The perfect 4K 43” monitor! Soon! Asus XG438Q ROG

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Without FALD or OLED you really can't do even fractional HDR properly and it's marketed as a HDR 600 monitor.
The LG 32UL750-W is HDR 600 and at only $750 it's not going to have FALD (nor is dimming mentioned anywhere on the product page). So it seems FALD is far from a requirement for HDR 600 certification at least.

That said, tftcentral reports that a HDR 1000 version of the panel used in the XG438Q is also on the way, and that could have FALD:

Of other interest is a planned new 43" sized panel based on VA technology. This will be a new panel sector for AUO as sizes for gaming displays start to grow and grow. This will offer Ultra HD 3840 x 2160 resolution with 144Hz refresh rate, and a flat format instead of curved. It was expected to go in to production during Q4 2018. There appears to be two versions of this 43" panel planned, one with VESA Display HDR 600 certification and another with HDR 1000. The latter could well be combined with a FALD backlight given that spec, although this has not been confirmed and is not necessarily required.
 

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Well you are brightening huge sections of the whole screen without FALD or per pixel emissive OLED so it's really not going to do localtized HDR light sources and highlights properly and contrast them with the rest of the scene. which is what HDR is supposed to do.. A 384 - 480 Zone FALD already has small dim or bloom areas around each direct backlit pixel between high contrast material what do you think is going to happen when you try to show 600nit light sources and edge highlights and such dynamically against darker backgrounds on a screen from a handful of edge lit flashlights?

I just hope they aren't going to try to charge too much for this considering the specs and what else is due to come down the line, otherwise it could be fine and a good option. I appreciate the heads up on the hdr 1000 FALD monitor though thanks Sounds interesting :). I really would prefer 43" sizes.
 
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yeah that was an odd one and it was IPS I think. Had a bunch of complaints in reviews of some other issues too. I don't think modern 43" tv style tech will have anything like that, in a hdr 600 FALD VA monitor. The lines between monitors and tvs are blurring now, especially once hdmi 2.1 with VRR, QFT start becoming mainstream and in gpus.

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A few things to look out for in this monitor would be:

-What quality is the overdrive and what is the response time?
Most of the current VA gaming monitors including asus' have black smear even at 120fpsHz's 8.3 ms rate because their overdrive isn't top notch.
The LG32GK850G is the exception there and setting a standard this monitor would have to match or exceed.

-How many backlights are in the FALD array?
This has a big impact on how severe the offset of dim and bloom in surrounding areas are.

-How aggressive is the FALD implementation and does it favor the Dimming side (losing some detail/visibility) or the Bloom side (glowing outside of things).

-How vibrant are the colors (some VA are toned down a bit and benefit from increasing digital vibrancy settings at the cost of color accuracy and/or some lost color detail in fields of a color)

-Is there a sharpness setting in the OSD? (the LG GK850G lacks one and can only use nvidia freestyle sharpness filters in game, not on the desktop).

-How good does the free-sync operate in range and how well does it work with nvidia gpus.

-What is the input lag and are there any "TV" type options you can turn on/off like interpolation, flicker/strobe without bad artifacts or adding large amounts of input lag.

-What is the 4:4:4 chroma limit regarding Hz over dp , with and without HDR enabled and HDR content since there is no HDMI 2.1 support for future gpus.

- What are the contrast ratio and black depths in dynamic FALD mode in SDR and HDR.

- Price obviously,
and as comapred to the dell alienware 55" OLED gaming monitor,
and both price and release date in consideration that by/in the year 2020 we should have HDMI 2.1 tvs with 120hz 4k, VRR, QFT that will compete with this, off hopefully hdmi 2.1 gpus.

The Philips Momentum monitor i mentioned was a VA monitor as well. Also, I don't believe this will be a FALD monitor. Most likely edge lit.
 

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I haven't heard anything.

About that phillips it had reports of bad IR or burn-in for some reason. Also that it wasn't hdcp 2.2 compliant and had reliability issues. Matte screen. I looked into it back then but dismissed it as an option.

From an amazon reviewer:
The burn-in issues are really severe, and Philips is totally aware of the problems, since the first thing you see when powering up the monitor is this warning message: "Use of fixed pattern or static images for more than 30 minutes may result in image burn-in!! Please change image contents regularly."
This makes the monitor useless for everything except gaming and video.
 

