**The state of GPU's and their purchasability** This is a rant post, anyone else agree with me AFTER you read this?

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I'm at the point that I may just buy a new freesync monitor along with AMD GPU if it is better than my 1080Ti, IF IT'S AVAILABLE. The NVIDIA shenanigans have left a very bad taste in my mouth.

The great irony is that the new AAA titles (eg: cyberpunk 2077) have no availibility problems but the GPUS need to play them with all graphic options on DO. This makes me NOT want to spend a premium on ANY new AAA title if I can't turn up all the details to max/near max simply because I can't even purchase the GPU to do so. AAA Publishers who wonder why I wait for stuff to fall into the $10 (sometimes $5) or under bin, THIS IS WHY.

Edit: I see these as the 2 options:

Option 1)
Pay $60 for game, support the publisher, turn details down (as I can't get the GPU I want), live through 17 patches to get stuff stable with game

Option 2)
Play AAA games from 3-4 years back with all details up & experience is stable & pay $10 or less for the game.
Obviously software doesn't have as much issue with supply as it's just a digital copy, but the 2077 release date was pushed back and as you said, you'll need to patch anyways because you're paying $60+ to beta test their software for them. I don't typically buy to many games when new, which is why I don't really care to much for RT, etc... I won't be playing them until they are able to run at high + RT on a $200-$300 card and they are ~$15-$20 games. They are still selling plenty of pre-sales and release sales to not worry about the few people who will wait. That said, there have been a few games that I did/have pre-ordered for my kids, but I can count the # of times I've preorded on one hand (that includes me + my kids). I laugh at all these guys like it's a MUST HAVE feature or game... it's just something that you want and it'll be just as fun to play in 6 months as it is now. I don't care if I'm the first or last to play it, some people are just worried they won't get to be one of the first to play.
 

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Obviously software doesn't have as much issue with supply as it's just a digital copy, but the 2077 release date was pushed back and as you said, you'll need to patch anyways because you're paying $60+ to beta test their software for them. I don't typically buy to many games when new, which is why I don't really care to much for RT, etc... I won't be playing them until they are able to run at high + RT on a $200-$300 card and they are ~$15-$20 games. They are still selling plenty of pre-sales and release sales to not worry about the few people who will wait. That said, there have been a few games that I did/have pre-ordered for my kids, but I can count the # of times I've preorded on one hand (that includes me + my kids). I laugh at all these guys like it's a MUST HAVE feature or game... it's just something that you want and it'll be just as fun to play in 6 months as it is now. I don't care if I'm the first or last to play it, some people are just worried they won't get to be one of the first to play.
When I was MUCh younger (20 years ago+) I used to have a group of friends to game with. We'd pick a new title, all buy it & play together -- sometimes daily. If you didn't purchase the title you kinda couldn't play with the group. Those days are LONG gone. However if I buy something new & flashy like a $700-$1500 video card, I want to see all the new AAA titles in their glory, so might just buy some new AAA titles new. Not now due to videocard situation.

Edit: I just did a pre-order yesterday on EGS for Observer: System REdux as I received the previous one free from a weekly giveaway and they had an 80% discount for previous "owners". For $6 ill give it a shot.
 

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When I was MUCh younger (20 years ago+) I used to have a group of friends to game with. We'd pick a new title, all buy it & play together -- sometimes daily. If you didn't purchase the title you kinda couldn't play with the group. Those days are LONG gone. However if I buy something new & flashy like a $700-$1500 video card, I want to see all the new AAA titles in their glory, so might just buy some new AAA titles new. Not now due to videocard situation.

Edit: I just did a pre-order yesterday on EGS for Observer: System REdux as I received the previous one free from a weekly giveaway and they had an 80% discount for previous "owners". For $6 ill give it a shot.
Yeah, nothing wrong with it, just saying that it's not everyone. Everyone has their own priorities with their money. You work for it, you spend it how you like! I'm more likely to jump on minecraft with my daughter than play the newest FPS... considering my sh!t internet where I can't even play online anyways, it's really hard for me to justify. I've got 6 desktops in my house that I try to keep up to date for playing games, so I don't normally spend $1500 on a GPU, but when I do buy a decent card, I just shuffle my old card and some of the other cards around, so it's almost like getting 4-5 upgrades instead of 1 ;).
 

