The murderbox MKII - available for pre-order

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I dig the integrated PCB and cable management. The case looks pretty sleek, but $1200 is not what I'd be willing to pay unless I was just drowning in money. Let's face it, I'm not. I wouldn't mind taking one off their hands for testing and never giving it back though.:p
 

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Nobody has really considered what it would take to make this case. I doubt they would be raking it in. It's for a different market to most of you. Compare it to a 690. People would kick up less off a fuss about that than a case with a 8mm thick mobo tray and made of nearly ALL custom panels while still retaining parts of the original case.
 

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I thought this was [H]ardOCP? Why are all these [F]rugalOCP people commenting?

It's a damn nice case for sure, but I'm not baller enough to afford such a case.
Well, I would argue that it has to do with $ per value. Most people on [H]ard|OCP whether they're in the low end or the high end want dollar per value. That is the only logical reason I can think of, because that's what is always complained about when referring to Apple products! ;)

Like it's been mentioned in here, $1200 for a case doesn't make a lot of sense when you can build an entire rig with a monitor for that much, or a screaming fast laptop. The only reason to buy this thing is if you have more money than sense for the cool factor because I'm sure I could OC a machine with way less than buying this custom $1200 case.
 

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Again, go price out a CNC, laser cutter, custom PCB design & fab... Then go add the materials cost. You'll pay the same (or more) going to someone like protocase. Even if it's not something you would ever spend money on, at least respect what it is and what it represents.
 

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Nobody has really considered what it would take to make this case. I doubt they would be raking it in. It's for a different market to most of you. Compare it to a 690. People would kick up less off a fuss about that than a case with a 8mm thick mobo tray and made of nearly ALL custom panels while still retaining parts of the original case.
The raw materials in the case are at the absolute most around $300. The machining time at a run of 499 would probably be in the neighborhood of another $300 if outsourced. Another $50 per case for assembly. So the cost of the actual case is probably around $650 on the high end.

Sure the case costs more then your run of the mill Chinese mass manufactured case, but their profit margin is at least around 50% before factoring in SG&A costs. SG&A should be minimal since the business is probably run from some guy's house.
 

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I don't think anyone has disrespected this case at all, or the work that was put in to designing it. I think most people just have a hard time justifying it's value at a $1,200.00 price point.
 

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I thought this was [H]ardOCP? Why are all these [F]rugalOCP people commenting?

It's a damn nice case for sure, but I'm not baller enough to afford such a case.
Same way we'd be complaining you were selling your crap in hot deals. CASE FORUM. This stupid thread should be closed.
 

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i also noticed they have add-ons...that they charge for.


you're already stupid enough to fork out $1200 for a case, might as well reel the suckers in for a few more nickles and dimes.
exactly...all of those options should come standard with that 1200 dollar case. With all the options ticked it is gonna be well over 1600 dollars. I don't think a computer case is worth that kind of coin.
 

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hey guys look at me my case cost more than my whole system inside of it, thats like my GF's $1k Chanel purse with $50 in it at any given time or my friend who's rims cost more than his whole car. It just seems kind of ass backwards to spend that much on aesthetics to me.
 

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I agree with the fact that hes still doing the TJ07. Its like hes beating a dead horse. Needs to move onto TJ11 or like he said before he shut his operation down start working with the Corsair 800D.
 

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exactly...all of those options should come standard with that 1200 dollar case. With all the options ticked it is gonna be well over 1600 dollars. I don't think a computer case is worth that kind of coin.
Think back to the VoodooPC Omen case. That is still a delicious box that many would probably pay $1000 for on this board.



 

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The raw materials in the case are at the absolute most around $300. The machining time at a run of 499 would probably be in the neighborhood of another $300 if outsourced. Another $50 per case for assembly. So the cost of the actual case is probably around $650 on the high end.

Sure the case costs more then your run of the mill Chinese mass manufactured case, but their profit margin is at least around 50% before factoring in SG&A costs. SG&A should be minimal since the business is probably run from some guy's house.

Well I think you should start up a company making custom cases since you have all the "facts" lol Seems like a lucrative business...


If they are making $400 per case Id be shocked. Time is money and that case doesnt look like it happens overnight.
 

