Trump Wants Postal Service to Charge “Much More” for Amazon Shipments

Everything that is old is new again. Why not go back to missile mail? In 1936 we delivered mail from New York to New Jersey via missile. With recyclable missiles from Elon Musk's SpaceX I think we can do this much more efficiently and at a much lower cost in the future!

If the idea of missiles delivering mail scares some of you what about large drones? Amazon already wants to deliver packages via drones to your home. Why not make the drones larger and fly tons of boxes from one state to another?

 
Trump has a boner for Bezos because he supported the snake H.Clinton. Bezos owns Washington post which is pro democratic fake news outlet.
 
Amazon is bigger than Govt.

As mentioned if Trump wants to cause trouble (he doesn't he is just bullshitting for his dwindling fans) they will do just like they have done in most other countries and just use private companies and individuals to deliver.

About 1 in 20 of my Amazon deliveries is by Royal Mail here in the UK.

Amazon doesnt need anyone outside Amazon.
 
ManofGod said:
because he is not interjecting himself into stuff he has no need to be in. (Think Boston College Professor, Trayvon Martin and many other such things.)
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So he had a need to comment about the people kneeling during the national anthem in football?
 
I can see a lot of sides on this and I feel most have their merit but bottom line is that it's difficult for me to feel sorry for USPS beyond the many stringent details of their unusual existence(I doubt Franklin intended it to be this way) involving the government. Take the time to read the previous 3 pages and sure there's some misinformation but there's also a lot of facts. Gotta love [H]ard!

My consistent grief continues to be that its a small miracle when my stuff is delivered to me and not one of my neighbors and vice versa. Very, very, rarely have that issue with UPS/Fedex. The poor history I've witnessed with USPS predates the current, previous, and the past two administrations before that so don't anyone expect me to believe hype that any one of them is the root of the problem or that this guy has any real interest in helping them. Over ten years ago I used to drop off the mail for my employer at the main downtown office, and back then many of the same pro's and con's about Amazon now- were being said about NetFlix then. I used to see multiple full size carts dedicated to all the discs being mailed then. This was at a time when USPS was scaling back labor due many new problems and the least of which was the impact of email and texting on written letters.
 
sfsuphysics said:
So he had a need to comment about the people kneeling during the national anthem in football?
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I have no issue with that since it was disrespectful to all of us what was occurring and it is hardly comparable to what I mentioned.
 
daglesj said:
Amazon is bigger than Govt.

As mentioned if Trump wants to cause trouble (he doesn't he is just bullshitting for his dwindling fans) they will do just like they have done in most other countries and just use private companies and individuals to deliver.

About 1 in 20 of my Amazon deliveries is by Royal Mail here in the UK.

Amazon doesnt need anyone outside Amazon.
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They don't? So, what is the name of Amazon's shipping company again?
 
GlowingGhoul said:
It's perfectly reasonable to ask why the taxpayer is subsidizing every package Amazon sends via the USPS.

Even worse is that China is classified as a "developing country" by the international postal commission, which requires the USPS to absorb the costs for delivering Chinese parcels within the US. This is why you can buy some LED's from Shenzhen for 50 cents and they come with "free shipping" to the USA, again paid for by the US taxpayer.

I benefit from these things, since I buy everything on line, but that doesn't make it right.
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It's not Amazon that's the problem, it's congress. They won't let them close post offices. They won't let them stop delivering on Saturdays and they force them pay for retirement benefits so far in the future that they cover people who haven't been hired yet.

Killing Saturday delivery would save them tons of money, but again, Congress just likes to complain about USPS costs, but they won't let them make cuts that would help fix the problem.
 
Why not also go after companies like Walmart and McDonalds that refuse to pay a livable wage? Their employees all end up on government assistance at the the tax payers' expense. It seems like this behavior of finding ways to leech off the taxpayer is common among big companies.

The US is a socialist country. It's just that it's socialism that benefits the wealthy and corporations, not the average person.
 
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Snowdensjacket said:
USPS is losing money on every Amazon shipment. Amazon has been trying to do their own home deliveries and they really picked up this year in my area. I pay attention to this stuff because I am a UPS driver. We were much lighter this Christmas season because of far far fewer Amazon deliveries.

Is this something I should be concerned about since UPS is my career? Nope. Not at all. Because we make no money, and often lose money ourselves, shipping Amazon packages. Our management team used to justify carrying them as a way to help offset fleet maintenance and fuel costs, especially when we could use rail transportation. But over time even that proved false.

