The Verge Ridiculed for "How We Built a $2000 Custom Gaming PC" Video

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Someone should arrest this guy and the parent company sued for lying to the public.
 

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Meh, someone else can always do it better. Anything that gets people out there an involved in the hobby without doing something outright dangerous is a good thing in my opinion.

9/10ths of the computer building hobby is just getting off your ass and doing it, the other 10% are just style points.
You failed logic 101, right? Or you somehow believe fake it till you make it? Or you are invested in hardware companies and want idiots building them so more products will be sold to replace where they destroyed them? Please elaborate your logic for us, because I hate to break it to you, but knowledge is power, and you are saying just try with no knowledge. Do they let anyone who wants to "get out there" perform brain surgery? Rocket surgery? Please, do tell!
 

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I wonder where the over application of thermal paste technique is coming from.

i have talked to 2 people in the last year one resulted in a service call, in regards to thermal paste.

the one guy was rebuilding a refurb and was confused about the thermal paste on the new oem heatsink and was pretty sure he was supposed to leave that alone and apply more to the cpu. Ala this video.
and he had a hard time under standing that you clean that paste off before applying the third party to the cpu . however he did accept that he could just use the heatsink as is and leave the paste alone and all will be fine. whew. disaster averted.


the other guy not so much. answering some q's from a guy about replacing his failing cpu cooler, we came up on the discussion of thermal paste and i told him to clean the top of the cpu thoroughy and reapply a small bead of rice sized paste to the center and then attach his new cooler. a few hours later i get a call that the machine is not booting so i go out to look at it.

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looking at the motherboard i could see he had applied waaaay to much thermal paste. it was leaking out from between the cooler and the cpu. so i took off the cooler and it looked like he used half the tube of paste on the proc'. what was even worse is that when i removed the cpu to clean it up he had some how manged to get paste on the pins and into the socket !! it honestly looked like he had went to war with the paste, and lost. and to top it all off after it was cleaned up and ready to be put back together he questioned me on how little paste i applied to the cpu and was like 'that sure dont look like enough' . I thought to myself well yeah especially in light of how much you used...


so somewhere out there in the vast wasteland of bad info, incorrect application of thermal paste is being spread. even in the light of an article from several years ago that tested the various methods. and in recent time a video that also tested the methods.

whats even more sad is that the guy in this video was given a thermal paste applicator and he didnt even use it !! oh wait he did he used it to tap the cpu in place into the cpu installer doohickey...
It's like other things in life, someone learns from someone that doesn't know what they are doing and then it goes to spider web from there. The worst is people that argue that they are right and there are four or five other clueless people to make you wrong even though you are right, because "majority wins."
 

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You did watch the video right? My first thought was that is was sarcasm and troll bait. Zip ties are now called tweezers? Yet it was unforced error after unforced error. I'm not going to knock a new builder on cable management but his whole deal on the psu shorting? Those are anti-vibration pads. He talks about shorting the system if the psu touches the metal case then screws in the psu to the metal case with metal screws. He obviously has no idea what he's talking about. Then there is the cpu paste on top of paste because more is better. Then the missing heatsink screw. It goes on and on.

Honestly, he's just lazy in doing his job or someone wrote this for him to make him look like an idiot and he didn't know better because he's lazy.

The best line though, regarding motherboards: "Screw in with confidence but don't screw in too hard...".
It's like lots of things in life, such precision, you know exactly the torque required. Not a single question remains...
 

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It's like other things in life, someone learns from someone that doesn't know what they are doing and then it goes to spider web from there. The worst is people that argue that they are right and there are four or five other clueless people to make you wrong even though you are right, because "majority wins."
There's a lot of tolerance for thermal paste. I saw a video of someone that used none, too little, and way too much. Actually has suprisingly little impact.

I usually do a peasize in the middle, one solid seat and no gaps. Works for me, though I'm sure there's plenty ready to flame over my technique.
 

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Based on this video, I decided to plunge forward with a problem build. See, I have an ATX mobo and an ITX case. Yeah, my bad.

