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Discussion in 'Video Cards' started by mentok1982, Jun 30, 2006.
What are you full pc specs?
Power supply requirements are not being driven by HDCP; far from it.
A 350W PSU considered *massive*? Nowadays a PSU like my Antec TruePower 420 would be considered *puny*, and it dates back to 2004 (and replaced a generic 400W PSU) and is itself due for replacement later this *month* (not *year*).
I don't have a fancy PC (remember, the core is 2004 technology!); however, advancement in overall *computer* technology are requiring more and more oomph from a computer's power supply (in addition to the rather old CPU and GPU, I have dual DVD burners and dual HARD drives), and I'm upgrading the PSU simply to increase the *safety margin* as I'm replacing the AIW 9700 Pro with an X1950 Pro (also AGP) and I'm also looking seriously at replacing the smaller PATA hard drive with a larger (and quicker) SATA drive prior to passing the system down.
HDCP doesn't really add to a computer's power hunger these days (if it ever has); in fact, it's become a *check-box item*. (Consider that not only do very few PCIe X1950 Pro-driven cards lack HDCP support, but that exactly *zero* AGP X1950 Pro-driven cards lack HDCP support.) As further adoption drives the price-per-card-implementation further down, you could very well see the end of non-HDCP-based PC implementations *this year* (except for hyperniche applications).
Gigabyte GA-M51GM-S2G (GeForce 6100 + nForce 430)
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (2.2 GHz)
1GB PC6400 DDR2 - Single Channel (I know it supports dual channel)
VisionTek X1600PRO HDMI (with HDCP)
The video was totally jittery and about every 5 minutes there was a complete RETRACE of the video. This is all probably due to the fact that PowerDVD incisted upon using subittles (THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO DISABLE THEM WITH KING KONG -- SO ANNOYING.)
Either way. This card recommends a 350W power supply. I don't have 350W, only a 300W with just one 80GB HD and a DVD-ROM drive (the HD-DVD drive is connected via USB).
Is there anyway for you to disable hardware acceleration? Its possible that if you do that, then the image stutter that you are experiencing may vanish. This might be a software issue.
One thing that I have learnt from these forums also is that the hardware acceleration on the ATI cards is poor in comparison to NVidia. If hardware acceleration is important then go the NVidia route.
One more thing is that HD video is cpu intensive and it requires the fastest cpus around. I read an article saying that HD-DVD was stuttering when using a E6300 on its own (no video card acceleration). Obviously your cpu is slower than a E6300. So, if you are ready to upgrade, then you could switch to Intel Core2Duo. A cheaper solution might be to overclock your current cpu and video card as high as the will go and see if that helps.
Either way, Amd x2 4200 and X1600PRO isnt a powerful combo these days.
Which cards are REALLY fully HDCP compliant...for instance i have a Sapphire Radeon X1600 HDMI that has a HUGE HDCP sticker on it ;-)
but if i connect it to a receiver and then to a Beamer, HDCP FAILS!!! If i connect it directly (no repeater in between) it works, but i dont have a pricey setup just to switch inputs on the beamer every now and then....oh and yes, the receiver is 100% HDCP Compliant, since the HD Satellite recceiver here in Europe uses HDCP on its HD channels and at least that works...
The part where Appendix A of the HDCP Compendium should be implemented just got left out...
I would really appreciate a list where all HDCP issues have been tested like a little table where we can see what works and what doesnt work.
Why arent the sued over this....
I have purchased the Leadtek 7900GS HDCP card:
I tried out Cyberlink's HD-DVD/Blu-ray advisor. It states that my video card is not HDCP capable. Most strange.
I think that Cyberlink's advisor needs to be taken with a grain of salt - they havent got it working perfectly yet.
I contacted Galaxy to find out what happened to their low profile 7600GT (discussed here) and after a few e-mails back and forth, I got this:
So, low profile 7900GT+HDMI coming soon. Sounds very interesting.
They didn't say what the connectors on the low profile section will be. Rather than HDMI+s-video or HDMI+VGA I hope it will be HDMI+DL-DVI (after all, the new Sparkle 7300GT LP HDMI looks to have DVI+HDMI).
Are there any Nvidia AGP hdcp video cards?
I don't think there is. Sorry.
Am I suppose to be looking at the Russian Dr. Greenthump?
Is HDCP OS dependent (Vista)? The more I research the less and less I'm happy about Vista and their DRM scheme. Not that it matters I suppse, as I don't regularly watch movies on my compy.
I brought this Sapphire X1600 Pro HDMI 128MB and 256MB (100167L) version card since its HDCP ready. But i have been hearing mixed reviews about it not being HDCP ready. The AGP ones are but not the PCI-E ones. Any one confirm.
