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And? Also the longest window between generation release by several years. If you want to forecast that LTD sales will surpass last generation, you're welcome to do so, but who knows if that will happen or not.

Why don't you Google search the terms "conjecture" and "fanboy"?
Several years?? Back here in reality land it was actually a couple days short of a single years difference.

Wii Nov 2006
Wii U November 2012.

PS3 Nov 2006
PS4 Nov 2014

So how in the hell did you manage to get "several years" difference in generations when its not even 1 year?

Perhaps you should google those terms for yourself?
 

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Several years?? Back here in reality land it was actually a couple days short of a single years difference.

Wii Nov 2006
Wii U November 2012.

PS3 Nov 2006
PS4 Nov 2014

So how in the hell did you manage to get "several years" difference in generations when its not even 1 year?

Perhaps you should google those terms for yourself?
It was several years for both Sony and MS. Their last systems came out 8 years prior to this generation. Previous generation xbox/ps had about a 6 year gap.
 

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Wii to Wii U - 6 years
PS3 to PS4 - 8 years
XB360 to XB1 - 9 years

That's going by NA release dates. Pent-up demand. PS3 super popular. Explosion of PS4 sales even with a relatively weak group of games at launch. I don't expect Sony to be able to sustain the numbers for the life of the console. I guess we'll see. All anyone can do is guess and most people are going to push a guess that supports their fanboy fantasies of Console Domination.

I'm not a fanboy. Except for games. I've owned almost every console at one point or another and regret not hanging onto stuff from the 80s and 90s. I picked up a PS4 on launch day and returned it two days later because there were no games I wanted to play. I owned four Xbox 360s over the years and sold them all due to lack of interest in the games available. A lot of the good stuff I could get on my PC or the PS3.

I just don't like fanboy asshats that want Nintendo to die or start making Mario and Zelda games for other systems. If someone doesn't like what Nintendo brings to the table, that's fine. I just don't get or appreciate the need to shit on them.
 
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You keep saying with the exception of the Wii. You can't exclude it. It was their successor to gamecube and it fucking raped the sales of Nintendos previous systems, and the competition. The only reason you choose to exclude it is because it invalidates the point you are trying to make.

I expect Nintendo to make quality games for the Wii U for the next few years; then create a handheld/console hybrid system that will be what everyone has always wanted.
Yes another inconvenient truth for the anti-Nintendo crowd. I have talked to 360 owners who are literally pissed that the Wii out-sold their baby. Many of these people are among the same crowd yelling racial epithets, ethnic slurs, and homophopic hate into their microphones while playing Call of Duty multiplayer.
 

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And? Also the longest window between generation release by several years. If you want to forecast that LTD sales will surpass last generation, you're welcome to do so, but who knows if that will happen or not.

Why don't you Google search the terms "conjecture" and "fanboy"?
I'm not really sure why A, you're calling me a fanboy, and B you don't realize I was responding to a poster who said sales were bad all around. I was simply saying sales for the PS4/XO are better than last gen, so they are not what you would term "disappointing".

You seem to have a lot invested mentally into the Wii U, enough that you get upset and start calling names when presented with data. I suggest a deep breath. :D

I just don't like fanboy asshats that want Nintendo to die or start making Mario and Zelda games for other systems. If someone doesn't like what Nintendo brings to the table, that's fine. I just don't get or appreciate the need to shit on them.
There is a reason people want Nintendo to go 3rd party. It would be nice to avoid having to buy lackluster hardware just to play Nintendo games.
 

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You keep saying with the exception of the Wii. You can't exclude it. It was their successor to gamecube and it fucking raped the sales of Nintendos previous systems, and the competition. The only reason you choose to exclude it is because it invalidates the point you are trying to make.

I expect Nintendo to make quality games for the Wii U for the next few years; then create a handheld/console hybrid system that will be what everyone has always wanted.
Actually I can and will continue to exclude it. It's not like the Nintendo or SNES sold 100 million units, no Nintendo console has ever sold above its predecessor other than the Wii.

Consider the market factors when they released the Wii and how many people actually used it for anything other than MK or Wii Fit. My original Wii was the only console I have ever bought where I played maybe 5 games and possibly had over 50 hours played the entire time I owned it. It's actually the only console I have ever trashed as opposed to trading it in.