Frankly it should be illegal for the post office to be shipping packages. I have to compete with them, so does FedEx, when they operate at incredible loss and the government picks up the loss. Luckily they are so incredibly inefficient that the competition is shit. Hell I deliver a ton of packages that are sent through the USPS through a special deal we have set up, called surepost. They can't even deliver their own friggin packages and so they pay UPS to do it.



Postal service employees top out at $26 an hour. They get very good benefits as well. UPS driver tops out at $36 an hour and also gets better benefits than postal workers. But we work a lot harder and actually make profit. Most drivers, if they are any good at all, will end up working ~45 hours a week. If they are out working really late it's typically because they want even more overtime.
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Amazon seems to be hiring contractors to deliver packages. These contractors end up offloading to sub contractors and they try to stiff them on their pay. A friend of mine did it for a while and every week they would try to not pay him.
 
Cmdrmonkey said:
Why not also go after companies like Walmart and McDonalds that refuse to pay a livable wage? Their employees all end up on government assistance at the the tax payers' expense. It seems like this behavior of finding ways to leech off the taxpayer is common among big companies.

The US is a socialist country. It's just that it's socialism that benefits the wealthy and corporations, not the average person.
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Because that would make Walmart and McDonalds not able to provide rock bottom prices, something that the average or poor person wants. Raise the wages, and the prices get raised too, putting the people in a moot situation where the cost of living stays the same or gets worse. McDonalds and Walmart are an entry level job. If someone wants to better themselves and get paid more, they need actual skills that are used to better themselves and the country. As far as the US being socialist, it is to the extent of 2/3 of the budget going to some form of welfare/entitlement -- which most of it goes to the poor, not the top 1%. The bottom 45-55% wage earners already pay zero or a negative amount in federal income tax. As far as the average person, I'm pretty average and I'm benefiting greatly from living in the US. My life is pretty awesome and I can't complain. Then again, I work for a living and studied/worked hard to get where I'm at.
 
Khahhblaab said:
Not being a fan of Trump, it sucks a bit that I see his point. USPS handles 506.4 million pieces of mail per day. 184 billion per year. Increase rates by .05¢ and you increase the income by 9 billion dollars! That puts USPS back in the profit. A lot of income by raising rates by 5 cents. Cant argue that at all. He does have some business sense, even with 6 bankruptcies behind him.
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again as i've stated USPS is NOT ALLOWED to make a profit.. what ever money is not allocated into resources for the up coming year is turned over to the federal government so you're basically paying a tax you get no return on by raising prices. do you really want to hand over free money to the government with no oversight on what the money is spent on?
 
homernoy said:
Trump needs to fucking work on pulling his head out of his ass before tackling the biggest problems of our time. Like Amazon and the USPS. SMH. If you voted for that reality show misfit, hang your head.............in shame.
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Do you hang your head in shame because he beat hillary? I am proud I voted for Trump. Sorry you voted for a loser.
 
daglesj said:
Amazon is bigger than Govt.

As mentioned if Trump wants to cause trouble (he doesn't he is just bullshitting for his dwindling fans) they will do just like they have done in most other countries and just use private companies and individuals to deliver.

About 1 in 20 of my Amazon deliveries is by Royal Mail here in the UK.

Amazon doesnt need anyone outside Amazon.
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You live in a country we beat the snot out of and bailed out twice during two world wars. President Trump is your daddy for all intents and purposes.
 
Snowdensjacket said:
Postal service employees top out at $26 an hour. They get very good benefits as well. UPS driver tops out at $36 an hour and also gets better benefits than postal workers. But we work a lot harder and actually make profit. Most drivers, if they are any good at all, will end up working ~45 hours a week. If they are out working really late it's typically because they want even more overtime.
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The lowest of the full time employees tops out at $27.13 for a level 3, and those aren't carriers. Even custodians are level 4's. Government payscales don't go super high though and they cap you earlier in years in exchange for a nice retirement.

Also, if you think 45 hours is a rough week with overtime, I got news for you with that whole "we work harder" thing.
 
45 hours a week would feel like part time for me, lol. I usually work at least 60hrs a week.
 
all my bills are paperless now.
the mail is for local burger king coupons and whatnot.

if its important, the private sector delivers it.
 