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I thought this was [H]ardOCP? Why are all these [F]rugalOCP people commenting?

It's a damn nice case for sure, but I'm not baller enough to afford such a case.
We may be hard [H]ard but we're not stupid.
 

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Hey, I was told to come here for the "Murder Wallet" case...

Hello? Hellooo! Anybody There?!

Sure is dark...

CHA - Cha - cha - HA - Ha - ha.

Wha? OH NO! NOOO! AAAHHH! SQUISHY! THUNK!

XD

A warning to all new HardOCP members. Never go into the forest...

On a not so morbid side, I think you can buy a pretty nice coffin for the same price.

... What?
 

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The raw materials in the case are at the absolute most around $300. The machining time at a run of 499 would probably be in the neighborhood of another $300 if outsourced. Another $50 per case for assembly. So the cost of the actual case is probably around $650 on the high end.

Sure the case costs more then your run of the mill Chinese mass manufactured case, but their profit margin is at least around 50% before factoring in SG&A costs. SG&A should be minimal since the business is probably run from some guy's house.
...pulling numbers out your ass, much?


Think back to the VoodooPC Omen case. That is still a delicious box that many would probably pay $1000 for on this board.

http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2011/05/21/most-expensive-computer-voodoo-omen_xX3nW_39384.jpg

http://computershopper.com/shoptalk/Voodoo_PC_Omen_Top.jpg
Computer cost $25k for what could be described as an aluminium ft-02. Which is ok but a Murderbox: "noooo, that's overpriced" :p

We may be hard [H]ard but we're not stupid.
Speak for yourself.
 

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Computer cost $25k for what could be described as an aluminium ft-02. Which is ok but a Murderbox: "noooo, that's overpriced" :p
OTOH, that level of aesthetics, design, and workmanship in materials hasn't really gone into any case sense, apart from maybe the Mac Pro boxes. Even Silverstone's line have become progressively more and more mundane while maintaining the steep pricetag for a box of plastic.

I might pay $1000 fo a sexy case like the Omen box was. No way I'd pay $1200 for a barely-modded off-the-shelf Silverstone with lots of plastic bits.
 

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OTOH, that level of aesthetics, design, and workmanship in materials hasn't really gone into any case sense, apart from maybe the Mac Pro boxes. Even Silverstone's line have become progressively more and more mundane while maintaining the steep pricetag for a box of plastic.

I might pay $1000 fo a sexy case like the Omen box was. No way I'd pay $1200 for a barely-modded off-the-shelf Silverstone with lots of plastic bits.
I normally refrain from making comments about our OEM customers' product in public. But I have to speak up here!

Not sure how you got the impression that Murderbox MKII has "lots of plastic bits," because besides the window panels, the case is all aluminum inside and out.

Having worked with HP on the Omen and with industry's best computer builders, we can vouch for the incredible amount of effort that Charles and his team have put in to create the MKII. To say that it is a "barely-modded off-the-shelf" case is very unfair. If you haven't read all of the pages on Murderbox.com, please do so as it will give you a better idea of what they've done. Below are some of the links clearly showing that they've remade one of our favorites cases of all time into a completely different product:

Unibody
http://www.murderbox.com/mkii/unibody/

Side panels
http://www.murderbox.com/mkii/side_panels/

Motherboard tray
http://www.murderbox.com/mkii/motherboard_tray/

Drive structure
http://www.murderbox.com/mkii/drive_structure_assembly/


The Voodoo Omen (2008 version) was also an incredible case, but it was built with a different priority and was even more expensive to produce with built-in touchscreen, custom radiator/fan, internal copper piping, etc..., $1000 wouldn't have cover even half of the cost. While I can't comment on aesthetic value or design superiority, the Omen did have significantly thicker aluminum and more expensive surface finishing technique than Mac Pro. But in terms of detailing and machining work, the MKII is every bit as good as the Omen, if not better.
 

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...pulling numbers out your ass, much?
numbers seem accurate, but there should be less money in raw materials, more money in machining and the pcbs inside.

don't forget, they *DO* need to make a profit.

I do have to say that they're using marketing gimmicks too much. illuminating panel, really?
 

