The GeForce RTX 2080 Ti is Too Damn High! @ [H]

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  1. DooKey

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    The Ti is really the only GPU for someone wanting the fastest they can get. The rest of the lineup are a bit meh at the moment.
     
  2. Krenum

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    Really meh considering the price. You can find faster 1080ti's for cheaper the 2070 will be.
     
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  3. STEM

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    Nope, it's market manipulation. Two Best Buy locations, one 45 miles from me and one 80 miles from me had each one in stock last week (the RTX 2080 that is), and they sold, but very slowly. By limiting supply, NVIDIA is trying to create demand, or at least the illusion that there is demand for their product, while you can find a GTX 1080 Ti 11GB for $700 ~ $800 in any gutter, pisshole or back alley... Once again, Fuck You NVIDIA!
     
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  4. AngeloBJ

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    Any new product is gonna have a population of customers who will buy it just because it's new....no mater how retarded the price is. :whistle:
     
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  5. STEM

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    You're absolutely right. And by paying these ridiculous prices, these people will only encourage NVIDIA to keep going. But, when stuff doesn't sell, prices fall. I've seen VEGA Frontier Edition cards being sold at fire sale prices by the palet. When they didn't sell well for $1000, I guess $500 to $600 is good enough, maybe less than $500 when you get an entire pallet. It's a lesson NVIDIA needs to re-learn as well.
     
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  6. cybereality

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    I think it's a supply and demand issue. From the delays on Ti pre-orders, we know they must be seriously supply constrained (I mean, really, how many people are lining up to buy a $1,200 GPU?).

    So knowing they would sell out everything for at least a month or two, it makes business sense to price it at the highest point that will still sell out their stock. You can argue it's greed, and that may play a part, but it make sense.

    Plus, they gave the MSRP as $999, so they have an out to drop the price whenever inventory catches up and/or demand wanes.
     
  7. vegeta535

    vegeta535 2[H]4U

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    You got to realize people have more money then sense. Also 2k or even 3k might be a lot to most of us here but to some 3k is nothing. There are lots of nerds out there that have the cash to feed their needs.
     
  8. Zarathustra[H]

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    Thing is, I'm not poor or anything, but I always balk at things when I feel I am being ripped off.

    If someone is trying to sell me something for $4, but I know it's only worth $1.50, I get pissed, because I don't like being taken advantage of even when I can afford it.

    I would have thought these people able to drop multiple thousands at the drop of a hat would feel the same.
     
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  9. Krenum

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    I feel have the exact same feelings towards spending my money. Wants only go so far.
     
  10. SixFootDuo

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    My definition would be what I gained from watching all the review videos of the 2080 Ti. Reviewers are saying the card runs very cool, the best they've seen with nVidia. But, there are people who are not happy until they are at bleeding edge of cooling and that's awesome if that's what your into.
     
  11. polarman5k

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    Small shop manager in NZ and we can now order the GTX 2080 ti and stock is available at suppliers bit steep baring in mind this is the price without margin and GST added
    ASUS DUAL-RTX2080TI-O11G GDDR6 RTX PCIE3.0 Graphics Card

    DUAL-RTX2080TI-O11G
    $2,175.00

    End user pricing on this would be about $2599 incl GST and a bit of margin. RRP is $3127 incl gst though.
     
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  12. mr_zen256

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    Hello fellow kiwi :)

    I was checking out NZ local pricing for the 2080 Ti's on Price Spy today. The cheapest is $2,349.95

    Still...

    EDIT: I payed about $1800 for a Titan X Maxwell back in 2015... This is just FUCKED!

    EDIT 2: *Leather Jacket Man* More you buy the more you save! HAHA Get fooked

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  13. UnrealCpu

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    I think Jensen needs a paycut on his salary and just lower the prices
     
  14. Aireoth

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    Absolutely, only idiots think that the rich aren't frugal. Now their children/spouse can/are another matter, but if you made that money yourself, you're likely a tightwad just like me.

    Can I afford it without a problem? Yes.

    Do I have the money I have because I spend like a chump? No.

    Is this an item that looks like its for chumps? Yep. Waiting the the H review to confirm.
     
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    I make well north of 100k and still drive a 20 year old crown vic. The more I make the more of a tightwad I've become. It's tough being "rich."
     
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    This is what I suspect it is.

