Trader wants 8-10 monitors.

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  1. Archaea

    Archaea [H]ardForum Junkie

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    A potential client wants 8-10 monitors on his day trading rig.

    Is there a better option than just a couple gaming nvida or amd cards for this purpose? The machine won't be doing any gaming - just multiple displays.
     
  2. evt

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    Modern (and specific) AMD cards can support 6 simultaneous display outputs, such as an E8860 for low-power usage.
     
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  4. Kwaz

    Kwaz Whine & Cheezy

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    I was going to say, what is he doing, running a nuclear power plant solo?

    But day trading. Yeah. That explains it.
     
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    amd w600 or a 7750 both have 8x mini display port options and are around 250$ new. would be perfect. or a pair of quad MDSP 7750 SFF cards if he needs half height and has 2x pcie. around 400$ for that option.
     
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  7. Archaea

    Archaea [H]ardForum Junkie

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    great suggestions - thanks!

    Very helpful!
     
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  10. bigdogchris

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    Yeah, don't buy a "gaming card" for this, get one of the suggestions here that are really for that many outputs like the NVS card. Then buy 2 of these. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824995078
     
  11. cdabc123

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    i would go with 2 w7000's for up to 12 monitor
     
  12. Archaea

    Archaea [H]ardForum Junkie

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    8 card Nvidia 810NVS: ( (A) 8 - 4K 30hz :confused:, (B) 4 - 4k 60hz and 4 1080p 60hz, or (C) 8x @ 1080p 60hz) - $650
    http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvs-product-overview.html

    9 card Matrox C900: (1080p 60hz - :oops: ) - $2200
    http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/graphics_cards/c-series/c900/#close

    6 card AMD (looks to only support DX11 and 1080p at 60Hz :cautious:) - $225ish (and potentially lesser quality AMD drivers
    https://support.amd.com/en-us/search/faq/151


    Of those options it seems like the Nvidia 810 NVS might be the winner...

    The other option might be to get a motherboard with three PCI-E 16X slots and buy three 1050 cards, but at $150 a piece you'd only save a couple hundred a compared to a single 810 NVS = probably not worth the complication.
     
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    Raven Ridge APU should be able to do 2 or more so one of those 6x DP cards plus the APU is plenty (looks like the VisionTek card is cheapest)

    Otherwise APU + 2x of the lowest power 3x DP cards you can find would work too and might save a few bucks

    No need for two high end cards or USB

    Some of you guys overthink this a lot :p
     
  14. Archaea

    Archaea [H]ardForum Junkie

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    You're on the right track, IMO. Keep shit simple for that kinda build.
     
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    My wife is a commodities trader and her firm has her set up with 8x1080p displays running off an NVS 810 - she loves it. They had her on 4x4k, but the dpi was too high for her and windows would do some funky things resetting/moving the primary display.
     
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  18. cdabc123

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    that price is stupid high
     

  19. A thousand bucks for a 4K 43" monitor? Not really. Giving you seamless, bezel-less views of up to 4 displays?
    Sure, you can toss a bunch of 22" 1920x1080 monitors at that and come out with a lower price, probably even after taking into account specialized monitor mounts.

    But the final presentation isn't as neat and clean.
     
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    i was talking about the abserdly priced 7750
     
  21. Welcome to the mining culture...Also, look at the price of say, 10x of the USB adapters. $60 a pop?
     
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    a 7750 is a $40 card and isnt effected by mining in the slightest. and if youcompare anything to a more unreasonable solution then everything looks reasonable.
     
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    I remember eyeing that card for an Optiplex 755 about 1 year ago or so because it was single slot, but it was near that expensive then, and just not a good gaming card anyway. For this purpose it would be good but still expensive.
     
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    Depending on the computer involved you may have 3x display outputs already from the onboard graphics.

    Match that with a single 6-output AMD card of your choice and you are already up to 9 displays.

    I know that works because that's what I run:

    [​IMG]nine_monitors on Flickr

    This is with a single RX480, MST 1.2 hub, and the onboard Intel HD4600 from my i7-4770K.