I'm not alone with that either, I made a thread a few years back which shared a similar consensus. I'm not downplaying it's success. They knocked it out of the park in sales. But the Wii U is just Nintendo getting back to normal. They have burned through a ton of the Wii profits already.

Besides I never said I didn't count it, I said it was an outlier which is exactly what it is.

NES-61.91m
SNES-49.1m
N64-32.93m
Gamecube-21.74m
Wii-100.9m
Wii U-???

In order to overtake he GameCube they have to sell something like 260k+ a month every month for the next 5 years which isint happening. If it sells around 150k a month that puts it at 15 or 15.5 million LTD. Which is around 8 million less than the GameCube. That's 12 million less with the SNES, about 17 million less with the N64, and about 11 or so million less with GameCube. Averaged out it's about 14 or so million less every generation which again given Wii U @ 150k a month sustained is about around 8 million less.

See where I'm going with this? If it sells 100k a month from now until it's EOL it's historically accurate with trending sales. It's monthly averages is around 100k a month at the moment. Would you seriously consider the Wii an average Nintendo product? I certainly wouldn't.

The Wii was the right product at the right price at the right time. It's the only console I have ever seen that where a lot of people only bought it for one or two games played it for a few months and never touched it again.

That sticks with people, like it or not.
 
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And? Also the longest window between generation release by several years. If you want to forecast that LTD sales will surpass last generation, you're welcome to do so, but who knows if that will happen or not.

Why don't you Google search the terms "conjecture" and "fanboy"?
The PS4 will beat out PS3 sales only because they will eventually get it down to 199.99 and probably 99.99 eventually. I don't think it will surpass PS2 sales unless they keep it around a lot longer than when PS5 comes out for third world countries.

Xbox One probably won't beat 360 sales. It will probably get down to the same price as the PS4 but it's getting a lot more competition from the PS4 this time.

Wii U won't beat anything from last gen.

It just all depends on how long we wait until another round of console releases. It won't go as long as last time, not with general off the shelf parts with a little tweaking done.
 
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Wii to Wii U - 6 years
PS3 to PS4 - 8 years
XB360 to XB1 - 9 years

That's going by NA release dates. Pent-up demand. PS3 super popular. Explosion of PS4 sales even with a relatively weak group of games at launch. I don't expect Sony to be able to sustain the numbers for the life of the console. I guess we'll see. All anyone can do is guess and most people are going to push a guess that supports their fanboy fantasies of Console Domination.

I'm not a fanboy. Except for games. I've owned almost every console at one point or another and regret not hanging onto stuff from the 80s and 90s. I picked up a PS4 on launch day and returned it two days later because there were no games I wanted to play. I owned four Xbox 360s over the years and sold them all due to lack of interest in the games available. A lot of the good stuff I could get on my PC or the PS3.

I just don't like fanboy asshats that want Nintendo to die or start making Mario and Zelda games for other systems. If someone doesn't like what Nintendo brings to the table, that's fine. I just don't get or appreciate the need to shit on them.
I don't see how owning every console made means anything. I've owned every platform made since the Master System / NES, and I'm apparently the worlds biggest Sony fanboy here.

I actually look back at it and regret it, if I wasn't a stupid kid I wouldn't have wasted my summer job money buying shit like the Sega CD, 32x, Nomad, virtual boy, or the Jaguar CD.

The NeoGeo, and cart based Jaguar had their moments but I still never should have wasted my money. Especially on the NeoGeo. I was good with the 3DO, Gex was exclusive for awhile and it had the definitive versions of Need for Speed and iirc Road Rash.

EDIT: I have to have a shout out though to my all time favorite dead handheld. The Lynx and California Games wasted so much free time.
 

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Wii to Wii U - 6 years
PS3 to PS4 - 8 years
XB360 to XB1 - 9 years

That's going by NA release dates. Pent-up demand. PS3 super popular. Explosion of PS4 sales even with a relatively weak group of games at launch. I don't expect Sony to be able to sustain the numbers for the life of the console. I guess we'll see. All anyone can do is guess and most people are going to push a guess that supports their fanboy fantasies of Console Domination.