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I’m sitting here in desperate need of a card, looking at an in-stock 2070 Super for $700, and actually thinking about ordering it.... 2020 blows.
 

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Dan D, i know you are a reviewer and have read all your reviews and Brents for jesus.... maybe 10 years or more now. The good ol days of hardOCP.... This industry either needs to meet demand, or not release anything till shit is obtainable... If i remember correctly, several days ago some cold douche bag was trying to sell a 3080/3090 (cant remember which) here in the F/S section for like a 1000$ over msrp... Douches like that should be banned from site and balls cut off. Its like going to hospital, and finding out your health insurance that we pay OOOODLES for every month declines you cause of some reason that you cant control... just pisses me off

The thing you have to understand is that there are two parts to succeeding in any business. There is the product aspect of the business and on the other side, the business aspect. The latter is like a chess game with the strategy not always being obvious to anyone observing from the outside. That's often the point. Releasing something with limited product availability may have been done for investor benefit to avoid having to explain product delays. It's also a strategy for dealing with AMD, which I'm starting to believe will have a more competitive product than they have had in years.

These companies all spy on each other. They reverse engineer each others stuff and rumors are everywhere in the industry. So, the chess game is largely to try and obfuscate what is really going on. EXAMPLE: For all we know, the 3080 is a bit of a smoke screen and NVIDIA is waiting for AMD to drop RX6000 and the day after, they'll drop the 3070 and announce a 3080 Ti. It could be that NVIDIA didn't offer that many 3080's because it's been building stock of 20GB cards and the 3080 10GB models will disappear. This isn't something that's confirmed or that I'd even know about, I'm just throwing that out there as an example of something that could happen even if it is unlikely.

The thing is, again its a chess game. Having a good product is only half the battle. These companies don't want to paper launch. They want to have product to sell because they want our money. But they also have to play the long game. This is something NVIDIA is very good at. When NVIDIA entered the scene, there were a lot of companies making GPU's. S3, 3DFX, Cirrus Logic, Matrox, ATi, and more. Who's left? NVIDIA and ATi after being bought by AMD. Everyone else is gone. That's because the other companies didn't play the game well enough on one or both sides. Sure, some are still around like Matrox, but they aren't a competitor in this market.
 
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If they were smart, they'd of priced the 3080 on release date at ~$1400 and then dropped the price down $100 per week until it was down to MSRP. Early adopters who were willing to pay scalper price with limited supplies get first dibs with the limited supply, keeps scalpers from being able to make a profit (knowing the price will be going down, not up), allows nvidia and retailers to reap the benefits of inflated prices, lowers demand because people KNOW they can wait a few weeks for prices to come down so those that are going to have to wait for scalping to end and stock to stabilize have a clear path to when that will happen, win-win-win :). Of course then people will be mad because someone with more money could get it first and it's not fair, but this is the alternative... you can't afford one from scalpers and are forced to wait anyways.
I can afford 10x cards from scalpers any day of the week, not gonna give them a penny though .
 

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If they were smart, they'd of priced the 3080 on release date at ~$1400 and then dropped the price down $100 per week until it was down to MSRP.

If society was accepting of that logic, but in the past people that tried to kill the scalper market by selling at the market price like that got immense blowback and they would have in this case as well, giant blowback, market confusion, it is not necessarily unsmart to not do it, when you can imagine the press at week 2 and 3 about angry first week buyer and the press announcement on the asked price of the product would have been a nightmare.
 

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I see people crying. Guys / girls / Babies

You know every single release they limit product to drive up hype. Just wait 90 days after release and buy your video card. Its going to be the same every 2 years for the rest of your god damn life.

I do 3d rendering I have a 2080 super. How do you think I feel but I am not out screaming its the end of the world because I can't get my 3080.