    Since you won't be gaming you can drop the card to say a RX 560. You may want to be a bit careful of going too old on the GPU in case you end up in driver hell.

    To go past 9 monitors you can add a second GPU or use DisplayLink USB display adapters. DisplayLink can be a bit laggy, I know this because the 4x monitors on the left are also hooked up to my laptop using 2x USB 3.0 docks w/DisplayLink so I can swap between work and play. Having said that I find the slowness only an issue under extreme circumstances (very high resolution and/or fast updating image like videos). If the monitors are larger than 1080p you may want to avoid DisplayLink.

    What monitors have been chosen for the client? I recommend VA panels for this particular application as they have great viewing angles and are less expensive than IPS. They aren't quite as fast as IPS/TN but for what the client is doing I don't think they will notice. I also recommend DisplayPort monitors if you go with the AMD solution to avoid having a lot of converters.
     
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  25. But a 7750 is quite literally one of the only cards out there with the requisite 6 DVI ports.
     
  26. cdabc123

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  27. 1: If you want to deal with used cards off Scam-Bay.

    2: WHAT "better performance"? It's not going to be gaming. And running desktop and apps isn't particularly resource intensive.
     
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    gosh you cant just accept it. 240 is a horrific deal for that card. not worth 1/6th of that. I supose we can disregard everything and pay 5k for a 750ti but that wouldnt be very smart now would it.
     
  29. No. I didn't say $240 was NOT a horrific deal on an old card.

    The fact is, it's the cheapest available card that can be BOUGHT NEW with 6 mDP connectors. And you can do with 2 cards what can normally be done in three.
    And you can do it without mix-and-match card/monitor interfaces.

    I'm not sure why you're hammering so hard on the "It's not a KILLER DEAL." angle.
    I know this. And I was fairly sure I indicated I knew this earlier in the thread.
    I just DON'T CARE.

    If you're building new for someone with this kind of specialty requirement, BUY NEW.
    Fewer problems in the long run.

    We operating on the same wavelength now?
     
  30. thebufenator

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    Even that NVS810 is a weaksauce gpu that costs+$600. Paying for outputs costs money.
     
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    My first comment claimed it was a horrible deal and nothing else. You then argued that it wasnt...
     
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    It's not a horrible deal though. Anything with that many outputs costs money.
     
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    Many gpus can support 6 monitors it just gets fuzzy with exactly what port and connections you can use.
     
  34. Sure, the card isn't cheap. But you're trying to set up a highly specialized system with as few pain points, compromises and Dongle Jungle as possible.

    If that means buying a card that's weak by modern gaming standards, just because the basic tech is old, at a marked up price, SO BE IT.

    I didn't argue that it you weren't going to get ass-raped on price.

    My basic point is, IT IS IRRELEVANT.

    You are not paying for a S00P3R G@MING C@RD! You're paying for a specialty card that has 6 mDP connectors.

    And you're buying it NEW IN BOX because if something fails, you can hold VisionTek's feet to the fire for a working replacement.

    Good luck doing that with the ScamBay special.

    Oh yes, and if you had actually BOTHERED to look on ScamBay, you'd have noted that supposedly working cards with 4-6 mDP connections were going for "new or worse" pricing.

    Here's the same 7750.

    Here's a Quadro.




    And see where I quoted about Dongle Jungle and keeping the build as straightforward as possible.
    Otherwise you're fucking with port converters, or expensive (and squirrely) DP hubs or running certain monitors on different connectors.

    A $1000 GTX 1080 will support 4 monitors natively. Beyond that? Dongle Jungle.

    A $1000 Radeon Vega 64 will support 4 monitors natively. Beyond that? Dongle Jungle.



    So tell me again about horrible deals?

    Basically you get:

    2 cards: $480
    12 Mini-DP to DP cables
    3 monitors.
    Zero extra crap on the desktop.

    And it JUST WORKS.

    The only splurge? A label marker. So you can mark DP ports on the monitors 1-12 and mark the #1, #6, #7 and #12 DP ports on the vidcards. Just in case you ever have to move the system.
     
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  35. pendragon1

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    this seems like the simplest solution and I totally agree with you point about using new parts for a paying client, especially a day trader.