Toyota Unveils Guardian System That Can Make Decisions on the Fly to Avoid Accidents

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  1. cageymaru

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    Gill Pratt of Toyota unveiled the Toyota Research Institute (TRI) new Guardian technology at CES 2019. This life saving AI technology can make decisions on the fly to avoid accidents. It amplifies human ability by assisting the elderly and young to drive more safely. For example if it detects that an accident is likely to occur to the right of it on a 3 lane highway, the "Altruistic Guardian" machine learning algorithm will make a decision to speed up and create more space for the encroaching car to get in. If a car pulls out from a line of parked cars to the right of the Toyota, it will check for vehicles in the lane to the left of it. If it detects that the left lane is open, it will automatically swerve out of the way by using the empty left lane to avoid an accident. If a person is driving through a tight area such as cones on a test track, the Toyota Guardian system will assist the turning of the steering wheel to avoid all cones. By collaborating with the driver to keep the car within safe operating conditions, the AI becomes an extension of the driver.

    TRI is developing two different automated driving modes in parallel -- Guardian and Chauffeur -- which gives drivers a choice. Guardian mode uses technology to constantly monitor the human's driving task, intervening only when necessary to protect the vehicle from a potential crash. In Chauffeur mode, the technology takes all responsibility for driving and vehicle occupants are strictly passengers. The underlying technology for both modes is the same, and it further forges the collaboration between human and machine.
     
  2. MrDeaf

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    But what happens when the driver does the opposite of what the computer thinks is best, because they don't think the computer is correct?
    i.e. the driver thinks the measuring instruments are faulty
     
  3. DukenukemX

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    I've never seen anything like that. Musk, you seen anything like that?

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  4. guitarslingerchris

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    If I'm driving a car then any AI that isn't assisting me, the driver, in doing what I am trying to do then it can fuck right off of any vehicle I touch. If the car wants to make driving decisions it can be the driver.
     
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    Can it keep me from pulling into Taco Bell and blowing $30 on food I don't need and shouldn't be eating?
     
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  6. Divide Overflow

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    You're not driving anymore. You're suggesting input and letting the AI decide what it wants to implement.
     
  7. Galvin

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    So this is just a more advance version of the cars that will stop or swerve to avoid hitting something
     
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    Cold dead hands, and stuff.
     
  9. nutzo

    nutzo [H]ardness Supreme

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    So will it recognize someone with a gun trying to carjack me and run over them to protect me?
    Or will it stop and wait while they shoot me and then steal the car?
     
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    This is what happens.



    This was a prototype and a long time ago.
     
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  11. MrDeaf

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    yeah, but this car isn't for you.
    It's for the old and senile drivers who actually should have their driving licenses revoked.
    They can't tell they are going down the wrong way on a freeway.
    They have poor eye hand coordination.
    They run over things and not notice.

    Come to think of it, people who text and drive fit the description too.

    So, it's for people who are just awful drivers.

    If I remember that one correctly, there was a problem with the engines not ramping up in time when the test pilot noticed a problem.
    That was like 25~30 years ago...?
    I'm pretty sure autopilot technology has come a long way since then.
     
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  12. socK

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    Guessing it wins out. At least from what I've read on our car, if automatic braking kicks in, even if you floor the pedal at that point, it can ignore the request to prevent you from plowing into whatever obstacle.

    I drove a couple states with a bunch of goodies like adaptive cruise control and it was so effortless I was considering turning it off because I was getting sleepy. Didn't have to touch the gas or brake for a huge chunk of the trip, barely had to touch the wheel.
     
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    When an accident isn't avoided, whose fault will it be?
     
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    30 dollars at Taco Bell? Are you feeding a family of 8?!
     
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    I can't wait until the first AI decides that it's driver is a non driving douche canoe and drives into a wall.
     
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    You know they are going to find some way to make these self driving things ad driven. Prepare your butthole.
     