Jesus people
 

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This industry either needs to meet demand, or not release anything till shit is obtainable...
This is a fairly unreasonable position. Yeah, you just want what you want and such, but these aren't cheap items. In order to meet this level of demand they would have to have a shit ton of capital tied up in inventory. Right before AMD lunches big navi. Right before next gen consoles hit. Quite possibly doing that in the face of every flavor of competition being able to do 4k gaming good enough for the masses. Sounds like a sensible business plan that couldn't possibly fuck you over /s. There's a reason nvidia is diversifying hard. The long tail of gaming appears to be near.


I don't think manufacturers are artificially limiting supply because they'd be losing money by doing so. It sounds like part of the issue this time around is they only manufactured cards for a few weeks before launch, maybe to try and beat AMD to market?

I do agree it's a shitty situation and I've also lost interest in upgrading my GPU. I'll probably wait until after Christmas at this point. Part of me wishes Nvidia and AMD would build up more stock before launch, but I'm not sure that would completely solve the problem.

I definitely think that prt of the problme was the launch was rushed so that nvidia could put pricing pressure on AMD. However, I think people regularly forget that high performance consumer computing is really bleeding edge stuff. Like literally at the edge of us being able to game physics to get it made. And right now with iphone 12, both consoles, nviida, amd, and now intel looking to contract to non intel fabs for the next die shrink, well there's a lot of people trying to get access to something a reduced number of places can actually do. Plus these are HUGE chips. A good yield for them per wafer would be absolute shit for most of the industry.

This is nothing new. Weeks, months... whatever. Ever try to get a new corvette? How about a GT500? PS3? PS2? Wii?

Getting yourself mad over something that is a want is a waste of energy.

I'm with you, this is not unprecedented. I do think it has been made worse by the sneaker heads haivng turned this process into a market norm and commoditized the tools to engage in it very effectively. I think retailers and suppliers are going to have to take a look at what their business actually is relative to their customer base and take steps to mitigate it in many cases.
 

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When you are told, by Nvidia, available on a given date, expectations given with all the smiles etc. Reviewers get anything they want immediately which actually does influence their take. Then you go to get one and it is utterly BS, there is no availability, one has to F5? Days, weeks, months? Nope, middle finger is more appropriate for Nvidia. Then again it falls on the customer, if one wants to spend hours and hours going to site to site, F5ing => that is their decision. I will probably just move on and see if AMD can do better. The only Ampere card for me that makes sense is the 3090, 20gb 3080 if priced decently maybe. I've already seen and played with 3080 type performance, when available in a game, frankly years ago with 2x 1080Ti's in SLI. It is not like out of this world experience by even going to Ampere.
 
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Much like video games releasing before they are ready, it is clear to me that Nvidia launched the 30-series at least 2 months before they should have, if not 3+ months too soon.

But they wanted to be first to market and with the number of people who want to buy launch cards and don't give a crap about Big Navi, wrong or right, Nvidia got what they wanted...$$$$$
 

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When you are told, by Nvidia, available on a given date, expectations given with all the smiles etc. Reviewers get anything they want immediately which actually does influence their take. Then you go to get one and it is utterly BS, there is no availability, one has to F5? Days, weeks, months? Nope, middle finger is more appropriate for Nvidia. Then again it falls on the customer, if one wants to spend hours and hours going to site to site, F5ing => that is their decision. I will probably just move on and see if AMD can do better. The only Ampere card for me that makes sense is the 3090, 20gb 3080 if priced decently maybe. I've already seen and played with 3080 type performance, when available in a game, frankly years ago with 2x 1080Ti's in SLI. It is not like out of this world experience by even going to Ampere.

yeah well now that 1080ti sli performance, plus raytracing, and more thanks to DLSS is available in a one card solution without the hassle of SLI or the often crap in game artifacts of same. You either find that compelling or you don't. If you have the current gen performance as you say. Great, dont buy a card. No buying a card, no F5 hassle.

But you are bitching about it. So I'm guessing that what you say is not genuine. And no reasonable person would ignore navi if they can't get their hands on a 3080 or 3090. I intheory have one cmoing now, but if I didn't I'd sure be looking at the performance.

FYI, it took me about the same time to score a 3080 FE as it took me to get a 1080 back then after missing out on the first wave of FE cards while making up my mind about taking the plunge.