    One thing I have noticed lately is pretty much all consumer goods have gone up unproportionally lately over the last little while but in particular, Luxury goods. Some times the price of things can be normal but all of a sudden boom happens and the price skyrockets.

    One group of people that is causing this to happen are the Chinese.

    Chinese, particularly the wealthier ones and even the less wealthy ones are willing to spend an inappropriate amount of money on luxury goods. The more expensive the better.

    The price of luxury hand bags have doubled over the last 10 years, the prices of certain watches like Rolex have shot up and sell for above their MSRP over the last couple years and electronics like Apple products sell way above asking price.

    Chinese tourist spend 3x the normal average on shopping compared to most tourist when they go on a trip. The Chinese like to consume luxury goods at a higher rate than most people which has opened up a buying market that is beginning to rival the USA even though the vast majority of them are poor. Buying american goods and reselling them back home has become a job. Occassionally you will see a Chinese person buy huge quantities of stuff with the aim to resell it back in China. The point is most american's will bug out at the prices of these cards, but to the chinese, the high price is an attractive incentives since it evokes thoughts of exclusivity.
     
  17. kirbyrj

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    Looks like the evga "black" edition has an MSRP of $1149. Still an absurd price, but $50 less absurd.
     
  18. Burticus

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    Hold still, my precious 1070... you're not going anywhere yet.
     
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  19. Furious_Styles

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    Baby steps, soon we'll be back to sane pricing. At least that's what I'll keep telling myself.
     
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  20. LuxTerra

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    Yes, there are some interesting cultural differences. The Chinese also like buying really expensive bottles of wine just to show off their wealth. Funny thing is, lots of them don't even like it, so the common thing is to mix it with coke. Yes, mixing a several hundred/thousand dollar bottle of wine with coke just so you can drink it. Absurd.
     
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  21. cdr_74_premium

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    I would love to see that.
     
  22. Redmud

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    I am sitting at a 980. With the performance being similar between the 2080 and the 1080 ti and the prices not really that much different (looking at Micro Center), I am inclined to go with the 2080. I am going to hold out regardless but I would never buy a 2080 ti at what they are asking.
     
  23. kamxam

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    Let people buy what they want. It's their money. If you don't want to pay that kind of money to get a 2080 type card, then get a 1080Ti or such for whatever you can afford.. No one is forcing anyone to buy one. Yes, the price is too high at the moment in my opinion, but CONSTANTLY complaining about it just makes people look dumb i think. Unless a huge portion of their customer base doesn't buy it, nothings really going to change too much. Plus, if 5-6 months down the road, it goes down in price to $900-1000 or possibly even lower, (Yeah, Right!) people will be praising the stars for it about what a great deal it is now. I have a Titan XP atm. Would i like a 2080Ti? Yes i would. But i'm perfectly willing to wait and see if anything better comes out. If not, then chances are i'll be able to pick up a 2080Ti hopefully when it's a little cheaper or at least not being gouged by the retailers like it is right now.
     
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  24. eclypse

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    5-6 months there will be better cards most likely. Something better then a ti I bet.. why else would they release the regular and ti st the same time?
     
  25. Brahmzy

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    Yeah, no. Not going to happen that fast.
    And there will always be something better coming. Duh.
     
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  26. AngeloBJ

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    After all the shit talking I did....I started shopping for a 1080ti to upgrade my 980 TI FTW. All I can say at this point is I'm probably going to break down and pay way to much for a 2080 Ti. It's slim pickings for 1080Ti cards these days.
     
  27. loki1944

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    The last few years I've been willing to pay ~$740 per Ti (780Ti/980Ti/1080Ti) card for around ~$1480 for 2-way SLI, but the unabashed (and undisciplined) greed on display here by nvidia is just dishonorable and frankly; insulting. This unbridled greed is a huge turnoff to me; to the point where I'm going to run my 1080Tis rather than entertain any notion of paying the ludicrous prices marshalled by Nvidia. If anything, in a year or so I will look to the used market.
     
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  28. loki1944

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    There have been plenty of used 1080Tis on ebay for sub $600.
     
  29. loki1944

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    1080Tis are selling well under $700 on ebay including shipping, in the buy it now section some are $620 with shipping. In auction they have gone sub $600.
     
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    'Used' being the operative word. I like my PC components shiny new.
     