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and your point is? You can buy hundreds of cheaper FUGLY cases but that has nothng to do with it now does it?
Well, if you want apples-to-apples, check out the CM Cosmos II:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119252&Tpk=cooler master cosmos ii

Build quality: ✓ (It's made of steel, and weighs fifty fucking pounds)
Aesthetics: ✓ (Though, not quite as pleasing to the eye as the Murderbox, I will concede)
Functionality: ✓
Price: ✓


(Though, it's discontinued, I think the Cosmos 1000 was even better-looking, while still being a kick-ass case for a quarter of the Murderbox's price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119138)
 
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Well, if you want apples-to-apples, check out the CM Cosmos II:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119252&Tpk=cooler master cosmos ii

Build quality: ✓ (It's made of steel, and weighs fifty fucking pounds)
Aesthetics: ✓ (Though, not quite as pleasing to the eye as the Murderbox, I will concede)
Functionality: ✓
Price: ✓


(Though, it's discontinued, I think the Cosmos 1000 was even better-looking, while still being a kick-ass case for a quarter of the Murderbox's price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119138)
Sure, the cosmos II is cool but not really comparable. The murderbox uses pretty much 100% aluminium constructed with some really thick pieces. Cosmos has a lot of plastic and steel. Not to mention the manufacturing process would be worlds apart. Aesthetics are subjective.

Basically it's not an apples to apples comparison.

numbers seem accurate, but there should be less money in raw materials, more money in machining and the pcbs inside.

don't forget, they *DO* need to make a profit.

I do have to say that they're using marketing gimmicks too much. illuminating panel, really?
"Seem" accurate? You're not very convincing.

Of course they make a profit. I'm just saying I don't think it is unjustified. (sorry: Doesn't 'seem' unjustified :p )
It just doesn't cater to most of the market.

Marketing gimmicks? Really?
 

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Again, go price out a CNC, laser cutter, custom PCB design & fab... Then go add the materials cost. You'll pay the same (or more) going to someone like protocase. Even if it's not something you would ever spend money on, at least respect what it is and what it represents.
Problem the pcb is not custom made. Simple connectors.

Who is this targeting? The case size is for a low to mid range pc. A full tower user will never get everything they want in it. Do you think a mid range user is going to spend more on his case than his entire build?

Get real... The is a waste of money for a box that sits under the desk and at the end of the day, the next time you admire anything from a case is when its time to dust it up.
 

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Problem the pcb is not custom made. Simple connectors.

Who is this targeting? The case size is for a low to mid range pc. A full tower user will never get everything they want in it. Do you think a mid range user is going to spend more on his case than his entire build?

Get real... The is a waste of money for a box that sits under the desk and at the end of the day, the next time you admire anything from a case is when its time to dust it up.
The PCB's ARE custom made.

At any rate, I'm getting one. I could care less about money. You can't take it with you, might as well enjoy some of the finer things in life.
 

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Looks slick and very promising for high end builds with watercool. Probably worth the money for many high end users, but not for a man like me who spends 100 dollars on his case, not a thousand.
 

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The numbers I gave are based on me being the controller for a machine shop. I'm sure I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about though.
Even in that occupation, chances are that you don't know exactly what went into making this case an the expenses. So many people get ahead of themselves and think they know everything just because they work in the field.

Problem the pcb is not custom made. Simple connectors.

Who is this targeting? The case size is for a low to mid range pc. A full tower user will never get everything they want in it. Do you think a mid range user is going to spend more on his case than his entire build?

Get real... The is a waste of money for a box that sits under the desk and at the end of the day, the next time you admire anything from a case is when its time to dust it up.
Pcb's are custom.
Not every high end user wants 4-way sli and two xeons.
Also don't leave your computer on the floor. It isn't good for it.

Looks slick and very promising for high end builds with watercool. Probably worth the money for many high end users, but not for a man like me who spends 100 dollars on his case, not a thousand.
O_O someone rational!

The hate on this case just makes me want it more.
 

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The hate on this case just makes me want it more.
:)

It's a gorgeous rig, I'll tell you what. Worth every penny and more. The level of detail, the design, ingenuity, the ease of putting a system together in it, everything about it I absolutely love. I just want the blood lines in a yellow/gold to match my mobo and watercooling fittings.
 

