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7im and Bruce do not represent this team, nor to they speak for this team. Quite frankly, who follows them?
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Since when Bruce became reps for PG and 7im became reps for folders? Who approved that?
Adak wants to be a rep for all teams. He is going to get a list together to present to PG.
Who approved that?
I don't mean to sound negative but you guys need to talk directly to decision makers, not proxies...
No one "approved" it. I am trying to help resolve a problem.
Do you believe we should NOT make a list of suggestions, and give it to PG? Just gripe about it, and do nothing?
Because I can show you posts in the FF of our same problem, from years ago. They made no difference whatsoever. Without taking some action, there will be no change from PG. Sad to say it, but it's historically been accurate.
If we want to talk directly to PG, we need to be working together, and do it through a spokesman. As individuals, we have not been able to communicate directly with PG, ever. Please correct me if that is not the case. Either we work together - united - or we shut up and forget about it.
What would you propose we do to improve the situation?
No one "approved" it. I am trying to help resolve a problem.
Do you believe we should NOT make a list of suggestions, and give it to PG? Just gripe about it, and do nothing?
Because I can show you posts in the FF of our same problem, from years ago. They made no difference whatsoever. Without taking some action, there will be no change from PG. Sad to say it, but it's historically been accurate.
If we want to talk directly to PG, we need to be working together, and do it through a spokesman. As individuals, we have not been able to communicate directly with PG, ever. Please correct me if that is not the case. Either we work together - united - or we shut up and forget about it.
What would you propose we do to improve the situation?
Did you ever hear from PG?
It's been 2 weeks since I PM Dr. Kasson without it being opened and it will probably be another 2 years before I delete the unopened PM to him.
I'm trying to figure out how Adak is going to get it into the right hands.
First, I'm keeping Bruce in the loop, and requesting he deliver the list to Vijay/PG, shortly after it's finished, on January 7th. On Jan. 10th, I will post the list on the thread in FF.orion said:I'm trying to figure out how Adak is going to get it into the right hands.
Without a united group of folders supporting it, that won't work. I'm going to have the list delivered to Vijay. He may refuse to open it, or not respond to an email. In that case, it will be delivered to him, personally. He may still ignore it.
In which case I'll know it's time to consider switching to WCG and/or other projects.(certainly not Rosetta!). This increase doesn't affect me, my 4P has 64 cores (4 x 6272), but the lack of meaningful communication, will show me that FAH is probably not the project I want to support further. I've made no final decision on this yet.
No one "approved" it. I am trying to help resolve a problem.
Do you believe we should NOT make a list of suggestions, and give it to PG? Just gripe about it, and do nothing?
Because I can show you posts in the FF of our same problem, from years ago. They made no difference whatsoever. Without taking some action, there will be no change from PG. Sad to say it, but it's historically been accurate.
If we want to talk directly to PG, we need to be working together, and do it through a spokesman. As individuals, we have not been able to communicate directly with PG, ever. Please correct me if that is not the case. Either we work together - united - or we shut up and forget about it.
What would you propose we do to improve the situation?
I will sleep on it and write it up in the morning.
How do you know if someone has not already been in contact with Kasson and VJ?
We are waiting to hear from them directly, People have already been in contact with them.
Unless you know them personally, why will they answer you first?
sbinh said:He will wait for Bruce and 7im to solve the problem.
I'm not trying to be answered first. I'm trying to work something out so the problem is fixed for both PG members, and BA folders. I want to support Dr. Kasson's work, and FAH moving into larger projects, but making THREE changes to the BA threshold in a single year is simply no good, when the folders who are affected, are reduced to the very low points in current SMP folding.
Antagonizing so many good folders like Nathan_P, is just wrong! If we work with FAH, I know we can do better!
That's all I'm interested in.
I believe it's time we worked with PG and etc, and solve the problem.
My point is if we have a rep, that rep should be voted on. Not just some one say I will rep every folder. Does every folder want you to rep them? Have you asked or are you appointing yourself?
Maybe they are waiting to hire a go between the folders and PG before they answer us.
Like I said if they haven't answered by now............Bill, how will we all vote on a rep? How will all the teams running BA's be represented? Adak is doing the next best thing.
tear has offered to help PG but they haven't responded to his offer.
As far as PG hiring a PR person that's great but I'm afraid that they may invoke the "soon" protocol and for all that knows what "soon" means to PG on the FF...don't hold your breath.
Like I said if they haven't answered by now............
I think Tear or Grandpa are good choices.
Then Adak has to go the EVGA forum (2nd largest team)and let them know he is their rep to PG. And that he wants their input too. He has not done so as of yet.
I think they will respond to one of two things.
1: We show them we are willing to help them if they have a special need. (fold smp backlog) When asked the folders will be willing to help. The 'Honey" method
2: Their response has been "No one asked you to buy hardware to use for FAH only"
ok then everyone shuts down all the hardware they bought for FAH only and see how much folding really gets done. Only fold on your gaming system when it is on and not gaming. The "united workers" (donors) work slowdown/strike.
I do not want to see PG hurt, we are volunteer donors spending real money and are not bottomless pits full of cash to spend on hardware as PG sees fit..
I am almost to the point I do not care any more. Drama Drama Drama.
No Drama crunching.
texinga, HaloJones, mkd777, tear, Viper97, Bill1024, sbinh, k1wi, Rattledagger, sbinh, Xavier Zepherious, powerarmour, agrikk, GrandPa_01, craigyas, ChristianVirtual, orion, Nathan_P, and Napoleon.
Because we know from years of experience, that PG doesn't give a rat's patootie, about working with individual folders - and if they won't communicate with the likes of tear or GrandPa, then they surely won't work with you or me - as individuals. We also know that trying to work through the FF mods, as a channel to get to PG, is a waste of time.
My G34 4P is also getting more SMP wu's. I would speculate that they have a backlog of SMP work units, and were forced to give them to the BA rigs, in order to keep the SMP project, moving forward as it should.
The points for the SMP projects, are not attracting enough SMP folders, currently.
PG is testing to check your reaction .... kakaka