I'm also looking for ATI video card for e new HTPC. There are at least 10 producers of such cards, and I must say it is amazing to see how all of these producers manage to build video cards that have one feature missing to make them ideal for HTPC use.
It would be nice to have a card with these features:
silent - no blower
HDCP ready / compliant
So we find cards with HDMI but also with a blower, or silent cards without HDCP, or HDCP cards with a blower.
And then, what is the difference between HDCP ready and HDCP compliant? As far as I know every X1950 card has a HDCP EEprom, and so we find all X1950 cards from Asus with the HDCP compliant stamp. However I've read that HDCP compliant means that a producer can use a chipset to build a HDCP ready card, but does not have to do so. Very confusing...
Connect3D has a very nice pdf list of all of its video cards, with a special HDCP column. Well done!
Contrary to the US situation, European HDTV is transmitted in H.264 MPEG-4. This applies to terrestial (DVB-T), cable (DVB-C) and satellite (DVB-S2) transmissions. It may depend on the station how 'complicated' the signal is. The BBC uses a very high bit rate for the satellite transmissions, and really uses all posibilities of the H.264 encoding. The result is a stunning picture, and a red hot HTPC cpu. For that reason I need a fitting ATI card to prevent freezing pictures etc. Lets hope that all manufacturers wil make there cards HDCP ready in short time, because otherwise there products are not truly Vista ready if I'm not mistaken.
This is what I found on the ATI web site about the X1950:
Radeon X1950 PRO graphics cards built by ATI are HDCP-compliant, including a built-in EEPROM and HDCP key. Other components such as HDCP content and an HDCP-capable display are also required and not provided by ATI Technologies Inc. Third parties have the option of making their Radeon X1950 boards HDCP-compliant as well. If this is an important feature to you, check with the third party board partner prior to purchasing a third party product.
DO NOT BUY SAPPHIRE X1600 Pro HDMI AGP Version
i have the Sapphire X1600 Pro HDMI AGP Card.and it does work with old drivers but only if connected directly. it does NOT, under any circumstances work with a so called Repeater (DVI Switch, AV Receiver ) which of course are fullyHDCP compliant.
Sony VPL-VW100 Projector 10000$
Denon 4306 AV Receiver 2000$
Sapphire X1600 HDCP AGP 200$
Blu Ray Drive 800$
High End HDMI Cables 400$
Hours of trying approx 10 @ 100$ = 1000$
Balance Net Worth for playing Blu-Ray: 0$
does anybody pay me back? mad:
I will try the same Setup with a XFX8800GTX, lets see if you have to have a 800$ card just to make the industry happy....or the customer even more angry (possible?)
PS: HD Receiver works fine through Receiver
Awaiting a PS3 in the mail, lets hope the PS3 runs smoothly
Crikey man, you have spent a fortune on your home cinema set up. And the best thing about it is your jewel - the ruby.
I have read on another forum about the repeater not allowing the HDCP signal to pass along. Without the repeater everything runs fine and the cyberlink adviser says that everything is HDCP compliant. The moment you add the repeater, HDCP compliance is lost. I just cant remember the video card they were using when this happened.
thx, yes the Ruby is a Masterpiece
have you read that on the sapphire forums, because i probably wrote that ;-). Yes, the Cyberlink Advisor does say it still is HDCP compliant.
The problem seems to be that the Appendix A of the HDCP Compendium is not implemented into the Driver correctly...i will see if it is with the NVidia drivers...
i will also try Cyberlinks Ultra BD Player before replacing the Mainboard (no PCI-E on my old one... and the Graphicscard...
it is very unfortunate that HDCP can not be "soldered" onto a piece of Hardware with a Chip dedicated to HDCP...since it is also software based, everything is possible...especially for the consumer this is not acceptable since you can not rely on a HDCP sticker...it might work with one device they tested it with but not with another...
for example i have my HD Sat Receiver and the mentioned Denon AV Receiver. If i want to watch the HDCP encrypted channel, i have to switch between channels on the Sat Receiver for approx 10 min until the HDCP handshake finally works. The problem is, that the Sat Recievers HDCP wnats a ultra fast repsonse which it does not get from the receiver, so you have to slow down its CPU so the handshake works... but the handshake lasts as long as the deivces stay in standby...
i just dont know why HDCP is still alive... there cant be alot off fully HDCP compatible Hardware out there...but there sure are a lot of angry customers....
It definitely wasnt the sapphire forums as Ive never visited them.
One thing you have to remember about HDCP is that it really is in its infancy and only just taking off, so there are bound to be teething troubles. Unfortunately, it is the early adopters like yourself who have to bear the brunt of the problems. In a year or so Im sure all HDCP equipment will be working in tandem, but until then, early adopters will not have a smooth ride.