I recall everyone pissing and moaning about the 2080ti launch as well, plus the free space invaders. People will find stuff to bitch about and pretend that their ire this go round is new and more meaningful than last time.

Also FYI, sitting around with a 1080, I read teh 2080 launch reviews, looked at the prices and where 1080 performance was, and promptly ignored it as not being worth the hassle. Zero stress or regret. I suspect a good chunk of the chaos now is that I was far form the only one doing such a thing and we have all hit an replacement point.
 

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yeah well now that 1080ti sli performance, plus raytracing, and more thanks to DLSS is available in a one card solution without the hassle of SLI or the often crap in game artifacts of same. You either find that compelling or you don't. If you have the current gen performance as you say. Great, dont buy a card. No buying a card, no F5 hassle.

But you are bitching about it. So I'm guessing that what you say is not genuine. And no reasonable person would ignore navi if they can't get their hands on a 3080 or 3090. I intheory have one cmoing now, but if I didn't I'd sure be looking at the performance.

FYI, it took me about the same time to score a 3080 FE as it took me to get a 1080 back then after missing out on the first wave of FE cards while making up my mind about taking the plunge.

I recall everyone pissing and moaning about the 2080ti launch as well, plus the free space invaders. People will find stuff to bitch about and pretend that their ire this go round is new and more meaningful than last time.

Also FYI, sitting around with a 1080, I read teh 2080 launch reviews, looked at the prices and where 1080 performance was, and promptly ignored it as not being worth the hassle. Zero stress or regret. I suspect a good chunk of the chaos now is that I was far form the only one doing such a thing and we have all hit an replacement point.
Actually I am kinda thankful I wasn't able to get a 3080FE 10gb model. Not enough ram for me. Plus AMD performance so far is looking better than many have thought. I am indeed in no hurry in any case. Of course I was not going to spend hours and hours F5 for a Nvidia card, that is stupid or at least I think so.
 

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If society was accepting of that logic, but in the past people that tried to kill the scalper market by selling at the market price like that got immense blowback and they would have in this case as well, giant blowback, market confusion, it is not necessarily unsmart to not do it, when you can imagine the press at week 2 and 3 about angry first week buyer and the press announcement on the asked price of the product would have been a nightmare.
I mean, if you're upfront about it, why would week 1 or 2 buyers be upset? They KNOW they are paying an early access fee. If you didn't tell them the price was coming down they could be upset, but if you tell them the structure and they buy it, they really shouldn't be upset at anyone but themselves for not waiting. Anyways, it was half in jest anyways, but I don't see how that's any different the people paying extra to be the first to see a movie or anything else that has a larger cost to be the first.
 

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I mean, if you're upfront about it, why would week 1 or 2 buyers be upset? They KNOW they are paying an early access fee. If you didn't tell them the price was coming down they could be upset, but if you tell them the structure and they buy it, they really shouldn't be upset at anyone but themselves for not waiting. Anyways, it was half in jest anyways, but I don't see how that's any different the people paying extra to be the first to see a movie or anything else that has a larger cost to be the first.
That a good example, people do not feel like they are paying much of an extra to see a movie first, even if the market could charge them a lot.

The first show of the thursday night ticket are not more expensive than friday night ticket and those are not more expensive than the saturday night tickets, the feeling is more than tuesday is a rebate more than first weekend was an extra, it take a very long time (in movie time) before ticket get any cheaper.

To achieve to charge more to the first that want to see it right away you need to make franchise marathon, or subtlety have only 3D show the first nights, they have to really achieve to moneytise how much people would pay as an extra to see the first Avengers in the first screening time for regular customer and probably for some of the same reason NVidia would not do it here.

It would be hard to communicate all of the logistic and people of the first weeks would complain more if they paid more to have a card that is yet to have solid drivers during those few weeks or got a long time shipping wise, there would be at least a subgroup extra angry about them, but the bigger issue would be the Press release announcement.

A giant part of the 30xx buzz was how much less it would cost people to get a little bit above the latest 2080TI performance, annouce it at an higher price than the 2080TI there is nothing left buzz wise and just blowback and talk about the new NVidia gouging of the FOMO enthusiast crowd.
 