I have a better idea. Instead of whacking stateside businesses (and therefore their customers - US citizens who will get these increased shipping costs passed down to them), how about we stop subsidizing Chinese eCommerce competitors instead? China is killing us and our Government lets it happen and has American citizens paying for the decimation of our own stateside businesses. We are pretty much paying them to cut our throats. For a great explanation, read the below link:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadesh...chants-to-ship-to-the-usa-cheap/#10e8964b40ca
 
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wizzi01 said:
You live in a country we beat the snot out of and bailed out twice during two world wars. President Trump is your daddy for all intents and purposes.
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Yes thanks for that. Had you joined the fun when we asked you to it would have all been over much sooner.
 
wizzi01 said:
You live in a country we beat the snot out of and bailed out twice during two world wars. President Trump is your daddy for all intents and purposes.
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I think you need to actually read history. The ONLY reason the revolutionary war was a success was because of France. England didn't send their best forces over, nor did they even come in full force. If not for France the revolution would have failed, miserably. And the US sitting on its ass made WWII last much longer, and be much bloodier, then it should have been. If not for the Japanese making a terrible mistake we never would have entered the war because out country was acting like a scared little bitch that didn't want to help their allies fight until the war came to our doorstep.
 
w1retap said:
Because that would make Walmart and McDonalds not able to provide rock bottom prices, something that the average or poor person wants. Raise the wages, and the prices get raised too, putting the people in a moot situation where the cost of living stays the same or gets worse. McDonalds and Walmart are an entry level job. If someone wants to better themselves and get paid more, they need actual skills that are used to better themselves and the country. As far as the US being socialist, it is to the extent of 2/3 of the budget going to some form of welfare/entitlement -- which most of it goes to the poor, not the top 1%. The bottom 45-55% wage earners already pay zero or a negative amount in federal income tax. As far as the average person, I'm pretty average and I'm benefiting greatly from living in the US. My life is pretty awesome and I can't complain. Then again, I work for a living and studied/worked hard to get where I'm at.
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Walmart and McDonalds wouldn't need to raise prices. They have plenty of money and could easily afford to pay more. The executives making tens or hundreds of millions might have to take a pay cut, but the money is there. Tax payers should not be on the hook because companies with plenty of cash refuse to pay decent wages.
 
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Walmart and McDonalds wouldn't need to raise prices. They have plenty of money and could easily afford to pay more. The executives making tens or hundreds of millions might have to take a pay cut, but the money is there. Tax payers should not be on the hook because companies with plenty of cash refuse to pay decent wages.
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Do you think that upper management would give themselves a pay cut instead of passing the added cost on to the consumer?
 
So many people do not understand the President's tactic. He just says something arbitrary. And then stands back while everyone makes a mad dash to prove him wrong and in the process it creates a lengthy discussion all through out the country.

Cunningham's Law states "the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer."

He says Amazon is the problem, a simple claim. Now all of you clamor over each to give the "right answer". The discussion happened. People learned stuff, whether they admit it or not (like the China ebay subsidizing).

246 characters and a couple minutes and the whole country is talking. But yet, Trump doesn't know what he's doing.

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Cmdrmonkey said:
Walmart and McDonalds wouldn't need to raise prices. They have plenty of money and could easily afford to pay more. The executives making tens or hundreds of millions might have to take a pay cut, but the money is there. Tax payers should not be on the hook because companies with plenty of cash refuse to pay decent wages.
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lol, when you come back to reality, let us know. That's not how the world works.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
again as i've stated USPS is NOT ALLOWED to make a profit.. what ever money is not allocated into resources for the up coming year is turned over to the federal government so you're basically paying a tax you get no return on by raising prices. do you really want to hand over free money to the government with no oversight on what the money is spent on?
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...its not about profit to me, just the easiest way to describe loss vs gain. If an increase in rates creates a surplus, then oversight will need to happen. Still gotta find out what happens while its running at a loss but I dont hear a lot of debate about it. Just when USPS may run at a profit/income gain do many start to get concerned. Its not about 'free money'. Its about running without a need for a bailout sometime in the future. Back in 2013 rates went up by 0.01 ¢ to get out of over a billion in debt. Something else is needed today is all.
 
Derangel said:
I think you need to actually read history. The ONLY reason the revolutionary war was a success was because of France. England didn't send their best forces over, nor did they even come in full force. If not for France the revolution would have failed, miserably. And the US sitting on its ass made WWII last much longer, and be much bloodier, then it should have been. If not for the Japanese making a terrible mistake we never would have entered the war because out country was acting like a scared little bitch that didn't want to help their allies fight until the war came to our doorstep.
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And, the british had the hessians. Your point is?