I'm not a fanboy. Except for games. I've owned almost every console at one point or another and regret not hanging onto stuff from the 80s and 90s. I picked up a PS4 on launch day and returned it two days later because there were no games I wanted to play. I owned four Xbox 360s over the years and sold them all due to lack of interest in the games available. A lot of the good stuff I could get on my PC or the PS3.

I just don't like fanboy asshats that want Nintendo to die or start making Mario and Zelda games for other systems. If someone doesn't like what Nintendo brings to the table, that's fine. I just don't get or appreciate the need to shit on them.
That's not going by na release numbers that's going by numbers you made up in your head.

Once again since you missed it the first time the fucking ps3 launched in the US in November of 2006... Ps4 November of 2013. 7 years. Seven. Not 8, seven years.

You also fucked up the xbox amount too... That's 8 years not 9. 8 years exactly in fact... November 22 2005 - 2013.
 

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That's not going by na release numbers that's going by numbers you made up in your head.

Once again since you missed it the first time the fucking ps3 launched in the US in November of 2006... Ps4 November of 2013. 7 years. Seven. Not 8, seven years.

You also fucked up the xbox amount too... That's 8 years not 9. 8 years exactly in fact... November 22 2005 - 2013.
Yeah, I fail at grade school math. I stand by my point that Sony and Microsoft ran long last generation and people were chomping at the bit for what was next. Bro.

Bottom line is this: regardless of how many Wii U consoles are sold, and how big-mouths shout about it on the Internet, I'm still getting the games I want from Nintendo. Still enjoying the system. You don't matter.
 
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I don't see how owning every console made means anything. I've owned every platform made since the Master System / NES, and I'm apparently the worlds biggest Sony fanboy here.

I actually look back at it and regret it, if I wasn't a stupid kid I wouldn't have wasted my summer job money buying shit like the Sega CD, 32x, Nomad, virtual boy, or the Jaguar CD.

The NeoGeo, and cart based Jaguar had their moments but I still never should have wasted my money. Especially on the NeoGeo. I was good with the 3DO, Gex was exclusive for awhile and it had the definitive versions of Need for Speed and iirc Road Rash.

EDIT: I have to have a shout out though to my all time favorite dead handheld. The Lynx and California Games wasted so much free time.
It means games first, regardless of platform. I know many people who latch onto a console (usually the 360) and start bad-mouthing everything else.

I never owned a Neo Geo. They were expensive and at the point I was pretty wrapped up financially in my Amiga 500 system. Burned up a lot of time on the 3DO.
 

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So my kids are like DYING for me to buy them a WiiU. They want to play mario and mario kart in the worst way possible. I'm still hung up / unreasonably angry over the Wii controller motion controls - I hated the gimmickry of it all, that stupid ass sensor bar that never stayed put, the general inaccuracy of the motion controls, and how Nintendo tainted some otherwise great Wii gaming experiences (cough cough skyward sword no I don't want to swing my sword with my hand please let me press a button).

Anyway, as much as I vowed I wouldn't buy the WiiU because of the continuation of the gimmicky controls - I'm afraid I'll have to eventually cave in because of my kids.

My point is that Nintendo continues to carry a certain amount of magic with their IPs, and that sells systems (regardless if the buyer is grumpy and angry with their hardware). I'm wondering now if in another year this system's sales will pick up. I would have guessed no, but I think I may have been wrong. Nintendo just might sell more of these crappy consoles than the naysayers thought (assuming they keep coming out with the good games).

I just finished posting in the "is the Vita dead" thread, and there's the opposite problem - fantastic hardware, no magic to their games - no games like Mario Kart 8 driving little kids insane, begging mom and dad to buy them the system. That's the magic of Nintendo.
 

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I just finished posting in the "is the Vita dead" thread, and there's the opposite problem - fantastic hardware, no magic to their games - no games like Mario Kart 8 driving little kids insane, begging mom and dad to buy them the system. That's the magic of Nintendo.
Get them one, and enjoy playing it along side them!
 

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Get them one, and enjoy playing it along side them!
Yep, buy it. By your own definition, it's NOT a crappy console. There's magic in the games. If the games look good, play good, and people have fun with them, then... I think it's safe to say two things. It doesn't matter what they're running on, and it can't possibly be crap if people are enjoying it. Who gives even two thirds of a fuck if it's not as powerful as a PS4 or XBOne? The argument is asinine. If you like the games, (or your kids like the games, and come on you know you do too :D ) then it's a good console. Simple as that.
 