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I haven't heard anything.

About that phillips it had reports of bad IR or burn-in for some reason. Also that it wasn't hdcp 2.2 compliant and had reliability issues. Matte screen. I looked into it back then but dismissed it as an option.

From an amazon reviewer:

Could be a problem for games too, as most games have static UI elements on screen while you play.
 

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You are looking at reviews for a different Phillips monitor in regards to burn in. You need to filter for reviews of the 436M6VBPAB.

Anyway, this Asus monitor will probably come Q3 or Q4 now and since there is planned a HDR1000 capable version, it will be pointless to buy for many who want the best version.
Wait. What? There are going to be two versions of the same monitor? That doesn't make any sense. Where did you see there will be a HDR1000 version?
 

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Anyway, this Asus monitor will probably come Q3 or Q4 now and since there is planned a HDR1000 capable version, it will be pointless to buy for many who want the best version.

Wait. What? There are going to be two versions of the same monitor? That doesn't make any sense. Where did you see there will be a HDR1000 version?
I think AngryLobster is referring to the HDR 1000 version of the panel that is supposedly in the works (see my previous post) and making some assumptions based on that. I don't believe there have been any monitors that use it announced yet.
 

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I just wish they would announce the pricing already so I can decide whether or not to continue caring :p
 

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DAMN …. I need this. I was going to get the NVIDIA OMEN BFGD but at $5000 not a chance. Just picked up an X27 4k 144hz for 999.99 but might have to upgrade when this beast comes out.
 

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Are you blind? The reviews regarding burn in are for "Size: 43 InchStyle: UHD IPS" which is the 4 year old BDM4350UC notorious for image retention.

The Philips and this Asus are VA.

In his defense though, and it's been a while, but I believe that the 40" model previous to that one (BDM4065UC) had similar reports about image retention/burn-in. And it used a VA panel. I personally don't have a lot of faith in Philips monitors after reading about those two displays.

This one might very well be fine, but I wouldn't want to be an early adopter.
 

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" You need to filter for reviews of the 436M6VBPAB."


The reviews were all under: "https://www.amazon.com/ Philips-436M6VBPAB-DisplayHDR1000-MultiView-DisplayPort/ dp/B07D5S3QCS/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

and the burn in ones are dated 2016. That is the one I had remembered avoiding. If they switched panels and kept the same model number as the link for mixing in all the reviews, fine. Amazon does tend to dump all reviews together unfortunately, sometimes even for different products altogether.

The tftcentral review of the VA model mentioned good contrast with a small 32 zone array, but also mentioned bad text
" The main issue was with the clarity of text, where the unusual pixel structure caused fringing and blurring to appear from close range. The static dithering-like artefacts visible close up on some colours was also annoying. The basically useless sRGB preset mode (with factory calibration) was also frustrating. Having said that, the default setup of the screen was decent, static contrast ratio was very high and the resolution was at least usable without scaling on a screen this size. We just didn't find it comfortable for desktop use day to day due to the text clarity and the sheer size of the screen to be honest."

I was not insinuating that this new AUO panel would be like that one with burn in reports at all, I was just trying to remember what was wrong with the prior one I had remembered being released. I'm looking forward to seeing what is going to become available in new 43" 4k models for sure.
 
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" You need to filter for reviews of the 436M6VBPAB."


The reviews were all under: "https://www.amazon.com/ Philips-436M6VBPAB-DisplayHDR1000-MultiView-DisplayPort/ dp/B07D5S3QCS/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

and the burn in ones are dated 2016. That is the one I had remembered avoiding. If they switched panels and kept the same model number as the link for mixing in all the reviews, fine. Amazon does tend to dump all reviews together unfortunately, sometimes even for different products altogether.

The tftcentral review of the VA model mentioned good contrast with a small 32 zone array, but also mentioned bad text
" The main issue was with the clarity of text, where the unusual pixel structure caused fringing and blurring to appear from close range. The static dithering-like artefacts visible close up on some colours was also annoying. The basically useless sRGB preset mode (with factory calibration) was also frustrating. Having said that, the default setup of the screen was decent, static contrast ratio was very high and the resolution was at least usable without scaling on a screen this size. We just didn't find it comfortable for desktop use day to day due to the text clarity and the sheer size of the screen to be honest."

