Time for me to dump Mint, thinking about going back to Windows

Deadjasper

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You are entirely without understanding, in my opinion, when it comes to the Ubuntu DE. If you want Windows, then use Windows, simple as that. You really have no understanding of the availability of the GNome and other DE's that you can choose to use or basically, if I am not using Windows, I am not wanting it to look like Windows, either.



And way is that, because you preferred a windows type start menu or something? I am so glad I have never tied myself down to just one OS DE or interface and that is why I enjoy computers and OSes. Basically, you would have probably hated the Amiga OS and OS/2 as well, since it was different from Windows.

I like what I like and really don't give a dam who likes it or not. You use what you want to use and I'll do the same. Don't criticize someone else's choices just because you don't like them.
 

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I like what I like and really don't give a dam who likes it or not. You use what you want to use and I'll do the same. Don't criticize someone else's choices just because you don't like them.

If I choose to criticize, that is my choice, take is as constructive or ignore it, that is your choice. But the idea that you can in and straight up say something is horrible, without even having an understanding of the DE itself, is not something that is going to be simply ignored.
 

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I like what I like and really don't give a dam who likes it or not. You use what you want to use and I'll do the same. Don't criticize someone else's choices just because you don't like them.
The irony here is that Linux is all about choice! But don't you dare have a choice that clashes with someone who thinks their choice is king!
 

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You do realise people can not like a fucking distro without the underlying reason being "it isn't windows", right? You're the toxic asshole that kills new Linux users.

If someone does not like something, that is fine but this was far above and beyond not liking something. Ain't nothing toxic about seeing it as I see it, I honestly think you guys do not have a solid understanding of the Ubuntu DE, other than it does not have a start menu, like the others might.
 

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If someone does not like something, that is fine but this was far above and beyond not liking something. Ain't nothing toxic about seeing it as I see it, I honestly think you guys do not have a solid understanding of the Ubuntu DE, other than it does not have a start menu, like the others might.
It does have a start menu...

Have you used it before? Because you sound uneducated on the topic.
 

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The irony here is that Linux is all about choice! But don't you dare have a choice that clashes with someone who thinks their choice is king!

If someone comes in here and chooses to rage about it sucking and not really having any basis for that, because of a lack of understanding of that particular DE, I doubt people are going to ignore that. Oh well, good luck, you may need it.
 

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It does have a start menu...

Have you used it before? Because you sound uneducated on the topic.

Ubuntu DE does not have a start menu because the Gnome interface does not have one. KDE is the one with that Start menu like interface and to be honest, I do not like the newest versions, although I have tried it multiple times. It breaks to easily in even the most basic of way and I just do not like that.
 

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I downloaded and installed a Linux Mint Cinnamon iso to VM. During the installation I chose auto-login which worked as expected after installation. Then I went to the menu, type "login" to get this screen, under "Users" I removed my Username and Delay from the auto login section and rebooted. I was presented a login screen on the next boot. Try that.


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Installed the Cinnamon desktop on Ubuntu. Gonna play with it some tomorrow and decide if I want to keep it or not. Does anyone know if Kodi runs equally well on all distros or just the Ubuntu based ones?
 

Deadjasper

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I downloaded and installed a Linux Mint Cinnamon iso to VM. During the installation I chose auto-login which worked as expected after installation. Then I went to the menu, type "login" to get this screen, under "Users" I removed my Username and Delay from the auto login section and rebooted. I was presented a login screen on the next boot. Try that.


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Yea, removing the user name turned out to be the key.
 

ManofGod

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Installed the Cinnamon desktop on Ubuntu. Gonna play with it some tomorrow and decide if I want to keep it or not. Does anyone know if Kodi runs equally well on all distros or just the Ubuntu based ones?

Why didn't you try installing KUbuntu instead, since it is a KDE interface like Cinimmon?
 

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Installed the Cinnamon desktop on Ubuntu. Gonna play with it some tomorrow and decide if I want to keep it or not. Does anyone know if Kodi runs equally well on all distros or just the Ubuntu based ones?
Unless the package maintainer messes up, no reason it should run different.
 