So, based on what I learned about PC building from the pro's on this video, I took a saw and cut off the excess parts of the mobo I wouldn't need and which were keeping it from fitting in the case. Then, and this was the hard part, I used a drill to create holes for the ITX mounting studs.

Now, it fits!
Use this knowledge in all aspects of your life, square peg, round hole, POUND 'ER IN.
 
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There's a lot of tolerance for thermal paste. I saw a video of someone that used none, too little, and way too much. Actually has suprisingly little impact.

I usually do a peasize in the middle, one solid seat and no gaps. Works for me, though I'm sure there's plenty ready to flame over my technique.

I used to use the peasize, until I removed some of the ones I did and saw where there was no paste. I now put a thin even coat with a credit card or such. Works well you might want to try it.

It can vary, depending on the hardware. For GPUs they seem to usually have a lot of paste on there. I have seen CPUs that had too much paste thermal throttle or even shutdown. With the newer CPUs it's not as much of an issue. I've seen debate on this for probably close to 20 years. One thing is true, if you put too much and it oozes on the board, pins, or components, it will cause problems.
 

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I see you lot are jumping on the obvious aspects but there are three bits that really grind my gears

1) Anti-static
View attachment 104337
THIS isn't an anti-static band... that is just some rubber band (support some cause...). There is NO earth bonding connection, no 1M-ohm connection to bleed off in a controlled fashion the charge you have or the objects have
THIS is what is needed...
View attachment 104338

Notice the strap is bonded to the mat and then the mat+strap are bonded to some EARTH point.

At the very least when I am building I always tie the CASE to EARTH and then bond myself to the case. Also leaving parts in their bags as long as possible or on the bag...

2) Wooden table...
Wood does NOT remove the need for an ESD https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/93293/wood-workbench-as-esd-protection/


3) PSU rubber feet...
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They are not there to stop things shorting... They are there for Anti-vibration. The case of the PSU will be at EARTH potential due to
1) screwing into the case
2) your mains lead (assuming you are in a 3prong plug region

so do you really think those rubber feet are there to stop the case being electrically connected to the PSU?
It's like a lot of things in our information age, alway double and even triple check, and sometimes you will see something that is so wrong it's like a what NOT to do video. It's your job to check and make sure the "expurt" is actually correct.
 

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I spent most of the video wondering why they didn't tell us which CPU they used (other than "hex core" that "supports overclocking").

It turns out, you can actually see it in the video:


"Intel Confidential"

The S-Spec code corresponds to an 8700K, which would make sense, but for some reason they are using an engineering sample?
 

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I spent most of the video wondering why they didn't tell us which CPU they used (other than "hex core" that "supports overclocking").

It turns out, you can actually see it in the video:


"Intel Confidential"

The S-Spec code corresponds to an 8700K, which would make sense, but for some reason they are using an engineering sample?


Bruh, you gotta realize that no consumer CPU can handle League of Legends. They had to use a special engineering sample from Intel Skunkworks to hit 120 FPS :eek:
 

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Aside from the numerous mistakes, he could of took the time to do some proper cable management. Anyone with $2000 to burn and sees this embarrassment of a build will quickly walk away.
 

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Aside from the numerous mistakes, he could of took the time to do some proper cable management. Anyone with $2000 to burn and sees this embarrassment of a build will quickly walk away.
That makes sense, and not much in the video did, so essentially look at the video as what not to do. It's the anti-'how to build a PC particle' that destroys the 'how to build a PC particle.'
 

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Someone should arrest this guy and the parent company sued for lying to the public.
I would support a citizen's arrest. Or at the very least, someone take the thermal paste away from this guy. Who was it that told him to add more paste to an already pasted heatsink?
 

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AHHHHHHHHHHH!! That video hurts my brain.
I'm usually a person that can take somewhat annoying things, but listening to more than about 5 seconds of this guys voice it's like fingernails on a chalkboard. He's got some major league sibilance going with those s's. Sorry, have to put volume to lowest possible I can hear. The video is comedy gold otherwise.
 

