TSMC Begins Volume Production of Enhanced 7 nm EUV Process Node in March

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According to a report from DigiTimes, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) will begin volume production of its new 7 nm EUV node in March. TSMC has reserved 18 of the 30 extreme ultraviolet (EUV) systems from Dutch lithography equipment manufacturer ASML. TSMC is on track to being risk production of its new 5 nm process node in Q2 2019. EUV is expected to be a key component of TSMC's 5 nm node. TSMC CEO CC Wei has previously disclosed that the foundry expects to "start taping out 5nm chip designs later in the first half of 2019 and move the node to volume production in the first half of 2020." He also discussed the growing client list for his foundry's 7 nm process node.

TSMC started volume producing 7nm chips in April 2018, with AMD, Apple, HiSilicon and Xilinx reportedly being among its major 7nm chip customers. The foundry will soon roll out its EUV-based 7nm process, which will boost its total 7nm chip sales to account for 25% of total wafer sales this year compared with 9% in 2018.
 
Interesting, I can't believe they have it running this early and are already working on the 5nm process, but according to leaked possible Product schedules It makes sense, we have leaks putting the PS5 and Xbox in 2020, Apple has the A19 chips, AMD Navi/NVidia 3000 series 2020, Ryzen 2 is the only thing up in the air which I'm sure we will get all the juicy details at Computex, but I wonder if Ryzen 3000 series will release early on double/triple patterned lith. and Ryzen 2+ will be EUV/UVL lith.on 7nm.

For the first time in a long time I'm actually excited about the CPU space Intels 10nm apparently has been a struggle, although more dense, with the hard time they had I wonder if the performance will be a decent improvement enough to tackle Ryzen at a 7nm chiplet with the 12nm IO and what will be the consequences of that design also will there be significant improvements in the IO speeds and latency due to less thermal interference or will separating them to parts on the chip package increase latency and IO times, It would be interesting to see some tests done to see how real world workloads are effected. Either way I'm looking forward to the Market.

GPUs though might benefit greater than CPUs will, there are only a few instances where we see bottlenecks at the CPU level compared to the Bottleneck at GPU level in gaming.

Laptops in general we might see another really good leap in performance, maybe we will finally start to see some 1440p panels out there at 120htz levels as the 2070 and the 2080 are overkill for 1080p despite the overall price gouging, I rather lose battery to a higher resolution screen than have to lose battery to over taxing the GPU having to do heavy AA loads. 4k though is still overreaching on a Laptop for gaming. Hopefully AMD will renter the Laptop space again in full force. at least in the $800-$1400 range of gaming products.
 
1Nocturnal101 said:
Interesting, I can't believe they have it running this early and are already working on the 5nm process, but according to leaked possible Product schedules It makes sense, we have leaks putting the PS5 and Xbox in 2020, Apple has the A19 chips, AMD Navi/NVidia 3000 series 2020, Ryzen 2 is the only thing up in the air which I'm sure we will get all the juicy details at Computex, but I wonder if Ryzen 3000 series will release early on double/triple patterned lith. and Ryzen 2+ will be EUV/UVL lith.on 7nm.

For the first time in a long time I'm actually excited about the CPU space Intels 10nm apparently has been a struggle, although more dense, with the hard time they had I wonder if the performance will be a decent improvement enough to tackle Ryzen at a 7nm chiplet with the 12nm IO and what will be the consequences of that design also will there be significant improvements in the IO speeds and latency due to less thermal interference or will separating them to parts on the chip package increase latency and IO times, It would be interesting to see some tests done to see how real world workloads are effected. Either way I'm looking forward to the Market.

GPUs though might benefit greater than CPUs will, there are only a few instances where we see bottlenecks at the CPU level compared to the Bottleneck at GPU level in gaming.