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I downloaded and installed a Linux Mint Cinnamon iso to VM. During the installation I chose auto-login which worked as expected after installation. Then I went to the menu, type "login" to get this screen, under "Users" I removed my Username and Delay from the auto login section and rebooted. I was presented a login screen on the next boot. Try that.


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I tried this on one of my headless Mint 20 DC hosts and it still logs in automatically...
 

FSCDiablo

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I don't normally run headless system, maybe I can try to duplicate. What programs are you using to remote in with on both ends? Is that software passing login credentials automatically? Thinking out loud.
 

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I don't normally run headless system, maybe I can try to duplicate. What programs are you using to remote in with on both ends? Is that software passing login credentials automatically? Thinking out loud.
I use Anydesk. It does not automatically login afaik, since it doesn't have the user password. Connection from the host is necessarily automated. Anydesk has its own password for unattended connections which is different than the user login.
 

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Just loaded Ubuntu. Haven't looked at it in some time. JGDDFC, what a gawd aweful desktop environment. Makes Windows 10 look sweet. What the hell were they thinking? All their users were toddlers just off the short bus? Gonna try a few alternatives but already not liking the attempts to force you to set up your on line accounts, allow the OS to phone home etc. If I was OK with these I'd still be using Windows. I'll give it a chance but this first date sucked. (n)
Try Ubuntu Mate. The default Gnome desktop is horrible.
 

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You can't say that, ManofGod said. You just don't understand Linux that's all. When you do, you won't feel that way!

That is not what I said and you damn well now that. I straight up balked against the fact that you guys do not understand the GNome DE and instead, bashed and flailed about with it. Considering I have used Linux since Slackware in 1996 and also used Endeavour and Manjaro...... Yeah well, emotional reactions never where logicial.
 

auntjemima

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That is not what I said and you damn well now that. I straight up balked against the fact that you guys do not understand the GNome DE and instead, bashed and flailed about with it. Considering I have used Linux since Slackware in 1996 and also used Endeavour and Manjaro...... Yeah well, emotional reactions never where logicial.
He said he installed stock Ubuntu and thought it was horrible. You berated him insisting he thought it terrible because he "wants windows". Then in comes boonie who says THE SAME THING, that Ubuntu stock is HORRIBLE (his words).

So, boonie says it's horrible, no biggie, he's a Linux user. A rando things it's horrible and he must want windows.
 

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He said he installed stock Ubuntu and thought it was horrible. You berated him insisting he thought it terrible because he "wants windows". Then in comes boonie who says THE SAME THING, that Ubuntu stock is HORRIBLE (his words).

So, boonie says it's horrible, no biggie, he's a Linux user. A rando things it's horrible and he must want windows.

He went far beyond saying it was simple horrible and I still think he does not have an understanding of that DE. I have the same issues with folks when they have the same attitudes with Windows or other OSes, as my post history proves. In fact, I objectively dislike KDE because it is easy to break, such as when a theme is simply applied.

Edit: Also, I have no idea if bonnie says it is horrible, since I usually end up with him on ignore, because of his attitude towards Windows.
 

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I have no desire to understand something I think sucks. I ignore it and move on. Nothing you say will change my mind. Get over it.
 

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I have no desire to understand something I think sucks. I ignore it and move on. Nothing you say will change my mind. Get over it.

Well then, I think that you are limiting what you can know about Linux but hey, did you use Kubuntu?
 

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I have no desire to understand something I think sucks. I ignore it and move on. Nothing you say will change my mind. Get over it.
Your loss. Ubuntu happens to be one of the best distros. You're basically saying that you let your emotions go ahead of your reasoning.
 

Deadjasper

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Your loss. Ubuntu happens to be one of the best distros. You're basically saying that you let your emotions go ahead of your reasoning.

I was referring to the default Ubuntu desktop. I replaced it with Cinnamon and all is well for now. The new projector arrives today and I'll be putting it all together. Not sure about Kodi yet, may keep looking.
 

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I was referring to the default Ubuntu desktop. I replaced it with Cinnamon and all is well for now. The new projector arrives today and I'll be putting it all together. Not sure about Kodi yet, may keep looking.