I was not insinuating that this new AUO panel would be like that one with burn in reports at all, I was just trying to remember what was wrong with the prior one I had remembered being released. I'm looking forward to seeing what is going to become available in new 43" 4k models for sure.
It's Amazon putting multiple products that they deem "similar" on the same product page, which also makes reviews for every individual product on that page consolidated which is why you have to use the filters. The old one was using a completely different panel. The one we're talking about doesn't suffer from burn in, but does have picture issues due to the way the pixel matrix operates.

This is the one we're talking about:
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Notice the buttons under "Style." If you click on "UHD IPS" you will see the one the review about burn in was referring to.
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Yes that's the one I was remembering vaguely but I didn't know the model number by heart and didn't even realize there was a VA one released at first (and dumped into the same parent review link). It's too bad the VA one also had a problem (pixel structure issue).

Hoping the new 43" AUO hdr600 and hdr1000 ones will be good in 2019 - 2020. I prefer VA contrast ratio and black depth to ips and TN so that's a good start.
 
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Yes that's the one I was remembering vaguely but I didn't know the model number by heart and didn't even realize there was a VA one released at first (and dumped into the same parent review link). It's too bad the VA one also had a problem (pixel structure issue).

Hoping the new 43" AUO hdr600 and hdr1000 ones will be good in 2019 - 2020. I prefer VA contrast ratio and black depth to ips and TN so that's a good start.
The VA version looks pretty damn good... save for the $1000+ price. :eek:

What's the pixel structure problem?
 

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The VA version looks pretty damn good... save for the $1000+ price. :eek:

What's the pixel structure problem?
It uses static dithering. Basically the subpixels are split in half vertically, and both halves are often not illumnated equally, causing and apparent "checkerboard" problem across the screen. There is also fringing around dark elements, where the subpixels surrounding darker areas are illuminated more than the other subpixels. This exacerbates the static dithering issue.

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I guess it's fine if you use it for its intended purpose, which is console gaming according to Philips. But it's going to be very noticeable if you sit closer than 3 feet away from it. I sit about 3 feet away from my 49" TV, so I could imagine sitting closer to this.
 

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4k 43" is 102.46ppi. I wouldn't call that high. That's in the range for a pretty traditional standard desktop PPI.

At an adequate distance to view most of it, it's about the same perceived ppi to your perspective as 1440p 27". I've. had both at my desk until a fe days ago.
 

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At an adequate distance to view most of it, it's about the same perceived ppi to your perspective as 1440p 27". I've. had both at my desk until a fe days ago.

What about when using DPI scaling? I've got a 27" 1440p display and sometimes use DPI scaling because I like the bigger and smoother text rendering. I've only tried a 4K 43" display in store but on that I felt that when DPI scaling was in use the resolution helped give better text rendering than I get on my current screen. My ideal screen would probably somewhere in the 34-38" size but fat chance of anyone ever making one with 4K 16:9 resolution so I'm planning to go for the XG438Q when it is released.
 

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At an adequate distance to view most of it, it's about the same perceived ppi to your perspective as 1440p 27". I've. had both at my desk until a fe days ago.

I view all of it just fine at a standard ~2ft desktop distance, and it's a 48" screen :p

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It uses static dithering. Basically the subpixels are split in half vertically, and both halves are often not illumnated equally, causing and apparent "checkerboard" problem across the screen. There is also fringing around dark elements, where the subpixels surrounding darker areas are illuminated more than the other subpixels. This exacerbates the static dithering issue.

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I guess it's fine if you use it for its intended purpose, which is console gaming according to Philips. But it's going to be very noticeable if you sit closer than 3 feet away from it. I sit about 3 feet away from my 49" TV, so I could imagine sitting closer to this.
I see it clearly, now. That "screen door" effect would drive me nuts, especially for $1000. (n)
 

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Seems the same to me since the perceived ppi is the same at the minimum adequate viewing distance. I keep windows 10 scaling at 100% and use nosquint addon for chrome to scale individual web sites if necessary (usually down on jumbo text sites more than anything and to change bgcolor). I also use directory opus file manager with tabs in dual pane mode with no directory tree column. Directory Opus allows font selection, colors, bg color, highlight color customization etc. and it also allows me to change the text size of the active tab on the fly with ctrl + mouse wheel up/down.
 