  17. BSmith

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    I just wish Toyota would fix their cruise control following so it did not brake every time you go into a turn that has a guardrail or retaining wall in front of you. If they cannot get that right,..then what the hell are they thinking with this?
     
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    How do you know they didn't fix it? Or do you expect them to fix it on the car you drive?
     
  19. YeuEmMaiMai

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    negative, pilot was too low, too slow, and in the wrong configuration. 100% pilot error... all to show off. Jet engines are not like cars where throttle response is instant for the most part.
     
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    Dude..this the internet. If it is digital or digitized and it exists...it can be used as evidence and facts regardless of legitimacy or relevancy to current standards. The issue with that crash wasn't that it happened...it was how Airbus responded to it. Airbus has a really bad habit of not listening to feedback provided by pilots to improve their systems until AFTER something terrible happens. If you go back to the other famous airbus crash where the pitot tubes iced causing bad-valid data be provided to the pilot thus killing everyone on-board....yeah, that, as a possible issue was reported several times to airbus and it was not acted upon.
     
  21. 1Nocturnal101

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    There is a button to turn it off on the steering wheel and its probably Locked to specific speeds, I ended up buying a C-HR 2018 model, they already have lane assist that prevents drifting from the lane without a turn signal present(Its limited and activated over 38MPH), blind spot monitoring, automatic colli. avoidance braking and human avoidance braking, Its all electric steering with computer assistance already. Its saved me from an accident 3-4 times already, believe me when I say Tri-state(South East PA(Philly)/NJ/NY) area drivers are absolutely terrible drivers, If they could learn to merge into 1 lane without causing a 20 mile backup it would be amazing.

    My main issue with all this tech is it relies on people buying and maintaining Brake and Tire systems to within a tolerance; otherwise, its self defeating, the car will try to maneuver or act and the mechanical portion of the system will fail...………..I mean come on we see how people take care of their vehicles, I have seen so many Audi, BMW, and Mercedes bought used that ended up a nightmare because the original owner never got proper maintenance done ruining the car
     
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    You are aware most Commercial planes fly themselves these days, Pilots depending on model only really have to babysit the system.

    We already use a system called ACARRS(planes talk to each other) that prevents in air collisions on autopilot, in a dicey situation the pilot needs to take control but there are several stages of warning before the system can't choose and needs to default to the pilot.

    The only reason why there will never be an auton. commercial plane is because passengers aren't comfortable having a person behind the yoke and won't buy the tickets no matter how cheap they are, airlines have already sampled to see if this is viable.
     
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    I find this funny. Because we would not need this tech or any other tech to make drivers safe. It's simple get rid of cell phones and be aware of your surroundings, check your mirrors use your head and drive. Look down the road not just 2 feet in front of the next car. I have been driving for 30 years and I see it everyday people when it comes to driving now a days are lazy. Never check mirrors, never use turn signals, always on cell phone. Seriously I think there should be a road test each time you renew you licence these days.
     
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    On a side note, These days I find truckers have more driving skills then cars. They at least signal when changing lanes and also keep right except to pass.
     
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    The problem exists on the Wife's new car, we just bought, as well as a 2 year old rental I had.

    Yes, I would expect safety issues to be addressed in all these AI systems manufacturers are deploying. You don't?
     
  26. YeuEmMaiMai

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    read the accident report, it backs up my position....
     
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    That's no answer to my question.

    OK, ok, I let you off the hook, you don't know whether they're fixed it or not. And you don't know if the system they showcase here has anything to do with toyota's radar assisted cruise control that they've been fitting in cars for at least 10 years.
     
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    Given the manufacturing date of her car as being 11//2018, I think it is safe to assume they have not fixed it yet. If they have, no one at any dealership repair center is aware of it. It was one of my first questions when we bought it.

    I do not know if it is part of this new system, but given the track record of not fixing that flaw, I have no confidence the new system would be flaw free. Afterall, this bug has existed for years.

    Look, you want to roll the dice with your life, then go for it. It's not my cup of tea.
     
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  29. alxlwson

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