Well then, your issue is with GNome and not the default Ubuntu desktop but, it is still best to understand something, regardless. I do not hate any of the interfaces nor OSes, at all but, I have a preference that works really well and without issues. (For me, that is GNome, although I did not like it as much back in the 2000's) Rage quit things is not helpful to anyone, let alone the person using the software.
 
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I generally try to avoid the Debian-based distributions when I'm messing with Linux. Generally RHEL is the most stable and reliable, but if you're using Linux at home you don't want to pay for that. CentOS was a lot of people's go-to for that reason, but they recently killed that. So I've actually found myself using Oracle Linux in situations that would have called for CentOS until recently. The great thing about using Oracle Linux at home is that you gain experience with something that's very close to RHEL, and a lot of what you learn transfers to that if you ever have to use RHEL at work. Oracle Linux is also a fairly convenient companion to use alongside Oracle Solaris and OpenIndiana, which is a consideration for me that wouldn't be for a lot of other people.

That said, Linux is not a replacement for Windows in my opinion, especially if you're a gamer or you use Microsoft Office. That doesn't mean it's not worth learning about or keeping on hand, but unless you mostly do programming or server stuff, there is a good chance you'll find yourself missing Windows or feeling like you have to struggle to get around issues that don't exist with Windows. Though supposedly if you can get Windows working in a VM in Linux and pass through your GPU, you can get the best of both worlds, and just have the VM restart everytime Windows updates rather than the whole computer.
 
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ManofGod

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I generally try to avoid the Debian-based distributions when I'm messing with Linux. Generally RHEL is the most stable and reliable, but if you're using Linux at home you don't want to pay for that. CentOS was a lot of people's go-to for that reason, but they recently killed that. So I've actually found myself using Oracle Linux in situations that would have called for CentOS until recently. The great thing about using Oracle Linux at home is that you gain experience with something that's very close to RHEL, and a lot of what you learn transfers to that if you ever have to use RHEL at work. Oracle Linux is also a fairly convenient companion to use alongside Oracle Solaris and OpenIndiana, which is a consideration for me that wouldn't be for a lot of other people.

That said, Linux is not a replacement for Windows in my opinion, especially if you're a gamer or you use Microsoft Office. That doesn't mean it's not worth learning about or keeping on hand, but unless you mostly do programming or server stuff, there is a good chance you'll find yourself missing Windows or feeling like you have to struggle to get around issues that don't exist with Windows. Though supposedly if you can get Windows working in a VM in Linux and pass through your GPU, you can get the best of both worlds, and just have the VM restart everytime Windows updates rather than the whole computer.

In my opinion, you should never use something as a replacement for something else, whether it be an operating system or not. Linux Desktop has it's strengths and two of those are local privacy and security. I use it as my daily driver on all my personal machines and have Windows only for gaming on 2 of my personal machines. I do not preach that someone should use Linux, of course but for me, I am using it exclusively for objective, factual reasoning that will not change. In fact, the only game I play right now, that I cannot get running under Linux, is Red Dead Redemption 2 but otherwise, everything else I am playing at the moment is working pretty well.

As for using RHEL at work but not at home, why would you not use Fedora, which is also based upon RHEL?
 
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That said, Linux is not a replacement for Windows in my opinion, especially if you're a gamer or you use Microsoft Office.
That's subjective. My experience with Pop OS and Manjaro don't leave me feeling that way.

I game daily in linux. As for the office suite, in my line of work I use mostly apps for word, excel, power point, and I have yet to find it lacking. My engineering office has microsoft office and I have had no issue opening it up at home, doing my work and sending them back.

That being said, I don't think I'd ever go full Linux in my house unless MS products get weirder than they are already.
 

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I generally try to avoid the Debian-based distributions when I'm messing with Linux. Generally RHEL is the most stable and reliable, but if you're using Linux at home you don't want to pay for that. CentOS was a lot of people's go-to for that reason, but they recently killed that. So I've actually found myself using Oracle Linux in situations that would have called for CentOS until recently. The great thing about using Oracle Linux at home is that you gain experience with something that's very close to RHEL, and a lot of what you learn transfers to that if you ever have to use RHEL at work. Oracle Linux is also a fairly convenient companion to use alongside Oracle Solaris and OpenIndiana, which is a consideration for me that wouldn't be for a lot of other people.