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stopped watching after he accused builder of improper ram installation. While *most* boards use an A/A B/B setup I've personally had a board or two that was A/B A/B. Also the fact that he's trying to nitpick on PCI lane bandwidth when he's installing a video card that will have no other options other than to use the highest bandwidth lane anyway due to form factor I'd say the real cringe is probably in all the responses calling the verge out.
 
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stopped watching after he accused builder of improper ram installation. While *most* boards use an A/A B/B setup I've personally had a board or two that was A/B A/B. Also the fact that he's trying to nitpick on PCI lane bandwidth when he's installing a video card that will have no other options other than to use the highest bandwidth lane anyway due to form factor I'd say the real cringe is probably in all the responses calling the verge out.

Not "most" boards, damn near ALL OF THEM. I doubt there is any gaming-grade motherboard from the last decade that has a 1-2 or 3-4 dual-channel set up, especially from Intel. I can't even remember that last time I've seen a board that isn't 1-3 or 2-4. Hate to see what the dumbass in the video would have done if handed an enthusiast grade board.
 

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Here is a tip I haven't seen anyone mention; Leave the plastic cover installed on the retention mechanism, DO NOT remove it by hand. Instead, lift the retention clip, install the CPU, then drop the retention clip (with the plastic still installed) on to the CPU, then clamp down and the plastic cover pops off. Once the plastic pops off, you can safely use your grubby mitts to grab it and put it away for safe keeping. I started doing this after one time my cocks for fingers removed the plastic cover then immediately dropped the cover on the socket pins and bent them, this was immediately after receiving the repaired motherboard after an earlier bending incident FML. I did it right in front of the technician who was showing it to me, fuck I felt like a dolt.
 

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stopped watching after he accused builder of improper ram installation. While *most* boards use an A/A B/B setup I've personally had a board or two that was A/B A/B. Also the fact that he's trying to nitpick on PCI lane bandwidth when he's installing a video card that will have no other options other than to use the highest bandwidth lane anyway due to form factor I'd say the real cringe is probably in all the responses calling the verge out.
Yeah guys, the verge did a fantastic job, there is nothing to see here, move along...
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This is supposed to be an educational video, so the advice uttered is not meant for this exact set of components only. So saying it doesn't matter which slot is a mistake. I wish that was the biggest mistake in the video.


Not "most" boards, damn near ALL OF THEM. I doubt there is any gaming-grade motherboard from the last decade that has a 1-2 or 3-4 dual-channel set up, especially from Intel. I can't even remember that last time I've seen a board that isn't 1-3 or 2-4. Hate to see what the dumbass in the video would have done if handed an enthusiast grade board.
I've never seen such a board in my entire life. The only boards that are 1-2 are the ones with only two dimms.

Here is a tip I haven't seen anyone mention; Leave the plastic cover installed on the retention mechanism, DO NOT remove it by hand. Instead, lift the retention clip, install the CPU, then drop the retention clip (with the plastic still installed) on to the CPU, then clamp down and the plastic cover pops off. Once the plastic pops off, you can safely use your grubby mitts to grab it and put it away for safe keeping. I started doing this after one time my cocks for fingers removed the plastic cover then immediately dropped the cover on the socket pins and bent them, this was immediately after receiving the repaired motherboard after an earlier bending incident FML. I did it right in front of the technician who was showing it to me, fuck I felt like a dolt.
So basically what you're saying: Don't do it properly let the cpu pop it out, because you're clumsy?
 

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I might get dinged for this, yes he is terrible at building computers, but I am with him that most youtubers are not journalists.

Definition of journalist
1 a : a person engaged in journalism; especially : a writer or editor for a news medium
b : a writer who aims at a mass audience
2 : a person who keeps a journal

Per Merriam- Webster.


So, yes, anyone who fits "1.B" above is a Journalist.

So by That definition the guy on You tube who eats ghost peppers and chases it with Fireball is a Journalist. He’s documenting the effects of Long term Alcoholism, I suppose.

If that doesn't fit in with some people's notion that you have to have a degree and be employed at a brick and mortar media establishment, well to bad. I guarantee some of those Youtubers make more money than this idiot spreading peanut butter on a CPU.
 
