The ultimate price gouge

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euskalzabe

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I actually work on my PC and need the GPU. If my 1080TI dies today I'm gonna have to shell out a ton of cash to get a replacement asap. Most of that money will probably end up in a foreign company's bank account. Meanwhile I'm competing with people who are buying them as a luxury good but also with crypto miners, car manufacturers (apparently?), etc.

How is it okay that there's only like 3 manufacturers of silicone and none of them are anywhere inside the United States borders? AMD, Nvidia, Apple, and Intel all out source the silicone manufacturing outside of the country. We are relying on containers moving 8,000 miles across the pacific ocean. Freight is expensive right now. Most of this is all made by one company: TSMC

I must be going insane. I go to forums like this to see what you guys are arguing about and you're debating if it's a luxury item instead of considering maybe the supply chain is FUCKED and we should be focusing on that instead of arguing whether it's needed or not. The government here is fucking irrelevant unless you'd be down for an AMERICAN silicone wafer manufacturer. And I don't mean the small in-house solution at Texas Instruments that doesn't even cover 100% of their needs.
"silicon" not "silicone"
 

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2) Sure, let's pretend I only talked about 7nm nodes, or just about GPUs, and not about chip shortages that are starting to have ramifications in other industries that also use chips of any kind (car industry has already started to suffer, others to follow). This is not just about GPUs, we just happen to talk more about GPUs here because it's a hardware enthusiast forum. I'll restate my previous point: "GPUs are luxury items. Chips are not." Cars are no luxury item. Just you wait until other industries start rising prices due to lack of chips to manufacture, well, anything. The problem is much bigger than GPUs and thus, has implications for social inequality (SI) re: what's available to you, which is not equal to what's available to others (and SI is much more complicated than what people tend to think of: there are historical, societal, legal, cultural, economical, generational, gender and power factors at play).
It is not clear to me how an governmental intervention that stop the user named creator on the newegg marketplace to sell is radeon 6900 more than say $2000,00 USD to an American buyer would help car manufacturer getting more chips too.
 

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How is it okay that there's only like 3 manufacturers of silicone and none of them are anywhere inside the United States borders? AMD, Nvidia, Apple, and Intel all out source the silicone manufacturing outside of the country.
Apple isn't a chip manufacturer, they are fabless just like NVIDIA and AMD. Chips are produced by TSMC, Samsung, GlobalFoundries, etc. And for that matter, TSMC and Samsung both have foundries either in the US, or are currently building/expanding new facilities in the USA.

And actually Intel does not - currently - outsource any of their manufacturing, they manufacture all of their own silicon and they have multiple production facilities in the US.
 

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Apple isn't a chip manufacturer, they are fabless just like NVIDIA and AMD.
Yes, that's what I said. They outsource their production. TSMC announced they were gonna build a foundry in AZ but as of November it was "some time next year". Who knows when you'll be able to buy a fully american built AMD CPU or GPU if ever.
 

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That is a fucking lie. People have died due to getting the vaccine. Those have a special report that has to be reported.

Officials Investigate Physician's Death After COVID Vaccination​


And i am sorry Those may be the reported deaths but that is not the real death count because hospitals were reporting anyone as a covid death to get extra money. I would say take 30% off that number maybe even more.
This isn't a Qanon forum, bud.
 

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If you're talking about the Florida doctor's case, there's 0 proof it was due to vaccination. Source. I don't think there's a definitive conclusion to this case as of yet.

Probably explains our different points of view. I'd hope we can have different points of view? Neither position is inherently better than the other, simply different. A society with a lack of perspectives is doomed to fail.

Actually, my first post was about capitalism, which has given us the current speculative market - you yourself re-quoted me... the word GPU is nowhere present. The 2nd and 3rd time you quoted me, I was talking about more markets than just GPUs. But considering you then characterize my post as adjectives and useless drivel to distract... well, that's as far as our conversation can go, pal. No respect = you get ignored. Peace.

Man, tensions are quite high re: prices. It's OK people, you can disagree and not need to attempt the destruction of other users who think differently than you do. Neither you, nor I, hold the key to solve society's economic ailments. We're just people on a website voicing opinions. Depending how you look at it, we're all winners - or we're all losers.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/he...ccine-death-daniel-thayne-simpson/4380833001/
 

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That is a fucking lie. People have died due to getting the vaccine. Those have a special report that has to be reported.

Officials Investigate Physician's Death After COVID Vaccination​


And i am sorry Those may be the reported deaths but that is not the real death count because hospitals were reporting anyone as a covid death to get extra money. I would say take 30% off that number maybe even more.

Here come the conspiracy theories lolol
 

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Please, the guy was 90. He could have died at any moment (with or without the vaccine). But this is neither the place nor the time.
 

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Wow. The fact that that is in any way legal blows my mind beyond comprehension. There needs to be some sort of limit to capitalism before it devours itself.
people not being able to buy luxury items for budget prices is capitalism devouring itself?

When I cant go fishing, walking, biking, camping or to the grocery store for sane prices i'll complain.

Also if its so easy and cheap to make super high end GPU's why cant we all buy Huawei gpus for our PC's?
 

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Not judging any particular case, but if you vaccinate many 10 of millions of people in a country in which you have 7,500/8,000 natural death every day, if you look for people dying the days after their vaccination you would find many even it if is perfectly save
Sound logic. Wish they would have applied a little to COVID itself.
 

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When I read the original post, I felt my nuts painfully shrink
 
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