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I view all of it just fine at a standard ~2ft desktop distance :p

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you couldn't t even fit it all in the camera viewfinder lol.. but whatever works for you. I have one at 2.5' atm though that seems to be similar perceived ppi to a 27" 1440p.

Since I now have two 43" and a 32" in the middle im going to drop back a bit further in a few days - which is only going to increase the perceived ppi.

Hoping for one of the upcoming high hz 43" models in the middle by end of 2019 or in 2020 depending.

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you couldn't t even fit it all in the camera viewfinder lol.. but whatever works for you. I have one at 2.5' atm though tgat seems to be similar perceived ppi to a 27" 1440p.

Sorry, I reused a picture from that keyboard and mouse thread.

Here's a better one:
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Old keyboard and amp though...
 
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i like it but id add another desk thing in front of that for a bit more room. personal preference. . Mine are on giant arms though so i can move them around if i ever want to.

I've been floating back another half foot or foot to 3' on occasion - leaning my headrest and armrest chair back with an xbox controller playing dark souls 3 lately and it feels like a good distance to utilize all of my monitors better. I'm going to install a flat black adjustable height desk surface overlapping my existing one sometime over the next few days to see how i like the extra space and distance. I'll post a pic whenever i get that set up.
 
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you couldn't t even fit it all in the camera viewfinder lol.. but whatever works for you. I have one at 2.5' atm though that seems to be similar perceived ppi to a 27" 1440p.

Since I now have two 43" and a 32" in the middle im going to drop back a bit further in a few days - which is only going to increase the perceived ppi.

Hoping for one of the upcoming high hz 43" models in the middle by end of 2019 or in 2020 depending.

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i like it but id add another desk thing in front of that for a bit more room. personal preference. . Mine are on giant arms though so i can move them around if i ever want to.

A lot of people say things like that when they see pictures of my setup. In reality though there is plenty of space. I think the sheer size of the thing throws off the scale a little bit.

I like sitting at normal desktop distances with a large screen. The screen almost completely fills up my peripheral vision and really adds to the immersion.

I've been floating back another half foot or foot to 3' on occasion - leaning my headrest and armrest chair back with an xbox controller playing dark souls 3 lately and it feels like a good distance to utilize all of my monitors better. I'm going to install a flat black adjustable height desk surface overlapping my existing one sometime over the next few days to see how i like the extra space and distance. I'll post a pic whenever i get that set up.

Ahh, I'm a 100% Keyboard & Mouse user. Haven't had a controller of any kind since the 80's :p

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Yeah that's still way too close for my liking personally. My nose would almost be touching the character's butt perspective wise (ok slight exaggeration).

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Dark souls 3 is one game that benefits from a gamepad a lot and that's what I've been playing lately. You can play it with keyboard and mouse but you probably won't do as well and without fatigue. You can spin with a gamepad on a point among other things. It's not easy to do that reliably with a keyboard and mouse repeatedly without macroing it. You can circle strafe or roll your mouse with high sensitivity but that's not what I'm talking about. Anyway it's a very challenging game and a gamepad is way more suitable on it for a lot of reasons. Some platformers are also much more applicable to a gamepad. The physics just applies better for some games.

I used to be a keyboard and mouse snob too. I've been a keyboard and mouse user since doom dialup days and when it's a game that benefits from keyboard and mouse more I'm definitely on keyboard and mouse.

I use a sideboard half keyboard with mx red mech keys.. with a few custom replaced key assignment sets just for games. I keep it in line with the left arm of my chair. I use the bottom 9 num keys on a naga mouse primarily in line with my right chair arm as well, or a logitech Proteus for simpler games. I even have a usb foot pedal which was a lot of fun when I had a set of boots with a stomp AOE ability in Grim Dawn. lol.

There's no reason that you can't use a keyboard and mouse at any distance from your pc (other than room size)
At my couch I have a couchmaster lap desk so that I can use a keyboard and mouse on my tv when I want to.. so I really like keyboard and mouse where it's preferable game wise.

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I'll stop now , really sidetracking thread.

