The GeForce RTX 2080 Ti is Too Damn High! @ [H]

Discussion in 'nVidia Flavor' started by Kyle_Bennett, Sep 21, 2018.

  1. Porter_

    Porter_ [H]ardness Supreme

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    Yeah the Best Buy cards are never available when you click the link, and the Amazon cards are always for preorder. Newegg is your best shot right now if you’re monitoring nowinstock.
     
  2. DahlKen

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    The whole RTX release really isn't doing much for me. Will just have to keep the 1xxx's that are in use now and wait for the next gen to come along.
     
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    I wish they can just remove the Ray Tracing tech and release a GTX2080 / GTX2080TI for half the price.
     
  4. Stoly

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    I think nvidia could have a Volta based alternative (basically turing sans RTX) depending on what AMD brings to the table and how it performs.
     
  5. VanGoghComplex

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    The 2080ti is priced to sell 1080tis.

    I bet we see MSRP begin to creep toward sanity as all that unsold 10-series inventory finally leaves the retailer shelves.
     
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    LOL. Awesome.
     
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  7. Zarathustra[H]

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    In the end, the pricing doesn't matter if you can't find one for sale.


    Still no 2080 TI FE's in the Nvidia store.
     
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  8. Gideon

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    You can pretty much go to any store and get a 2080, ti's are bit harder to find tho, but seem to pop in and out of stock at my local Fry's.
     
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  9. Zarathustra[H]

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    Yeah, my "ti" autocorrected to "to" in my post above.
     
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  10. kirbyrj

    kirbyrj Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?

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    That's because nobody wants these. The only card worth owning is the Ti. The 2080 is too close to the 1080Ti and costs several hundred more.
     
  11. cybereality

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    There are a bunch of 2080s available on Newegg now. Not sure the value is there, especially since no RT/DLSS games are out yet.

    In a few months, when there are games, maybe the comparison will differ. Or if you're itching to upgrade and want the latest, it can make sense (i.e. coming from an older gen like 980 Ti).
     
  12. kirbyrj

    kirbyrj Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?

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    https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/...d-rtx-2080-ti-review-you-cant-polish-a-turing

    A nice summary of why the 2080 is a bad buy this gen.
     
  13. cybereality

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    kirbyrj Yeah, great article and I agree with most of the points, even though I disagree with the conclusion.

    If you want the latest and greatest, and believe ray tracing will be the future, I think it's still worthwhile. Of course, if you *already* have a 1080 Ti then there is no point for the 2080.

    But lots of people *don't* have a 1080 Ti (as the Steam stats show, it's less than 2%). And if you are building a new computer today or upgrading an older rig, it still is measurably better than the 1080 Ti.

    The main issue here is not the features or the performance, it's just the price (which I agree is aggressive, even for Nvidia). But if you can swing the cash, I still think it's not such a bad option.
     
  14. Gideon

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    The reason that number is so low, is very few are willing to spend that kind of cash for a video card, heck Titan buyers are less then 1%. Most buyers are spending less then 500 bucks on a card and thus why the number for Ti is so low. Of course on a forum like this your going to see the numbers skew far more from reality. The sad part is that low adoption rate could end up dooming RTX features as developers will see no reason to invest the time for such a low install base.
     
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  15. kirbyrj

    kirbyrj Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?

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    If you're buying new, you might as well spend the extra $50 or so for a 2080, BUT a good 1080Ti can be had for $500-550 used. There's really nothing comparable in that price range as a new 1080 goes for $450+ and the Vega 64 is $500+ on sale (regular pricing higher). The 2080Ti is a beast, but the price is too high right now (and availability is poor...I probably would have impulse bought a 2080Ti if they were available). I can't say the same for the 2080 as my 1080Ti is comparable and I'd be spending $850 (after tax). Assuming I could net $500 after shipping/fees from my 1080Ti, I'm still looking at $350 for marginal performance gains. The only real upgrade for me is a 2080Ti.

    Are developers going to spend the resources to include features that 1% of the gamers use? It would be totally different if a $300 2060 was available that had 1070(Ti) levels of performance with DLSS/Ray Tracing. The old chicken and the egg scenario.
     
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    Yeah, you're right. Developers will probably be hesitant to spend too much effort on such a small portion of the market. We've seen this with things like SLI, 3D Vision, PhysX, Surround, etc. So history is on your side. However, I think with ray tracing, it's something game developers have always wanted and the performance was never there. So I think there will be (and already is) a lot of excitement from devs more than those other fringe proprietary Nvidia features. Also think about games that are earlier in development, that will be releasing in a year or 2 years from now, that will have a potentially much larger market.

    We also need to think about DLSS and how that can improve performance. If games start releasing with this, then the 2080 could have a leg up with serious performance wins over the 1080 Ti in those titles. If developers can gain 50% performance boost in their game, you better believe they will take it. From what I understand, this is not as complex as converting your render engine to ray tracing, so the cost benefit would probably make more sense.

    I wish Nvidia would have at least released a full RT+DLSS demo for consumers to try (and they have some, reviewers tried the Star Wars demo). Releasing the cards on the promise of new features without any games or even a demo was a poor choice.
     
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