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Such a long post for misunderstanding what the topic revolves around. The Wii U won't be dead for at least another 2 years if not 3.

That's great that the Wii U is ahead, but it's going to be surpassed this year and that gap will only widen with time. They had a year head start, put it in context with game releases and sales numbers. Being done is not the same as being dead, if Nintendo pulled support from it this year it would kill their trust.

I even said Nintendo won this E3, that doesn't change the conversation, MK8 selling 2 million means nothing if it doesn't move hardware. Which is why I have been saying if Nintendo sells more than 100k in June it would be a good thing, but even at 100k a month the console would still be struggling to keep up even over the next 4 years let alone the time it would take to overtake GameCube life time sales.

The GameCube still being profitable again doesn't mean much when their consoles are trending worse every single time with the exception of the Wii. Do you expect Nintendo to have their next console sell only 12 million and still be profitable? What about the one following that only sells 8 million? They have burned through 4-5 billion since the launch of the 3DS and Wii U.
Topic not misunderstood in the slightest. I just prefer facts to conjecture...especially bias conjecture. Sure I'll enter the realm of fantasy but I usually do it with the understanding that anything is possible.

So you say 2 million sales doesn't mean anything unless they move consoles.....Well that is exactly what it did moved consoles. A link sure I can provide that.
link this holds true in UK and Japan..


Here is an idea...What if the main thing that sales consoles (or anything for that matter) is image? Like say maybe the PR team at Sony does a better job then the PR team at Microsoft and that is the entire reason PS4 is currently outselling Xbox 1.

What happens if you turn that image around? Like say having a fantastic showing at every public event you go to or releasing games people actually want to play....or god forbid doing both.

What happens when that negative image changes?
What if 100k sales today doesn't mean 100k sales tomorrow?

Use your conjecture abilities.
 

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Ever since i got the Wii-U with Mario Kart 8 i haven't touched my PS4 or XBone, I know things will change later this year with all the juicy games coming out, but the Wii-U has surprised me. Mario 3D World is good too.
 

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I have no idea why you keep spewing this fud. Both the PS4 and XO are out selling the PS3/360 in the same time frame. Sales of this gen are better than last. You really need to check into reality.

PS3 - 10 months - 5.5 million
PS4 - 8 months - 8.1 million

Xbox 360 - 8 months - 3.2 million
Xbox One - 8 months - 4.6 million

You should really do a Google search before making claims like that.
have you even been paying attention to the weekly sales charts? I guess not...but just like everything else you talk about, you fail to deal in facts

the last weekly sales show a separation of roughly 35K units......from ps4 to xbo with wii u in the middle... hardly high demand there... 99,1 68,5 and 64,5 respectively....and of course you conveniently leave out the fact that the PS3 was horribly overpriced....and to some extent the 360 elite
 

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have you even been paying attention to the weekly sales charts? I guess not...but just like everything else you talk about, you fail to deal in facts

the last weekly sales show a separation of roughly 35K units......from ps4 to xbo with wii u in the middle... hardly high demand there... 99,1 68,5 and 64,5 respectively....and of course you conveniently leave out the fact that the PS3 was horribly overpriced....and to some extent the 360 elite
So one week of data means the entire generation is under performing, even though lifetime sales for the same time of availability are much higher than previous gen. The gap is growing and not shrinking as well. This means for the same time frame, the PS4 is picking up pace compared to the PS3.

Yea, I'm not sure you understand business analysis at all.
 

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have you even been paying attention to the weekly sales charts? I guess not...but just like everything else you talk about, you fail to deal in facts

the last weekly sales show a separation of roughly 35K units......from ps4 to xbo with wii u in the middle... hardly high demand there... 99,1 68,5 and 64,5 respectively....and of course you conveniently leave out the fact that the PS3 was horribly overpriced....and to some extent the 360 elite
You're getting weekly sales numbers from VGChartz. The only weekly charts you could go by somewhat is European numbers and they don't show platform numbers. VGChartz tends to do terribly when dealing with large releases. If they sell great in June that's awesome. But lets wait to throw numbers at people as an argumentative slam until we have official numbers not subject to being horribly wrong.