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    I have yet to buy a used GPU from ebay that looked any different than a new one; that's why there are pictures. I've bought 11 used GPUs in the past two years and all but 1 work pristinely. The one that did not work I returned and money was refunded within 48 hours.
     
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  32. AngeloBJ

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    I get it! I'm all about a deal. This is just an area where I prefer to buy new.
     
  33. eclypse

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    Kinda crazy the 1080ti is selling used at $600 when the new card that's $11-1300 is just a little bit faster. Nuts right?

    1080tis either should be selling for 8-900 or maybe the 2080ti should be $8-900 max.
     
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    And they are gonna get higher with the new tariffs. :( All the more reason to upgrade now. Can you see them asking 1500-1700 for a video card?!
     
  35. Gideon

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    You can ask anything you want for a product, doesn't mean people will buy it. I expect some serious chapped butts on here after 1080 stock clears out and prices collapse on the 2080 stuff.
     
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  36. harmattan

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    The used market will no doubt start rising to the levels we saw earlier this year. Used 1080 tis will go back to $600-700. Smoke 'em while you got 'em.

    By design or not, this all falls into nV's plan to condition the market to higher prices.
     
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    From who, Santa Clause? No, there will not be better cards out in 5 or 6 months.

    AMD has a good shot at beating the 1080 Ti in performance ... I'm going to say ... by not a huge margin. Will AMD have Ray-Tracing? Who knows. Doubtful. When AMD does launch their new cards, whenever that will be and the performance is that of a 1080 ti or slightly better, it will be forced to compete on price so I would expect those cards to be around $500. All guess work, but who really knows.

    If you guys want a 2080 Ti then listen to me, I can seriously help you.

    Take 15 to 20 mins out of your day, make sure your cell phone is charged. Prepare yourself to dig around your closet, garage, basement, shelves, etc ... make a mental note and or, grab pen and paper and do this. Dig in and pull out all the shit you don't use, want or need. Write everything down. Drag all of that stuff to your room and start listing it. Now, advice on how to list that stuff. Be honest about condition, number one. Two, don't be one of those unrealistic guys that asks for NEW prices on a 3 year old SSD, or, whatever it is. Make sure you have the best price on Craigslist or Facebook Marketplace or you simply won't sell anything anything soon. Got an old case? Ask $29 for it. Old DDR3 memory, 16GB, ask $75 or less. Old 1TB hard-drive, $29. Trust me, I sell this crap all the time. Those are the prices that crap sells at. And sure, I can get slightly better prices on trade ins, finds, personal crap but I you want a new video card now and not weeks and weeks later, get it gone. Motherboards, CPU's, Video Cards, case by case basis. I promise all of you that you have $500 to $1000 laying around decaying. And if you don't then what the hell are you doing on HardOCP? LOL.

    Don't bitch about it ... be about it. Make it happen.

    I have a 2080 Ti and it's fucking ridicules.

    Good luck.

    Here is my new build. 99% percentile across the board. System in my sig. $2,700 in parts give or take $50. What did I sell my old system for? $1,090 + 345 + 1600 + 85 + 50 = $3100 something. I sold a few video cards, the main system, old memory, speakers, and maybe one or two odds and ends. New system didn't cost me anything.


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  38. eclypse

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    They released the same amount of 11gb memory from the 1080ti. That's the point I'm making.. gonna sting a bit if they release a 14GB version 2080ti months from now.

    I mean people buying this card to upgrade from a 1080ti must be doing it for 144hz 4k. And would need 2 for those frame rates.. more memory sure would help I would think.

    I just blew around 6k in a vdrum set. I could buy 2 2080tis (I'd wait for the ftw3 model).. $1350 ea and 2 el blocks prob $170ish ea and a 144hz 4k monitor $1800 = $5300ish after tax.

    I'd have to move out of the country to hide from my wife if I did! Haha

    Selling the 2x evga 1080ti =$ 1000 after fees.. a 1080 classified =$320 after fees. Dell 34" 1440 wide screen = $500 guessing used.

    $1820 - $5300 = $3400.. not worth the cost for ultimate 4k gaming.

    Could just re hook up my 40" 4k 60hz screen but I wouldn't need to upgrade for that.
     
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    This is so great. The way you set it up, I thought there were gonna be steps for a magick spell.
     
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    LOVE IT! But you forgot the last part...spend the next 3 weeks looking for one because no one has them in stock anymore. :p