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A giant part of the 30xx buzz was how much less it would cost people to get a little bit above the latest 2080TI performance, annouce it at an higher price than the 2080TI there is nothing left buzz wise and just blowback and talk about the new NVidia gouging of the FOMO enthusiast crowd.

I guess an argument could be made for the 3080 using a 102 die this time, but as far as I am concerned it's the same exact crappy Turing pricing with a $300 increase for the 3090 over the 2080 Ti. They can call it Titan class all they want to pretend it's not that, but look at it. $1500 and 2 SM's disabled and marketing as a gaming card. Pricing this gen is no better than previous.
 

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38 myself, first build was a K6-2 350mhnz back in '99 (The BEST year in PC gaming)

I unsubscribed to all my Youtube "tech" channels, why? Because fuck them! They shouldn't be getting more than ONE GPU to reivew, ONE! 3080, 3090 review DONE, we get the picture.

I'm right there with you OP. Which is why I find myself slipping into SBC's and just playing emulators as of late. The PC market can go fuck itself into oblivion, speaking of oblivion, I might go play that.
 

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The great irony is that the new AAA titles (eg: cyberpunk 2077) have no availibility problems but the GPUS need to play them with all graphic options on DO. This makes me NOT want to spend a premium on ANY new AAA title if I can't turn up all the details to max/near max simply because I can't even purchase the GPU to do so.
When Pascal was released I changed my strategy, precisely because of this: overpriced cards at launch, months to get them at MSRP, and games that ship in a half broken state (remember assassin’s creed unity anyone?).

Since then, I’ve switched to buying $200-300 cards more often instead of $400+ cards less often. They’re way easier to find at their actual price within 6 months of release. Add to that delaying your game purchase schedule about a year, and you get all games perfectly polished and drivers that are very good at rendering them. Now I never pay more than $20 per game! Sites like isthereanydeal make this really easy to track and organize.

I finally played AC odyssey in the past few months on my 1060 3gb and paid $12 for it - ran wonderfully at 1080p. I would’ve loved to run it at 1440p but my gpu is showing its age and the 20 series just wasn’t a compelling upgrade for me so I skipped it. Now I’m waiting to decide between a 3060 or AMD’s equivalent (DLSS is becoming a powerful consideration for me), and I’m looking forward to playing Control in the next few months (games are now being discounted so fast after release, you rarely even have to wait a year... or maybe I’ve just gotten used to it?).

Point is: buy cards 6 months late. Buy games 12 months late. You spend way less money and get a much better experience.
 
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When Pascal was released I changed my strategy, precisely because of this: overpriced cards at launch, months to get them at MSRP, and games that ship in a half broken state (remember assassin’s creed unity anyone?).

Since then, I’ve switched to buying $200-300 cards more often instead of $400+ cards less often. They’re way easier to find at their actual price within 6 months of release. Add to that delaying your game purchase schedule about a year, and you get all games perfectly polished and drivers that are very good at rendering them. Now I never pay more than $20 per game! Sites like isthereanydeal make this really easy to track and organize.

I finally played AC odyssey in the past few months on my 1060 3gb and paid $12 for it - ran wonderfully at 1080p. I would’ve loved to run it at 1440p but my gpu is showing its age and the 20 series just wasn’t a compelling upgrade for me so I skipped it. Now I’m waiting to decide between a 3060 or AMD’s equivalent (DLSS is becoming a powerful consideration for me), and I’m looking forward to playing Control in the next few months (games are now being discounted so fast after release, you rarely even have to wait a year... or maybe I’ve just gotten used to it?).

Point is: buy cards 6 months late. Buy games 12 months late. You spend way less money and get a much better experience.

I'm starting to treat hardware like I do games and software, I get to it when I get to it and usually it's cheaper by then or cheap used. Starting with no desire to move on from 9900k and now feel about the same with GPU's. I have such a backlog of games I usually buy when they are 20-25% of what they were on release if not less. Definitely much cheaper that way and not a hassle to keep up with.
 

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I’m sitting here in desperate need of a card, looking at an in-stock 2070 Super for $700, and actually thinking about ordering it.... 2020 blows.