The prior point referencing my use of a gamepad at what became a further distance was mostly to say that in doing so, I am finding the 3' or so a good (better) distance for a 43" in my experience.

Can't wait until both the hdr600 and hdr1000 versions of these 43" VAs are out so I can compare features and prices and finally have all the same size and rez monitors in my array.
 
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Dark souls 3 is one game that benefits from a gamepad a lot and that's what I've been playing lately. You can play it with keyboard and mouse but you probably won't do as well and without fatigue. You can spin with a gamepad on a point among other things. It's not easy to do that reliably with a keyboard and mouse repeatedly without macroing it. You can circle strafe or roll your mouse with high sensitivity but that's not what I'm talking about. Anyway it's a very challenging game and a gamepad is way more suitable on it for a lot of reasons. Some platformers are also much more applicable to a gamepad. The physics just applies better for some games.

Definitely. I play most non-first person shooters nowadays with the Steam Controller or DualShock 4 if dual analog sticks are needed. Gyro aim has given me the best of both worlds with analog movement and still having accurate aiming. Only issue is some games don't support simultaneous mouse and gamepad.
 

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I play pretty much only single-player games, and the Xbox controller is the best for me.

It's kind of a pain using the keyboard when you have to use your pinky to press the control key or do any kind of complex maneuvering (for example, in Mirror's Edge running up a wall, quick turning around, and then jumping to another ledge, much easier with a gamepad).

The only way I will play with mouse/keyboard is for online shooters (which I don't play much anymore) or for old games that don't have good gamepad support.
 

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you couldn't t even fit it all in the camera viewfinder lol.. but whatever works for you. I have one at 2.5' atm though that seems to be similar perceived ppi to a 27" 1440p.

Since I now have two 43" and a 32" in the middle im going to drop back a bit further in a few days - which is only going to increase the perceived ppi.

Hoping for one of the upcoming high hz 43" models in the middle by end of 2019 or in 2020 depending.

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Awesome setup , thanks for the pic you put here. I currently have three BenQ 3200U 4k monitors (one in middle for gaming , other two hooked to another rig for work/misc ) and was considering taking one to my office and putting a 43" in the middle. Your pic gives me an idea of real life size difference am looking at.

For 100% purely gaming , 60hz fine as am used to it as long its 4k , dont really care about HDR atm , would you recommend your model for the 43" or another?

(or anyone else looking for recommendations , nothing bigger than 43 as that's the absolute max would deal with.)
 

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I'm patiently :nailbiting: waiting for the price and hands on YouTube reviews on this Asus 4K 43"
 

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With that price, I am 99% certain it is edge lit.
DP 1.4 can run HDR 10-bit 4K@144 Hz at 4:2:2 chroma. This is the settings the 27" 4K 144 Hz monitors launched last year top out at.
Good to know thanks.
Well at least it doesn't look gaudy with gamer and RGB bling everywhere. And at a reasonable size and price.That said, I'm not even looking at monitors until they come with HDMI 2.1, which won't be until we have graphics cards that come with HDMI 2.1.And reaching 100% DCI-P3 coverage.This industry as a whole needs a kick in the ass.
Overall HDMI 2.1 is only bringing the slimmest of improvements over DP 1.4, plus we'd have to wait for new cards. I can see waiting but it's going to be a while for the full card+display HDMI 2.1 chain.
I think the bigger difference could potentially be that TVs are higher volume and could squeeze in more tech under the HDMI 2.1 umbrella than monitors, e.g. if companies release FALD IPS TVs w/ HDMI 2.1 support (including optional VRR features) and at a reasonable size (e.g. 43") then they'd make great monitors.

It is VA.
I thought it might be. At close range, I'd take a FALD IPS for monitor use over a VA, but hopefully this is a decent compromise.
 

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It’s pretty much what we expected.

I don’t understand why they bother to put speakers at all in a display like this as most of us use our own anyways. Have to pay for that and the LEDs on the back which I could care less about. The remote looks totally pointless.

I guess they think it will make double duty as possibly media viewer, possibly considering for example cramped Asian apartments something like this as well as speakers would take a lot of room.

I agree it has a lot of price increasing features that are irrelevant to most people who would buy the display. The RGB logo light is stupid, they could have instead had bias lighting in the back.
 
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