroom break, get a snack, and get them back in you’re looking at 20 minutes min, and more likely 45 mins. You’ll have enough charge at this point they will be asking to get out of the car again before you run out of charge.

Level 3 Charge time reference:
https://electrek.co/2021/07/06/how-long-does-it-take-to-charge-a-tesla/
well this is the video i saw a while back of people on an actual road trip, and how they had to plan the trip around the supercharger stations and how that meant they had to go out of their way and not take a direct route, and how depending on how many people/cargo you have and if you drive over 55 that the batteries may not last as long especially if they aren't brand new and how it actually can take longer to charge depending on how depleted the batteries are... i know it's some semi annoying kids but maybe you should have a look



edit: since i know most of you won't watch it (even thought it's worth a watch) a 17hr trip took them 36 hrs and they had to stop again once they got to their destination to charge again. no thanks.
 
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The battery on my Prius just started acting up, now the warranty on it is 10/150k which is great because it's only got 136k miles on it... however it's a 2006 car... #feelsbadman. That said, I've been waffling over how to replace it, it seems that it's really the fault of a single cell in the whole thing, but damnit if removing it isn't the most annoying thing ever, pretty much need to pull up all the fabric of the back of the car just to get to the battery.
On the bright side there are aftermarket batteries for them.
This is one of the better options out there
https://greenbeanbattery.com/ (to my knowledge)
 

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The battery on my Prius just started acting up, now the warranty on it is 10/150k which is great because it's only got 136k miles on it... however it's a 2006 car... #feelsbadman. That said, I've been waffling over how to replace it, it seems that it's really the fault of a single cell in the whole thing, but damnit if removing it isn't the most annoying thing ever, pretty much need to pull up all the fabric of the back of the car just to get to the battery.
Just make sure you get a brand new one. Don't go for a cheap "Refurbished" one if you do decide to replace it. The battery itself for a Prius is not that bad but the labor could be killer.
 

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Just make sure you get a brand new one. Don't go for a cheap "Refurbished" one if you do decide to replace it. The battery itself for a Prius is not that bad but the labor could be killer.
tesla's have a whole bank of batteries. and from what i hear they are already pilling up at the dumps as big piles of toxic waste. not to mention the burnt fossil fuels or nuclear waste that it took to charge them.


What you see in this video is an electric car at a charging station with a shorting cell setting off a fire. Eventually, all the cars in that charging line were lost. Note the time it took to destroy 3 cars; just over 1 minute.
The first car was destroyed in about 38 seconds. The fire cannot be extinguished with water. No fire department will approach a burning battery-powered car because of the toxic gasses produced during the fire.

No recycling plant will take the destroyed car on account of the toxic chemicals contained in the batteries.
 
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Can't help but wonder if that tesla's gonna notice and successfully evade the semi about to T-bone them at 60 with the driver asleep at the wheel of both vehicles.
 

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Well, I went out used car shopping yesterday to find a replacement for the family enclave that needs a new engine.

One guy at a Nissan dealership told me it is going to get worse. He said the estimates are that Ida totaled 250,000 cards. While I was there, they were loading several cars on a truck that a dealer in California bought from them at full ask...none of that dealer swap stuff.

I then asked, let's just say I wanted to order a mythical Pathfinder. How long to get it? He said 'I don't know...they've pretty much said, don't even bother ordering them right now.' And he wasn't acting like a greasy salesman with the what can I do to get you into this today. He was speaking out of frustration.
 

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Well, I went out used car shopping yesterday to find a replacement for the family enclave that needs a new engine.

One guy at a Nissan dealership told me it is going to get worse. He said the estimates are that Ida totaled 250,000 cards. While I was there, they were loading several cars on a truck that a dealer in California bought from them at full ask...none of that dealer swap stuff.

I then asked, let's just say I wanted to order a mythical Pathfinder. How long to get it? He said 'I don't know...they've pretty much said, don't even bother ordering them right now.' And he wasn't acting like a greasy salesman with the what can I do to get you into this today. He was speaking out of frustration.
you may want to try toyota this time... that way you dont' have to worry about any more engines. just stuff like brakes and oil changes. until you get to around 250,000 mi then maybe a starter

edit: never seen anyone have good luck with nissans
 

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you may want to try toyota this time... that way you dont' have to worry about any more engines. just stuff like brakes and oil changes. until you get to around 250,000 mi then maybe a starter

edit: never seen anyone have good luck with nissans
Wasn't going to get a nissan...wasnt getting a toyota either.

I dunno, i have some sort of anti-toyota selection bias though. When was the last time a conversation ever went like something like this...

Dang, that is one sweet___________
highlander
rav4
sienna
camry
corolla
prius

But by and large, the toyota lineup seems to be the cure for insomnia.