We were supplying britain supplies before we were involved. A lot of Americans were against the war. We had to wait until we had a Pearl Harbor attack to go kick ass. It Sounds like you only want to state facts you think are important.
 
w1retap said:
lol, when you come back to reality, let us know. That's not how the world works.
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So you like paying higher taxes to make up for the fact that huge companies flush with cash don't pay livable wages? Because that's what's happening back in reality. Companies like Walmart are leeching off of taxpayers. If our government weren't so damn corrupt, it would take a hard look at companies like Walmart and why all of their employees end up on food stamps and other government assistance programs.

People need to be able to live. Either Walmart can pay, or we the taxpayers pay. I pay taxes and don't think my money should be making up the difference for a company that refuses to pay a living wage. The Walmart executives are basically stealing from taxpayers and their employees to line their pockets.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareo...-2-billion-in-public-assistance/#5a543fd5720b
 
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Megalith said:
The U.S. Postal Service, which runs at a big loss, is an independent agency within the federal government and does not receive tax dollars for operating expenses.
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The USPS receives free taxes, discounted Federal loans and a monopoly on first-class mail which is the same damn thing - billions of $ in wasted taxpayer money. The left keeps spewing its fake news that it isn't. Let it compete on its own and see how long it lasts.

bos said:
Lol clearly not, since the USPS is not funded by tax payers, good effort though.
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Yes, it is.
 
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sleepeeg3 said:
The USPS receives free taxes, discounted Federal loans and a monopoly on first-class mail which is the same damn thing - billions of $ in wasted taxpayer money. The left keeps spewing its fake news that it isn't. Let it compete on its own and see how long it lasts.

Yes, it is.
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You didn't read your own link. There is NOTHING in there that states taxes going to the USPS other than the very misleading headline. It does briefly talk about tax breaks and cheap loans (cheap, not free) which have already been covered in this discussion. It also makes a dig at USPS being the only one legally able to put stuff in your mailbox. But that was not even the point of the article. That was just a lead up to the union bashing and the complaint that employees are paid too much. I guess we should cut USPS down to minimum wage and food stamps like Walmart, because that has no burden on taxpayers....
 
wizzi01 said:
You live in a country we beat the snot out of and bailed out twice during two world wars. President Trump is your daddy for all intents and purposes.
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This is a very strange post and logic .. Trump supporter ... ohhhhh makes sense.
 
why dont they just bill accordingly regardless of who is shipping so that they arent loosing money and its break even? first stop would be ending the free delivery on developing countries before making tax payers pay more.

its like public transit here in Canada, they think drivers should fund mass transit through gas taxes... no, charge the riders the actual cost of the ride so they arent loosing money. if it cant sustain itself they there is no point trying to operate it.
 
Makes sense. The USPS should be charging more, Amazon is getting richer off the backs of other companies, time to spread the wealth around.
 
bos said:
Trump's just got a bone to pick with Bezos, he's jealous because he's better looking, way richer, a better business man, and can speak English in complete sentences.

That said all it would do is take the business from USPS and give it back to ups/FedEx. Delivering Amazon packages is the least if their issues.
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RIIIIGHT... Considering UPS and Fedex are doing everything they can to get out of the "last mile" delivery - that's where all the expense is. USPS doesn't deliver on Sundays - oh wait, but they do if it's an Amazon package. Pretty sure this is NOT profitable for the USPS - think UPS or FedEx would do it for a loss? Not only this, but Amazon has the USPS making MULTIPLE trips per day - if the package didn't make it in time for the normal route carrier's deliveries, they dispatch extra carriers to make the delivery. This is INSANE. When they DO make residential deliveries - UPS and FedEx make ONE delivery run. If your package arrived at the distribution center after the driver for your route left - too bad, you'll get it the next day.
And despite Amazon charging people for this, and getting a sweetheart deal from the USPS - they STILL haven't made a profit.
 
wizzi01 said:
You live in a country we beat the snot out of and bailed out twice during two world wars. President Trump is your daddy for all intents and purposes.
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I hate to break it to you but the Allies were winning the WW2 when the US joined the fight. This notion that the US turned the tide and won the war simply isn't accurate. If our schools were more interested in teaching history rather than romanticizing it into a Disney movie for kids we wouldn't have been taught so much crap about history when we were younger.
 
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