I got all bent around by the hype train of this card... But after a month I've come to realize that I don't need the card until I have a monitor that needs its horsepower. Still running on a 1920x1200.

Industry isn't yet selling the monitors for the cards. (well, except for high Hz 27s at 1440). If you want a 32 inch 4k ips w/120 (+)... It's not for sale.

Those panels are Q1 2021. By then the 20gb 3080s will be offered and we will all know about Big Navi.

Join me on the sidelines - it's a lot less stressful
 

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TIN FOIL hat thought.... they really want you to subscribe to their streaming game services!! They have so the gpu’s in their data centers!!

no more hardware. evil wankers!
 
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Agree that it's a mess and a complete turn-off to the point that I lost the upgrade bug for now and not seriously looking to upgrade. Agree that they could do something about the bots and scalpers taking up the stock, but don't, with the exception of EVGA. Shame on all others for not providing a solution to their potential customers.

Overall left a bad taste for sure and over it for now.

I agree. Regarding bots, i would love to thing vendors (besides EVGA and now gigabyte with their signup for the very limited 3080 Aorus Extreme) care, but honestly they dont. Sale to them regardless of bot or human is money to their bottom line. I would like to purchase now, but eventually there will be lots of stock. It just sucks that bots end up getting them and it sells 2x the MSRP.
 

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I've bought a few bits of hardware at launch.
Phenom II, Radeon 7850, GTX 1060, Ryzen 1700. Many consoles, phones, etc.

I, frankly, have dealt with a whole hell of a lot of bugs and annoyances because of it. Every time, except for Nintendo consoles, I basically regret it. Launch hardware sucks.
I have, however, been successful at getting all of these launches at MSRP. I've never scalped any of them. I used to wait in lines for console launches.

I was gonna buy the 3080 at launch this time if it was available, and frankly, I'm glad that I'm being forced to wait a bit - I *don't* need the performance right at this very moment and I was able to spend the money on something that's already proven more useful -

A fucking gorgeous 4k 75inch TV that... just launched and has a software sound syncing issue with my surround sound setup that's supposed to be fixed with an update.

*Womp womp sound.*

Anyway, the launch of the 3000 series was one of the worst handled launches I've ever seen.
 

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I've been through a few of Nvidia's launches in the past, where they would hold GeForce LAN events to promo and launch their hardware live. Although this 30XX series is definitely one of the worst, this launch came as no surprise either.

Nvidia set up a great mind game for us though, by making sure to beat AMD's launch date knowing that demand would outweigh supply for months, generating insane amounts of anticipation by delaying the reviews until the day before release with nearly every reviewer praising it's performance, then finally releasing these cards on their store without even implementing some of the most basic requirements to prevent bot related purchases, then letting us sheltered-in-place consumers marinate on our frustration from not being able to obtain a card.

But here I am, still waiting for stock to replenish. Sigh.
 

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The point of a corporation is extract maximum profit.

Time and time again, it has been shown that there are substantial amounts of people who would pay 50% more for 10% more performance for the top end card. The first example being the GeForce 2 Ultra ($500 in year 2000). Tech companies are just playing around with performance/price. Would people pay 100% more for 10% more performance (e.g. RTX 3090)? Answer is yes.
 

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I showed up for the very first time for the RTX 3080 launch to see how things went down. I almost NEVER buy stuff the day of launch. I skipped the 2080 Ti RTX cards because they cost so much more for not that much more performance than my STRIX 1080ti. Somehow I got sucked in this time. I had a few good weeks and saved a spot of cash to buy a new card weeks before launch. I really wanted the 3090 anyway but the 3080 debacle just left me stunned. I almost felt like it was a challenge of sorts to get one and one F'ing way or another I had skillz to make it so. LOL Well after much research and butthurtness the 3090 launched a week later with the exact same results. I put my name on the list at eVGA the moment 3090s launched. Yesterday I got an email from them saying I could buy the one I wanted. It only took like a month but still..... It took me a week after launch day to see all the time I wasting and for what? My existing card was fine. My existing system is fine. What sort of hysteria had triggered me so this time? I think it was all the reviews and information I was taking in on so VERY many review sites... but something Steve at Gamers Nexus said sort of put it all in perspective. It's just a video card. It's not food and water. It will be okay. I feel pretty foolish in hindsight given all the mental energy I wasted. I got on with my life in the meantime, spent the money on something else last week and low and behold a week later I bought one. It will arrive tomorrow. Still....it's just a video card. It doesn't make me a better person or improve my quality of life. I buy more electronics and gadgets than anyone has a right to... literally something every few days. I'm not sure how long this "fix" will last before I start obssessing about the Zen 3 based Threadrippers next. I probably need help. G-nite.
 