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This is similar to my thinking. Just a hunch, but I get a feeling the guy in the video never built one before and was just reading and following along with a really crappy script
Exactly "tie wraps, wtf are they... must be a spelling mistake, I mean these are geeks that wrote this. Must mean Tweeters"

Everything about this was scripted and executed by someone with no idea except finding the right face for their video. It couldn't have been vetted by anyone who really knows
There's a lot of tolerance for thermal paste. I saw a video of someone that used none, too little, and way too much. Actually has suprisingly little impact.

I usually do a peasize in the middle, one solid seat and no gaps. Works for me, though I'm sure there's plenty ready to flame over my technique.
I would question this.... the statement about no TIM ... The point of the TIM is to fill in the voids between the two mating surfaces

thermal-interface.jpg


Will it work? sure but the thermal resistance will be higher... Now maybe the surface of those instances were "smooth" enough.

This is why I either put a pea blob in the middle and slowly tighten up going around each corner in turn to allow the paste to be squeeze out OR I take a razor and spread it thinly.

Saying that though I am tempted to go for graphite sheet for the next time I change my CPU as this stuff has ridiculously low thermal resistance and is easy to handle PLUS will maximise the heatsink usage due to the x-y characteristics
 

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Exactly "tie wraps, wtf are they... must be a spelling mistake, I mean these are geeks that wrote this. Must mean Tweeters"

Everything about this was scripted and executed by someone with no idea except finding the right face for their video. It couldn't have been vetted by anyone who really knows

I would question this.... the statement about no TIM ... The point of the TIM is to fill in the voids between the two mating surfaces

View attachment 104502

Will it work? sure but the thermal resistance will be higher... Now maybe the surface of those instances were "smooth" enough.

This is why I either put a pea blob in the middle and slowly tighten up going around each corner in turn to allow the paste to be squeeze out OR I take a razor and spread it thinly.

Saying that though I am tempted to go for graphite sheet for the next time I change my CPU as this stuff has ridiculously low thermal resistance and is easy to handle PLUS will maximise the heatsink usage due to the x-y characteristics
I should be clear: Use. Thermal. Paste. No way am I advocating not using it in a generally accepted application method / quantity.

Maybe I don't recall the video correctly - I tried to find it again but can't seem to. Perhaps it was only too little, too much, Goldilocks.

That said, I am of the opinion that the best thermal transfer would be achieved with perfectly machined mating services.
 

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That said, I am of the opinion that the best thermal transfer would be achieved with perfectly machined mating services.
And that is correct. If there was a convenient way to cold weld then you would get an almost ideal interface
 

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Ok I watched the video... I'm 90% certain it's just troll bait - There was editing done, and even someone who knows nothing about building a PC would have caught the whole "tweezers" bit. Same goes for the swiss army knife instead of a screwdriver - there's no reason for that UNLESS they're just trolling people.
 

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Ha this is brilliant. Has to be a troll video. There is SOOOO much wrong with this, it just has to be there to draw viewers to boost rating
Fuck...we are all contributing to it by just watching the shit
 

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Idea for a comparison:

Build one system identical to this, missing screw, single channel memory and all, then compare to a properly built system with the cheapest 2133 mhz in dual channel and a properly cooled i7 8700 (non-k). I bet the 2nd system does better while saving over $100.
 

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everything on the verge should be ridiculed. That site is ran by the thinnest skinned liberals I've ever known. They like to dish out shit, but don't you dare call them out on it. (just like they blocked comments). They actually think their shit smells like roses.

In its defense, The Verge has only recently lost its technology editor.
 

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I just saw yesterday browsing youtube and watched a bunch of tech tubers analyzing the verge video. What is a Verge, never even heard of them. They sound like a bunch of tards, either that or as some of you said they are trolling for traffic. If they are trolling for traffic, wow even worse.

If its a troll video, then Linus Tech Tips got rick rolled?

Either way, we should all notify Capital One basically wasted the money on this crap. Nobody do business with the Verge, and nobody watch their channel. How in the fuck did they get 2.1 Million subscribers. Thats a lot of 12 yr olds.
 
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