Why do you insist on using VGChartz? When I used that site a few years ago I was laughed off the thread here, then did my research and understood why.
 
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Topic not misunderstood in the slightest. I just prefer facts to conjecture...especially bias conjecture. Sure I'll enter the realm of fantasy but I usually do it with the understanding that anything is possible.

So you say 2 million sales doesn't mean anything unless they move consoles.....Well that is exactly what it did moved consoles. A link sure I can provide that.
link this holds true in UK and Japan..


Here is an idea...What if the main thing that sales consoles (or anything for that matter) is image? Like say maybe the PR team at Sony does a better job then the PR team at Microsoft and that is the entire reason PS4 is currently outselling Xbox 1.

What happens if you turn that image around? Like say having a fantastic showing at every public event you go to or releasing games people actually want to play....or god forbid doing both.

What happens when that negative image changes?
What if 100k sales today doesn't mean 100k sales tomorrow?

Use your conjecture abilities.
That's a lot of what ifs considering their history. You're hoping as opposed to using reasoning. Also see above, they cite VGChartz.
 
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Actually I can and will continue to exclude it. It's not like the Nintendo or SNES sold 100 million units, no Nintendo console has ever sold above its predecessor other than the Wii.
Except the Nintendo DS.
 

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You're getting weekly sales numbers from VGChartz. The only weekly charts you could go by somewhat is European numbers and they don't show platform numbers. VGChartz tends to do terribly when dealing with large releases. If they sell great in June that's awesome. But lets wait to throw numbers at people as an argumentative slam until we have official numbers not subject to being horribly wrong.

Why do you insist on using VGChartz? When I used that site a few years ago I was laughed off the thread here, then did my research and understood why.
because they are weekly updates?

and you were laughed out of this tread for talking out of your rear end and providing absolutely no facts to back up your position
 

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Except the Nintendo DS.
Sure if you want to bring in handhelds. Not that it's the same market or anything. But let's roll with handheld trends;

Gameboy + Gameboy Color - 119 million
Gameboy Advanced - 80 million
Nintendo DS - 154 million
Nintendo 3DS - currently 46 million

See a pattern? The 3DS is not trending anywhere near the DS but it's close to Gameboy Advance levels and they have another 3 years or so to meet that goal.
 

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because they are weekly updates?

and you were laughed out of this tread for talking out of your rear end and providing absolutely no facts to back up your position
Because they aren't. They literally guess until NPD and other official outlets publish numbers. Anyone in this forum could post expected numbers and it would be the equivalent of what they are saying.

No one takes them seriously. Wait for June NPD or official statements from other official sources. Right before it's released screenshot their website and check after official numbers are out. It'll be a different number and more than likely pretty significant.

I'd stop saying I'm not posting facts when that's all I do, especially since you are relying on non official numbers to hammer home a point.
 

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lol I didn't really see the point in 1 or 2 years difference. I didn't want to get into that one. It's sort of irrelevant imo.
Yeah, probably, but irrelevant sort of goes with the general theme of this thread. :cool:
 

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That's a lot of what ifs considering their history. You're hoping as opposed to using reasoning. Also see above, they cite VGChartz.
Reasoning hahaha that is fresh. Based on the sales of the xbox should the xbox 360 been as successful? Based on the PS1 and PS2 sales should the PS3 sold as it did?

You attempt to use data to prove a point for which you can't prove. How does you saying sales are low in the past there for sales will be low in the future any more or less valid then their image is good today and will be better tomorrow.

Did Nintendo have an image/marketing problem at launch?
Did that image/marketing problem reduce sales?
Is that image/marketing problem improving?

If yes on all 3, which it is, does this mean sales will start to improve? Its the logical conclusion isn't it?

Millions of factors play into the sales of a product 1 little unknown factor can make all the difference. Most everything you have said (or have quoted most of your ideas likely aren't your own) is nothing more then opinion formulated on an incomplete picture.
 

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Reasoning hahaha that is fresh. Based on the sales of the xbox should the xbox 360 been as successful? Based on the PS1 and PS2 sales should the PS3 sold as it did?

You attempt to use data to prove a point for which you can't prove. How does you saying sales are low in the past there for sales will be low in the future any more or less valid then their image is good today and will be better tomorrow.