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Games are released in beta and then fixed later, now hardware is released in beta and fixed later.

Day one buyers get power, graphical and performance issues. Staying a generation behind is always the best solution. You get the best at the tail-end of the generation, optimized drivers and full performance.

As a community we should slow down our upgrade cycle. When new stuff is released, it should take weeks for us to consider it until the drivers are proven and the features promised mean something.
The lack of RTX games should have made the 2000 series a flop, but we bought it anyway. I bought my 2060S four months ago and I plan to wait until I know which side released the better product.
I'm really considering a cheap 2080Ti or 2080S. Gaming at 144Hz, RTX doesn't mean a damn thing since I'm always turning down settings for 144fps lows.

Nvidia knows we buy new cards on impulse so they will continue to raise prices and fudge performance numbers.
 

Aegir

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In the age of Machine Learning, the idea of using the public as beta testers makes sense.

Once Nvidia looks into their GPU usage analytics on a mass scale, they'll know about all sorts of bugs and optimizations that they might never think of. For example, that black screen issue. All new cards that will be produced after that will most certainly contain a fix, perhaps even on the hardware level.

The simple fact is simply that being able to observe the entirety of things can help induce optimization.
The only issue is that Nvidia probably should have told us first, instead of generating false hype.

For the 3080, I even lined up at a computer store, and had breakfast there. I ate a steak, scrambled eggs, and a waffle with my bare hands in the parking lot, just to get in line as soon as I could. I ate a STEAK with my bare hands. It was a good steak, but still, it was in a parking lot. And that's while I was F5ing Best Buy and BH and NE on my phone.

And I didn't even get one.

Jensen owes us big time. This is our LIFE. This is all we have now. Games. It's not like we can do dating, bars, restaurants, arcades, or anything else. We have lonely nature walks and gaming. That's it.

The plague is getting worse.
What he's putting us through as plague-stranded socially-distant outcasts is simply inhuman.

It's like he's turned into a machine. RTX Jensen Ti.
 
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Honestly, as soon as I found out none of the HDMI 2.1 TVs even work with G-Sync properly at 4k/120hz I lost all interest.

Get it right or get the fuck out of my life.
 
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FrgMstr

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In the age of Machine Learning, the idea of using the public as beta testers makes sense.

Once Nvidia looks into their GPU usage analytics on a mass scale, they'll know about all sorts of bugs and optimizations that they might never think of. For example, that black screen issue. All new cards that will be produced after that will most certainly contain a fix, perhaps even on the hardware level.

The simple fact is simply that being able to observe the entirety of things can help induce optimization.
The only issue is that Nvidia probably should have told us first, instead of generating false hype.

For the 3080, I even lined up at a computer store, and had breakfast there. I ate a steak, scrambled eggs, and a waffle with my bare hands in the parking lot, just to get in line as soon as I could. I ate a STEAK with my bare hands. It was a good steak, but still, it was in a parking lot. And that's while I was F5ing Best Buy and BH and NE on my phone.

And I didn't even get one.

Jensen owes us big time. This is our LIFE. This is all we have now. Games. It's not like we can do dating, bars, restaurants, arcades, or anything else. We have lonely nature walks and gaming. That's it.

The plague is getting worse.
What he's putting us through as plague-stranded socially-distant outcasts is simply inhuman.

It's like he's turned into a machine. RTX Jensen Ti.
Post of the week candidate!
 
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polonyc2

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Jensen owes us big time. This is our LIFE. This is all we have now. Games. It's not like we can do dating, bars, restaurants, arcades, or anything else. We have lonely nature walks and gaming. That's it.