Even my own Leadtek Winfast 7900GS and my Panasonic HD projector can not get a successful HDCP handshake (according to Cyberlink advisor anyway), but Im not fussed at this point as I havent got a hd-dvd/blu-ray drive for my PC as yet. Once I get one of these HD drives and want to view HD material from my PC, on my Projector, then things will come to a head.
i have jsut installed the new XFX8800GTX with the latest forceware drivers and i am able to loop it through the Denon 4306 AVR Receiver. Amazing ;-)
it seems as if the XFX8800GTX fully complies to HDCP and even its Appendixes.
Full System Specs:
Asus P5WDG2 WS Pro
(not optimal because it is for ATI boards and only has 8x lanes if in SLI/Crossfire mode, but it has a Optical output;-)
P4 3Ghz Single Core
(not optimal, dual core would be better for HD)
2x1GB Kingston Hyper X
36GB WD Raptor
Plextor Blu-Ray DVD Burner
I have noticed people having problems with non 8800 cards, with regards to HDCP. Even myself with the 7900GS am having problems getting the Cyberlink advisor to recognise it as HDCP compliant. I guess right now the only way to be sure of HDCP is to buy the most expensive video card available - 8800GTS/GTX.
My 7900GS with HDCP works fine with PowerDVD 7.1 for HD-DVD playback (other than using the spdif causing stuttering).
Is that the Leadtek Winfast 7900GS?
MSI, and I'm running it through my Pioneer Elite 84TXSi too, so it even support "repeater" devices.
Perhaps its the Leadtek Winfast 7900GS that I have that isnt supporting HDCP properly, even though it has a big 'HDCP' monika on the box.
Awesome! This thread got linked in another [H]ard|OCP article!
Guess that means I need to update the list in the first post to include all the new 8800 GTS
320MBs. I will do that as soons as I can.
Hi, maybe this link could help:
I also want to know..
coz there is a difference in the MSI sites if the MSI NX8800GTX-T2D768E supports HDCP or no (http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=NX8800GTX-T2D768E&class=vga)
.. because in the US MSI website, it said it does but in the global one (tw) said that it can only support HDTV! no mention of HDCP (http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_detail.php?UID=776)
So does it or does it not?
i sent them an email btw!
While not a video card, here is ViewSonics current list of LCD's that are HDCP compliant. http://www.viewsonic.com/newsletter0307/whatsnew.htm
Their super cheap VX1935wm is HDCP, w00t!
New to this here forum and and would first off like to say thank you for all that I have learned here thus far.
And the above I can agree with- MSI is not very nice. Long story short, have a fully tested MSI NX7300GS-MD256EH and it is Not HDCP ready (hope I didn't miss that being stated on here already...I did search). Connected to an HP PL4260N.
Live and learn...
For some reason, I heard it does 720p w/ HDCP but not 1080p. Would that be a driver or hardware limitation?
any idea if the 7600go for laptops will make the list? i have it for my evereix stepnote i bought in the hot deals section.
Is Foxconn FV-N79SM2D2-OC really HDCP-ready?
I don't see see any information on HDCP in Manufacturer Product page.
Further OCWorkBench's reveiw said the contradictory: Cons No HDCP.
Asus GeForce 8600 GTS 256MB looks to be HDCP enabled.
On the product page for the Sapphire x1800xt, it says:
"Dual integrated dual-link DVI transmitters
* DVI 1.0 compliant / HDMI interoperable and HDCP ready*
*Specifications are subject to change without notice and may vary depending upon product sku*"
Does anybody know the info behind this? Which sku's are HDCP ready and which aren't?
A small update to an old post http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1030492544&postcount=167
I had been wondering if I'd mis-read the Galaxy e-mail -- I'd read their e-mail as saying 7600GT full- and half-height versions as well as 7900GS full- and half-height versions were in the pipe -- and from what's come out of CeBIT I think I did.
Galaxy seems to be touting only the following:
a low profile 7600GS + HDMI (w/HDCP)
a low profile 7600GT + HDMI (w/HDCP)
a full height 7900GS + DVI (w/HDCP)
In the manufacturer's web site it says that it does support HDCP/HDMI, could that be true?
So far no card has been able to operate HDCP over dual link to hi - res monitor such as the Dell 3007.
It appears the Nvidia 8600GTS cards are the first to do this:
OMG for a LONG time i always though eVGA is an other slot interface, like vga and pci-e......
I have just completed a huge redesign of the first post. It is less cluttered and easier to read. I
hope you like it. I also added the 8600 and 8500 series.
Thank you for the update. There may be some problems with some of the 8600GT’s not being compliant. The Gigabyte passive model does not say it is HDCP compliant at its web site or at Newegg.