The land cruiser though, that one I'd go for. it has some soul.
 

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Yeah, I really don't like driving either. However, unless you live in a few of the big cities with good transit, you basically have no choice.

But where I'm at now, I have enough stuff in walking distance that I rarely have to drive. Maybe once a week or every two weeks to run an errand.
 
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I rode my bike 40 miles a day to and from work for 6 years until some asshat nearly took my head off with his trailer mirror. Fortunately I didn't suffer any permanent dain bramage.
 

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I rode my bike 40 miles a day to and from work for 6 years until some asshat nearly took my head off with his trailer mirror. Fortunately I didn't suffer any permanent dain bramage.
I could ride a bike to work, but all the roads with shoulders are narrow two-lanes, with 50mph limit, everyone going faster, and a bunch of junk on the shoulder, or there's no shoulder and a 5ft deep ditch. Oh, and it'd be over an hour going at a decent pace. :/
 

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Wasn't going to get a nissan...wasnt getting a toyota either.

I dunno, i have some sort of anti-toyota selection bias though. When was the last time a conversation ever went like something like this...

Dang, that is one sweet___________
highlander
rav4
sienna
camry
corolla
prius

But by and large, the toyota lineup seems to be the cure for insomnia.

The land cruiser though, that one I'd go for. it has some soul.
depends on who you talk to. my last avalon had 347,000 miles when the transmission finally gave up. my buddy's got a bad ass V8 tundra. hey it's your money, if you want to throw it away, that's on you. i got other priorites than cars. i just want to get to where i'm going without having to worry about breaking down. pay attention for the next few weeks and note the model of all the cars you see broken down on the side of the road, and count how many are toyotas. what about the GR86 or the Supra? or this corolla xse?
corolla xse.jpg

HKS-Toyota-GR-86.jpg

^^2022 GR86
 
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enclave LOL!!!
Yup, the irony.

A couple 110lb dogs and the family life does that. Or getting that new 65in tv. Or some 2x4s. The thing is huge in the back.

My jeep is way more fun to drive, but doesn't hold much in comparison. Grand cherokee L sometime soon.
 

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We actually just got a new car. My partners car (a 2005 ford escape) died late august and after getting a mechanic to tell us "yeah, its dead - dead" we went hunting for, originally, a used car.

Well that was a clusterfuck. Used cars are expensive now, hard to find, buying the day they hit the lot and all sorts of other obnoxious things. Eventually we realized that we could buy a lower end new car for the same price as a new car.

We drove a bunch of things, watched and read a ton of reviews, drove some more things and eventually decided on a 2022 Corolla Hybrid. However, when we went to go pick it up, the one that the website said was on the lot was actually pre-sold. So we bought the next one in queue, that was "in transit." It took nearly 1.5 months to arrive due to shipping delays, it was stuck in port for nearly 4 weeks.

During this time we basically found out that we got super, super, super lucky that we only had a 1.5 month delay, that every single new vehicle coming into that dealership (Toyota and Subaru) were pre-sold, and certain popular cars, such as Prius, Rav 4,Crosstrek, etc. were at 6+ month delays if you ordered one now.

But, I guess, importantly, we got our car, and honestly, after both of us not being anything near gearheads and both driving 10+ year old SUVs with 150k+ miles on them for ages, we're extremely happy with the Corolla. Also having 600+ miles per tank fill is ridiculous.

We were also told that due to the way the shortage currently is. We could have driven that car directly off the lot, gone to a different dealership next door and basically sold it for profit. But then we'd be out of a vehicle for another two months or so...
 

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We actually just got a new car. My partners car (a 2005 ford escape) died late august and after getting a mechanic to tell us "yeah, its dead - dead" we went hunting for, originally, a used car.

Well that was a clusterfuck. Used cars are expensive now, hard to find, buying the day they hit the lot and all sorts of other obnoxious things. Eventually we realized that we could buy a lower end new car for the same price as a new car.

We drove a bunch of things, watched and read a ton of reviews, drove some more things and eventually decided on a 2022 Corolla Hybrid. However, when we went to go pick it up, the one that the website said was on the lot was actually pre-sold. So we bought the next one in queue, that was "in transit." It took nearly 1.5 months to arrive due to shipping delays, it was stuck in port for nearly 4 weeks.

During this time we basically found out that we got super, super, super lucky that we only had a 1.5 month delay, that every single new vehicle coming into that dealership (Toyota and Subaru) were pre-sold, and certain popular cars, such as Prius, Rav 4,Crosstrek, etc. were at 6+ month delays if you ordered one now.