Laptops in general we might see another really good leap in performance, maybe we will finally start to see some 1440p panels out there at 120htz levels as the 2070 and the 2080 are overkill for 1080p despite the overall price gouging, I rather lose battery to a higher resolution screen than have to lose battery to over taxing the GPU having to do heavy AA loads. 4k though is still overreaching on a Laptop for gaming. Hopefully AMD will renter the Laptop space again in full force. at least in the $800-$1400 range of gaming products.
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What is Ryzen 2? Please don't use that nomenclature. Ryzen 3xxx, or Zen 2 (preferred, because not all Ryzen 3xxx are Zen 2).
 
Nobu said:
What is Ryzen 2? Please don't use that nomenclature. Ryzen 3xxx, or Zen 2 (preferred, because not all Ryzen 3xxx are Zen 2).
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Lol does it matter ryZEN ...get it...the naming scheme is foobar anyways. The symantics arnt worth the thought process involved.
 
No point in buying zen2, if its not on 7nm. They said it would be, and release is around may/june
 
The last time I read about TSMC's 7nm EUV node, they were having problems with heat and finding a suitable pellicle material. I guess they got that all figured out now. Time to go read some nerd porn. :)
 
1Nocturnal101 said:
Interesting, I can't believe they have it running this early and are already working on the 5nm process, but according to leaked possible Product schedules It makes sense, we have leaks putting the PS5 and Xbox in 2020, Apple has the A19 chips, AMD Navi/NVidia 3000 series 2020, Ryzen 2 is the only thing up in the air which I'm sure we will get all the juicy details at Computex, but I wonder if Ryzen 3000 series will release early on double/triple patterned lith. and Ryzen 2+ will be EUV/UVL lith.on 7nm.

For the first time in a long time I'm actually excited about the CPU space Intels 10nm apparently has been a struggle, although more dense, with the hard time they had I wonder if the performance will be a decent improvement enough to tackle Ryzen at a 7nm chiplet with the 12nm IO and what will be the consequences of that design also will there be significant improvements in the IO speeds and latency due to less thermal interference or will separating them to parts on the chip package increase latency and IO times, It would be interesting to see some tests done to see how real world workloads are effected. Either way I'm looking forward to the Market.

GPUs though might benefit greater than CPUs will, there are only a few instances where we see bottlenecks at the CPU level compared to the Bottleneck at GPU level in gaming.

Laptops in general we might see another really good leap in performance, maybe we will finally start to see some 1440p panels out there at 120htz levels as the 2070 and the 2080 are overkill for 1080p despite the overall price gouging, I rather lose battery to a higher resolution screen than have to lose battery to over taxing the GPU having to do heavy AA loads. 4k though is still overreaching on a Laptop for gaming. Hopefully AMD will renter the Laptop space again in full force. at least in the $800-$1400 range of gaming products.
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You are using incorrect nomenclature that only serves to confuse people. There is absolutely no such thing as Ryzen 2+ and if you mean Zen 2 + you should be referring instead to Zen 3 which comes in early 2020 in the 7nm EUV process from TSMC. It serves nobody well when those who should know better muddy the waters with inaccurate terminology.
 
os2wiz said:
You are using incorrect nomenclature that only serves to confuse people. There is absolutely no such thing as Ryzen 2+ and if you mean Zen 2 + you should be referring instead to Zen 3 which comes in early 2020 in the 7nm EUV process from TSMC. It serves nobody well when those who should know better muddy the waters with inaccurate terminology.
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Fair enough, but you have to admit between the actual codenames for internal projects(aka the arch) to the actual name to what people will call it is meaningless, customers only understand what they see, which is Ryzen 1000, 2000, 3000 having to keep claiming Zen, Zen+, Zen 2, Zen 2+, Zen3 is just meaningless to actual consumers and only serves to make things even worse when you are dealing with them, on forums I have seen mixed results, which is why I ussually drop the symantics, I mean if you are in the industry or just a tech enthusiast it doesn't matter to 90% of people Zen=Ryzen. I get it, but your overthinking it to be honest because it's already a clusterfuck. Unless you work for AMD or are a strict neophyte I really doubt people care or are aware of what you are saying, I speak to everyone which means ussually means a good 70% or more need it done "Barneystyle" going in that far that you need to distinguish arch from the product is 9/10 times not necessary.
 
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