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Sure, the cosmos II is cool but not really comparable. The murderbox uses pretty much 100% aluminium constructed with some really thick pieces. Cosmos has a lot of plastic and steel. Not to mention the manufacturing process would be worlds apart. Aesthetics are subjective.
It's not a MurderBox, is a modded TJ07. That's what it is. They can call it whatever, but it's still a TJ07.
Until MurderMod makes their own cases, I can't see the value in taking a $320 case and turning it into a $1200 case.

I've modded and powdercoated the last three cases I've owned, and each project cost about $150 to complete.
All three cases were purchased by other members at cost. My custom Z70B sold for $350, when Newegg was selling them for $230.

This MM case plays on people's emotions and suppresses logic.
 

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It's not a MurderBox, is a modded TJ07. That's what it is. They can call it whatever, but it's still a TJ07.
Until MurderMod makes their own cases, I can't see the value in taking a $320 case and turning it into a $1200 case.

I've modded and powdercoated the last three cases I've owned, and each project cost about $150 to complete.
All three cases were purchased by other members at cost. My custom Z70B sold for $350, when Newegg was selling them for $230.

This MM case plays on people's emotions and suppresses logic.
Modded? What? Used a dremel to cut some holes? I don't think that is closely comparable to what it must have taken to make the unibody alone. I think you can't see the value partly because it is too much of a complete project. You want to justify hacking up and painting a case.

Of course Murdermod aren't going to sell their products at cost.

Also, what is a "Murderbox" if not a modded TJ07?
 

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Modded? What? Used a dremel to cut some holes? I don't think that is closely comparable to what it must have taken to make the unibody alone. I think you can't see the value partly because it is too much of a complete project. You want to justify hacking up and painting a case.

Of course Murdermod aren't going to sell their products at cost.

Also, what is a "Murderbox" if not a modded TJ07?
Looking forward to your MurderBox build log...

I don't use dremels and paint....more like anodizing, powdercoating and water jet cutting.
The case is a unibody by design from Silverstone. Adding to it doesn't make the case something glorious to behold.

MM ideas are outdated. There are people right here in this forum that can build custom cases from scratch.
With Corsair, Lian Li, Silverstone(the TJ07 originators) and CaseLabs, there are many more sensible options out there.
The MM down payment of $600 can score you a TJ11, the current most expensive commercial case on the market.

I digress. Back on topic.
 

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Actually, Charles designed the chassis from the ground up. It's got the same dimensions as a TJ07 but the entire thing is brand spanking new. Which is why it's the MKII. It's the successor to the original Murderbox (which was just a modified TJ07).

This isn't simply a "modified" TJ07. But thanks for trying. I'd say you win a toaster, but your inability to see past your jealousy has stripped your toaster from you.
 

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The case is a unibody by design from Silverstone. Adding to it doesn't make the case something glorious to behold.

uhh no thats exactly what it does


All the people whining in here are mad cause they secretly want the case but dont want to spend $1200. So instead they shake their fist at the screen. Gotta be part of the mob mentality.

Im not buying this case cause its way too much money (for me) but Im also smart enough to recognize the quality of work that went into it. Of course there are those that will want to powdercoat a tj07 and say its the same thing derp.
 

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I don't use dremels and paint....more like anodizing, powdercoating and water jet cutting.
The case is a unibody by design from Silverstone. Adding to it doesn't make the case something glorious to behold.
It still wouldn't be real easy to make the shape of the unibody in thick aluminium without being Silverstone.

MM ideas are outdated. There are people right here in this forum that can build custom cases from scratch.
Aluminium boxes incoming...

With Corsair, Lian Li, Silverstone(the TJ07 originators) and CaseLabs, there are many more sensible options out there.
The MM down payment of $600 can score you a TJ11, the current most expensive commercial case on the market.
Why would I buy a TJ11 when I can buy 10 Bitfenix Shinobi's?...
It's just at a select price point.

Looking forward to your MurderBox build log...
It's not like I can afford one. I just don't think it's a bad case.

I just get so tired of crappy "high end" cases. Even for a modded TJ07 it's a pretty big breath of fresh air as far as cases go. They did a great job.
 
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