But, I guess, importantly, we got our car, and honestly, after both of us not being anything near gearheads and both driving 10+ year old SUVs with 150k+ miles on them for ages, we're extremely happy with the Corolla. Also having 600+ miles per tank fill is ridiculous.

We were also told that due to the way the shortage currently is. We could have driven that car directly off the lot, gone to a different dealership next door and basically sold it for profit. But then we'd be out of a vehicle for another two months or so...

I know, it's stupid right now...I am in a very similar situation, just not after a corolla.

I don't know what direction to go. Used cars are over priced. I am looking at some lightly used 2020 models where I can pull up the stickers from when new, and their price now isn't much different from the MSRP a couple years ago.
 

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“I’ll make them as many Intel 16 [nanometer] chips as they want,” Intel chief executive Pat Gelsinger told Fortune last week "

That's funny, coming from the company that was mumble years late with 10nm.

And this is a fascinating claim, given how we keep hearing how bleeding-edge nodes are so much more expensive:

"“The semiconductor companies continue to operate older fabs using bigger lithographic processes (like 90 nanometers),” Coughlin added. “But they don’t invest in new plants making these parts, because the costs of manufacturing the chips are less for newer fabs with finer lithographic features."
 

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“I’ll make them as many Intel 16 [nanometer] chips as they want,” Intel chief executive Pat Gelsinger told Fortune last week "

That's funny, coming from the company that was mumble years late with 10nm.

And this is a fascinating claim, given how we keep hearing how bleeding-edge nodes are so much more expensive:

"“The semiconductor companies continue to operate older fabs using bigger lithographic processes (like 90 nanometers),” Coughlin added. “But they don’t invest in new plants making these parts, because the costs of manufacturing the chips are less for newer fabs with finer lithographic features."
16nm is a dime a dozen but 90nm and large processes like this are ancient. Trying to find new hardware for them when things break down is difficult and we are at a point where the raw materials are worth more than what they can charge for 90nm. That same amount of silicon on 16 or even 22 nm would yield far more chips.
 

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Yup, the irony.

A couple 110lb dogs and the family life does that. Or getting that new 65in tv. Or some 2x4s. The thing is huge in the back.

My jeep is way more fun to drive, but doesn't hold much in comparison. Grand cherokee L sometime soon.
I routinely put 366 pounds worth of German Shepherds in a F150 crewcab.
 

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Newest Vehicle Technologies Going Unused

J.D. Power released the results of its Tech Experience Index study that measures "how much owners like [in-car] technologies and how many problems they experience with them." Among the study's findings, automakers are loading vehicles with more software and digital experiences that owners claim they never learn how to use or decide they don't need

For example, owners report to J.D. Power that gesture controls, like those used by BMW (spinning a finger, for instance, can raise or lower the audio volume), don't improve the overall ownership experience. In fact, gesture controls received the lowest overall satisfaction score in the study for a second consecutive year...

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2021-us-tech-experience-index-txi-study
 

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Newest Vehicle Technologies Going Unused

J.D. Power released the results of its Tech Experience Index study that measures "how much owners like [in-car] technologies and how many problems they experience with them." Among the study's findings, automakers are loading vehicles with more software and digital experiences that owners claim they never learn how to use or decide they don't need

For example, owners report to J.D. Power that gesture controls, like those used by BMW (spinning a finger, for instance, can raise or lower the audio volume), don't improve the overall ownership experience. In fact, gesture controls received the lowest overall satisfaction score in the study for a second consecutive year...

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2021-us-tech-experience-index-txi-study
Truth
 

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I routinely put 366 pounds worth of German Shepherds in a F150 crewcab.
The new F150 has a scale built into the suspension and will give you a readout on your load. It also has indicators built into the tail lights so as you load up it it will light up according to the weight and medicate if it’s too heavy.

I can only imagine what that is going to cost to replace. So many busted tail lights in those high school parking lots.
 

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Makes sense. I barely use the entertainment features of the touch screen on my car. It has Bluetooth, so I just do everything on my phone.
 
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You can't imagine the look on peoples faces when I tell them their Volvo needs $700.00 dollars worth of software updates to correct "the volume on my radio changes every time I turn my car off" or some other silly detail that's overlooked during software development.
 

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You can't imagine the look on peoples faces when I tell them their Volvo needs $700.00 dollars worth of software updates to correct "the volume on my radio changes every time I turn my car off" or some other silly detail that's overlooked during software development.
The kind of people who would charge for bug fixes should be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes.

I may be exaggerating for comedic effect.
 
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The kind of people who would charge for bug fixes should be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes.

I may be exaggerating for comedic effect.
That would put Volvo at the front of the line since they charge 40 to 100 dollars per module for the software downloads.
 
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