Did Nintendo have an image/marketing problem at launch?
Did that image/marketing problem reduce sales?
Is that image/marketing problem improving?

If yes on all 3, which it is, does this mean sales will start to improve? Its the logical conclusion isn't it?

Millions of factors play into the sales of a product 1 little unknown factor can make all the difference. Most everything you have said (or have quoted most of your ideas likely aren't your own) is nothing more then opinion formulated on an incomplete picture.
You're right millions of factors do play a role and the generational decline in sales has nothing to do with your 3 questions.

Selling more or less every generation doesn't have a much impact at 80 million + sales. There is a large difference between 335 million over 3 generations so far and 267 million over 5 (100 Million of that being the Wii).

53.4 Million x 5 (Nintendo) vs 111 Million x 3 (Sony) vs 52 Million x 2 (MS)

It's not so much the up and down, it's number of units sold relative to the number 0. Nintendo keeps losing breathing room every time they release a console.

Here is a mind bending conclusion you could try and think about.

What if the Wii sold like the Wii U is selling now and wasn't a flash in the pan. Nintendo has burned through billions of dollars (about half) of their Wii and DS profits. Where does that leave Nintendo with their mentality if they had the same financials they did before those systems launched?

Third Party or Bankrupt.

I'm all about the what if's so if you want to continue please feel free to keep commenting and not understanding statistical analysis. I could do the what if game all day, I can say their sales won't be better than the Gamecube and I can say that as a realistic certainty. Their image doesn't have a damn thing to do with overall third party support, console design goals, online presence, anti-west mindset, etc.

Just a few of those million factors you mentioned.
 

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You're right millions of factors do play a role and the generational decline in sales has nothing to do with your 3 questions.

Selling more or less every generation doesn't have a much impact at 80 million + sales. There is a large difference between 335 million over 3 generations so far and 267 million over 5 (100 Million of that being the Wii).

53.4 Million x 5 (Nintendo) vs 111 Million x 3 (Sony) vs 52 Million x 2 (MS)

It's not so much the up and down, it's number of units sold relative to the number 0. Nintendo keeps losing breathing room every time they release a console.

Here is a mind bending conclusion you could try and think about.

What if the Wii sold like the Wii U is selling now and wasn't a flash in the pan. Nintendo has burned through billions of dollars (about half) of their Wii and DS profits. Where does that leave Nintendo with their mentality if they had the same financials they did before those systems launched?

Third Party or Bankrupt.

I'm all about the what if's so if you want to continue please feel free to keep commenting and not understanding statistical analysis. I could do the what if game all day, I can say their sales won't be better than the Gamecube and I can say that as a realistic certainty. Their image doesn't have a damn thing to do with overall third party support, console design goals, online presence, anti-west mindset, etc.

Just a few of those million factors you mentioned.
no you are not all about what if's...you are about half of the what if's. The half that point to the decline of Nintendo. If you were all about what if's you'd acknowledge the potential and unpredictability at hand.

My official job title is Data Scientist I fully understand statistical analysis and the several faulty outcomes it can create. The fact that the Wii exist disproves your entire model. Based on your model the wii should have sold less than the gamecube (which many people like you predicted it would do before it was released due to only relying on numbers). It didn't because of external factors which can be artificially created with marketing in this instance a gimmick wii mote with what caused the explosion. You are choosing to remove the Wii as an outlier because it fits how you want it to fit.

The pre MK8 wii-u sales points to exactly where you are saying it will go and it very well could go that route. But not being a fool I know that Nintendo has enough talent and brand power to pull out if they play their card right....Like dominating E3 and actually getting some great games out the door.

you should do some research in marketing and propaganda then you will see just how potintally pointless your numbers could be....start here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
 

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no you are not all about what if's...you are about half of the what if's. The half that point to the decline of Nintendo. If you were all about what if's you'd acknowledge the potential and unpredictability at hand.

My official job title is Data Scientist I fully understand statistical analysis and the several faulty outcomes it can create. The fact that the Wii exist disproves your entire model. Based on your model the wii should have sold less than the gamecube (which many people like you predicted it would do before it was released due to only relying on numbers). It didn't because of external factors which can be artificially created with marketing in this instance a gimmick wii mote with what caused the explosion. You are choosing to remove the Wii as an outlier because it fits how you want it to fit.