That said, Linux is not a replacement for Windows in my opinion, especially if you're a gamer or you use Microsoft Office. That doesn't mean it's not worth learning about or keeping on hand, but unless you mostly do programming or server stuff, there is a good chance you'll find yourself missing Windows or feeling like you have to struggle to get around issues that don't exist with Windows. Though supposedly if you can get Windows working in a VM in Linux and pass through your GPU, you can get the best of both worlds, and just have the VM restart everytime Windows updates rather than the whole computer.
I generally try to avoid RPM based distributions when i am deploying linux. Generally Debian is the most stable and reliable, and if you are using linux at home, you still don't have to pay for it. Debian and Ubuntu, and many other DEB based distros, are a lot of peoples go-to for that reason. I use Debian as an Active Directory server via SAMBA4, and nearly all other tasks in my environment use it as the base. With PROXMOX (based on debian) you have a KVM hypervisor that runs a complete VM infrastructure. A lot of what you learn in these systems is a near direct tranfer to production environment. Debian linux, as the root of all things DEB based, is a great platform and if you start there, you will understand the underpinnings of Ubuntu, Mint, and many popular distros.

That said, Linux can be a replacement for windows, even if you are a gamer, or use microsoft office. With options like Steam, and PlayOnLinux (that supports more than just games) installing the windows software that their is not a replacement for, is that much easier. There are also complete guides available for GPU passthrough based on Proxomx as the host. you could then run a windows PC, a OSX pc, a linux PC, and any number of other environments, all with machine level performance.
 

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I installed Manjaro briefly; while it seemed like a nice Linux distro it wasn't working correctly with Steam, which was a prerequisite for me using it (likely all user error). I ended up installing Debian 10 and, until one of my cats decided the 43" TV would work better on the floor than my dresser, had enjoyed that as my daily driver. I'm in the process of adding a new TV (wall-mounted this time), an AVR, new speakers (Philharmonic New AA+ Monitor), and will probably try Manjaro again.

Everyone has likes and dislikes. The great thing about Linux is how many choices are available; if you don't like a particular distro + DE combination, try another DE. Don't like the distro? Try another one. Don't like any distro and/or DE combination? Try another operating system until you find something you like.

Be flexible; be tolerant; be happy. (y)
 

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I installed Manjaro briefly; while it seemed like a nice Linux distro it wasn't working correctly with Steam, which was a prerequisite for me using it (likely all user error). I ended up installing Debian 10 and, until one of my cats decided the 43" TV would work better on the floor than my dresser, had enjoyed that as my daily driver. I'm in the process of adding a new TV (wall-mounted this time), an AVR, new speakers (Philharmonic New AA+ Monitor), and will probably try Manjaro again.

Everyone has likes and dislikes. The great thing about Linux is how many choices are available; if you don't like a particular distro + DE combination, try another DE. Don't like the distro? Try another one. Don't like any distro and/or DE combination? Try another operating system until you find something you like.

Be flexible; be tolerant; be happy. (y)
That's odd for Manjaro. I had no issues in my experience with Steam. It's good you found an alternative to work for you.
 

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I'm still running Ubuntu with the Cinnamon desktop on my HTPC and Linux Mint Cinnamon on my main rig. Gonna leave it as is for now. I'm putting together another box just for playing around with different distros. One thing I don't think I'll ever get used to is the task bar at the top of the screen. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
 

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That's odd for Manjaro. I had no issues in my experience with Steam. It's good you found an alternative to work for you.
While I didn't think so at the time, I'm willing to concede that my Steam issues with Manjaro were PICNIC errors and not Steam + Manjaro errors, which is why I'm willing to give Manjaro a second chance once I get my system set up again.

My move to Debian was for a couple of reasons.

  • I've already used Debian as a server so I'm somewhat familiar with managing it
  • The most common gaming-oriented breakthroughs in Linux nowadays seems to be based on Ubuntu, of which Debian is the upstream source
 
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