The plague is getting worse.
What he's putting us through as plague-stranded socially-distant outcasts is simply inhuman.

It's like he's turned into a machine. RTX Jensen Ti.

he was honest about it a few weeks back when he stated that cards realistically won't be available in large numbers until early 2021...but everyone keeps thinking that they'll be the exception...
 

Denpepe

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Games are released in beta and then fixed later, now hardware is released in beta and fixed later.

Day one buyers get power, graphical and performance issues. Staying a generation behind is always the best solution. You get the best at the tail-end of the generation, optimized drivers and full performance.

As a community we should slow down our upgrade cycle. When new stuff is released, it should take weeks for us to consider it until the drivers are proven and the features promised mean something.
The lack of RTX games should have made the 2000 series a flop, but we bought it anyway. I bought my 2060S four months ago and I plan to wait until I know which side released the better product.
I'm really considering a cheap 2080Ti or 2080S. Gaming at 144Hz, RTX doesn't mean a damn thing since I'm always turning down settings for 144fps lows.

Nvidia knows we buy new cards on impulse so they will continue to raise prices and fudge performance numbers.

RTX 2xxx series was a flop and only gained traction due to the human malware when everyone and their dog all of a sudden wanted a gaming PC, and even those cards were a pain to get when they launched.

And if noone buys new hardware day one, the issues will just get ported back to when mass adoption occurs, no company can test for issues with all hardware that currently is out there. See the X570 Gigabyte motherbooard thread where the mobo randomly stops working once every 2 months orso, it's such a freak issue that Gigabyte does not even consider it an issue.
 

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I really enjoy watching a lot of the new hardware coverage and staying up to date on what is coming out, recently released etc... By extension of this, I do admittedly watch a lot of the content posted regularly on YouTube. I don't have a tendency to buy computer hardware every year by any means, but I like to see the new stuff and how it performs etc.

Where I get frustrated is when I am actually interested in upgrading and I see extensive coverage of stuff and I make decisions about what I would like to buy and then... I look into buying it, checking pricing etc. and it is no where to be seen.

I have literally put off upgrading for multiple generations due to lack of availability anywhere close to launch. The problem is that there is always something better on the horizon, so for example I was quite interested in the 3950x when it launched, but it was unavailable for months, then Threadripper 3970x came along and was very exciting, same thing no stock for months whether that be MOBOs or CPU it's self, then Intel launches the 10900k which for strictly gaming was compelling when it first launched... You guessed it, the 10900k has been perpetually out of stock since release in March. I believe I caught it briefly in stock at my local store once for a few minutes...

A certain amount of enthusiast purchasing has to do with hype of the new "best" thing. It isn't always about value as dumb as that sounds. These paper launches really take the wind out of the sales IMHO, at least from my point of view...

As for 3090 release... I was 100% going to pick one up and build a new system around it and put my 2080ti system out in the living room for VR. I'm not sure I am going to bother with that plan after all the BS...

Having said that, I guess the industry saved me some money considering I am still rocking a 5 year old PC with an upgraded GPU that is now 2 years old... I guess I can get a bit longer out of it, but I am still interested in building something that is top of the line to drive my 4k HDR 120hz display for the latest AAA games... We'll see how CyberPunk 2077 goes. I am looking forward to playing that game.
 

Meeho

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Get a life, people. This is peak consumerism. I'm all for modern luxury indulgence, but, seriously, get a grip. Work needs excluded.
 

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Nvidia has been paper launching since the 10 series. This paper launch however is wayyyy worse than the others. My local microcenter in Fairfax has not had a SINGLE card since release day. I check every day multiple times and no cards have shown in stock plus I know a guy that works there and he claims none. It's very frustrating to login to youtube and see those clowns with a stack of cards reviewing benhcmarks when 99.99% of us can't even find one for sale. Joke.
 

DarkSideA8

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Get a life, people. This is peak consumerism. I'm all for modern luxury indulgence, but, seriously, get a grip. Work needs excluded.
You are right, to a degree. The problem is - they 'promised' something (or rather offered it for sale, with the premise that consumers could buy it) - and then failed to deliver. Not so much peak consumerism - but a bait and switch that has people angry.
 
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