The pre MK8 wii-u sales points to exactly where you are saying it will go and it very well could go that route. But not being a fool I know that Nintendo has enough talent and brand power to pull out if they play their card right....Like dominating E3 and actually getting some great games out the door.

you should do some research in marketing and propaganda then you will see just how potintally pointless your numbers could be....start here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
The Wii doesn't prove or disprove anything. You're assuming that it was a success based solely on Nintendos abilities which is historically wrong. For someone who is a data scientist you should at the very least understand a college freshman level economics curriculum.

You're still using terms like unpredictability to reference some asinine idea that the Wii U could see an explosion in sales numbers. It's still what ifs and nothing points to that as being a fact no matter how many times you choose to cite VGChartz.

You're hoping for a miracle where I simply see reason. There is a gigantic difference there. Someone mentioned religion being my reference for argumentative debate. Perhaps that should be directed in your direction because obviously you only think about the good things that could happen as opposed to way things are.

EDIT: Nintendo didn't dominate E3, they simply won it and for some people it was a toss up depending on play styles. I personally think they won.
 

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The Wii doesn't prove or disprove anything. You're assuming that it was a success based solely on Nintendos abilities which is historically wrong. For someone who is a data scientist you should at the very least understand a college freshman level economics curriculum.

You're still using terms like unpredictability to reference some asinine idea that the Wii U could see an explosion in sales numbers. It's still what ifs and nothing points to that as being a fact no matter how many times you choose to cite VGChartz.

You're hoping for a miracle where I simply see reason. There is a gigantic difference there. Someone mentioned religion being my reference for argumentative debate. Perhaps that should be directed in your direction because obviously you only think about the good things that could happen as opposed to way things are.

EDIT: Nintendo didn't dominate E3, they simply won it and for some people it was a toss up depending on play styles. I personally think they won.
I mentioned religion to describe the way you cling to your ideas using pseudo reasoning to pretend to know what is unknown. You see 1 outcome (your religion) and nothing more.

You're still using terms like predictability to reference some asinine idea that the Wii U could not see an explosion in sales numbers.

I'm not hoping for anything or pretending to know anything I do not know that is your realm. I am simply pointing out you do know what can not be known. 'reasoning' can be used to indicate growth and decline all depending on how you look at it.

Social Trends come before data Trends. I could go on but I'm just about done shitting and typing on my phone is tiresome.
 

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Nintendo has burned through billions of dollars (about half) of their Wii and DS profits. Where does that leave Nintendo with their mentality if they had the same financials they did before those systems launched?

Third Party or Bankrupt.
I think you mean billions of YEN?

Last I saw they could continue burning money, at the current rate, and still have cash in the bank for a 100 years or so? :eek:
 
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I mentioned religion to describe the way you cling to your ideas using pseudo reasoning to pretend to know what is unknown. You see 1 outcome (your religion) and nothing more.

You're still using terms like predictability to reference some asinine idea that the Wii U could not see an explosion in sales numbers.

I'm not hoping for anything or pretending to know anything I do not know that is your realm. I am simply pointing out you do know what can not be known. 'reasoning' can be used to indicate growth and decline all depending on how you look at it.

Social Trends come before data Trends. I could go on but I'm just about done shitting and typing on my phone is tiresome.
There is no reason in religion only miracles and beliefs. Social trends explains the Wii outlier, the next time you goto the bathroom I suggest reading more of the thread and early Wii articles.

It won't see an explosion in sales, I don't need the unknown to tell me everything that is blatantly obvious using economics and numerous other indicators.
 

next-Jin

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[T5K]thrasher;1040932192 said:
I think you mean billions of YEN?

Last I saw they could continue burning money, at the current rate, and still have cash in the bank for a 100 years or so? :eek:
Yea now, reread what I said. Nintendo itself has enough money to release another handheld and console. If the Wii was selling like the Wii U was they would be in a completely different position.
 

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I'm going to bet at page 220 they'll finally admit their mutual attraction for each other, page 231 their sales charts will be replaced with flirty emoticons, and by page 356 they'll officially be a couple.
 

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I'm going to bet at page 220 they'll finally admit their mutual attraction for each other, page 231 their sales charts will be replaced with flirty emoticons, and by page 356 they'll officially be a couple.
:D :D :D
 
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