The future is here: Meet Tesla Bot

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"The bot is 5 feet, 8 inches tall and weighs 125 pounds. It can carry up to 45 pounds and deadlift up to 150 pounds, according to a presentation about Tesla Bot. It can also move up to 5 miles per hour."

Reminds me of the robot in The Day The Earth Stood Still

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...s-humanoid-robot/ar-AANxDAr?ocid=winp1taskbar
 

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Can a robot press charges if someone molested it?

Asking for a friend.....
 
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I'm just going to call absolute B*llsh*T right now.
Considering how much trouble Boston Dynamics had just getting robots to walk and the decades and billions required to do so Elon will either have to steal the technology or he's so far out of the game as to have effectively no chance.

Typical Elon promise though. "I'm going to make Data from Star Trek" turns into "I'm going to automate a forklift and call it humanlike."
 

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Remember that scene of ED-209 trying to walk down the stairs in Robocop? Yeah, like that..............
 

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And some people wonder why I think we should have high powered weapons...

I'll take a phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range.
40 watt? You want... a .22LR? That's high-powered?
Jesus, here I am wanting a .07c mag rail rifle... and the suit that keeps me from getting flash-fried with shattered arms.

(don't ask for a light-speed weapon. After about .4c the round basically turns the air into a nuclear detonation)
 
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Just like their cars I expect quality issues with this Tesla bot such as panel gaps, paint flecks, and murder!
 

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"The bot is 5 feet, 8 inches tall and weighs 125 pounds. It can carry up to 45 pounds and deadlift up to 150 pounds, according to a presentation about Tesla Bot. It can also move up to 5 miles per hour."

Reminds me of the robot in The Day The Earth Stood Still



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...s-humanoid-robot/ar-AANxDAr?ocid=winp1taskbar

This is what you do when the media and shareholders finally realize you've been lying about FSD for 8 years, the semi is not working out, and the cybertruck isn't even out of design stages.
 

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I'm just going to call absolute B*llsh*T right now.
Considering how much trouble Boston Dynamics had just getting robots to walk and the decades and billions required to do so Elon will either have to steal the technology or he's so far out of the game as to have effectively no chance.

Typical Elon promise though. "I'm going to make Data from Star Trek" turns into "I'm going to automate a forklift and call it humanlike."
The robots that the companies are building have different builds if you will. Tesla seems to be geared towards easy manual labor while Boston Dynamics has their robot trying to do tricks and such. I do. Ot know the engineering, but doing the tricks seems like it would take much more engineering than simply lifting stuff.
 

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So it can't carry any more than your typical human? What good is it, then?
 

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So it can't carry any more than your typical human? What good is it, then?
Clearly this is all in effort to eventually have state of the art *ahem* "relationship" robots. Do you need your robot girlfriend to carry you to the bed?
 

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The robots that the companies are building have different builds if you will. Tesla seems to be geared towards easy manual labor while Boston Dynamics has their robot trying to do tricks and such. I do. Ot know the engineering, but doing the tricks seems like it would take much more engineering than simply lifting stuff.
You have some serious engineering misconceptions here...
Firstly those "tricks" are part of mapping movement. If the robot can't move it cant operate. The first unexpected terrain element and it fails thus ending whatever job it was assigned to doing and requiring a human to intervene(non-optimal for a work replacement design).

Second, a purely human-shaped robot for labour is a gigantic mark of "I don't have a clue" from musk. Most of the difficulty in labour is due to the shape of the human body. Ever wondering why carrying heavy loads hurts your feet? Just because you CAN doesn't mean it's DESIGNED to do that job. Nature is the universe's best engineer but she designs for reliability and adaptability. Designing a robot to match nature is stupid. Nature is better. Designing a robot to selectively do things we can do better(like lifting) is sane and has useful applications.

If musk wanted to make an actual labour bot it would be something that packs into a tiny space, would have far more than 2 legs+2 arms, and would look more like a spider or ant than anything human-like. The "It can lift 150lbs" thing is also just horseshit. It's a USELESS metric. If you are using drones to do labour you have the capacity to use SWARM DRONES and have UNLIMITED LIFT. Only Musk would be dumb enough to think "labour/construction bot" and go "single platform human-like".

Human-like bots have a purpose... but it is NOT labour related.(or exclusively sex-related... get your mind out of the gutter :D )
 

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You have some serious engineering misconceptions here...
Firstly those "tricks" are part of mapping movement. If the robot can't move it cant operate. The first unexpected terrain element and it fails thus ending whatever job it was assigned to doing and requiring a human to intervene(non-optimal for a work replacement design).

Second, a purely human-shaped robot for labour is a gigantic mark of "I don't have a clue" from musk. Most of the difficulty in labour is due to the shape of the human body. Ever wondering why carrying heavy loads hurts your feet? Just because you CAN doesn't mean it's DESIGNED to do that job. Nature is the universe's best engineer but she designs for reliability and adaptability. Designing a robot to match nature is stupid. Nature is better. Designing a robot to selectively do things we can do better(like lifting) is sane and has useful applications.

If musk wanted to make an actual labour bot it would be something that packs into a tiny space, would have far more than 2 legs+2 arms, and would look more like a spider or ant than anything human-like. The "It can lift 150lbs" thing is also just horseshit. It's a USELESS metric. If you are using drones to do labour you have the capacity to use SWARM DRONES and have UNLIMITED LIFT. Only Musk would be dumb enough to think "labour/construction bot" and go "single platform human-like".

Human-like bots have a purpose... but it is NOT labour related.(or exclusively sex-related... get your mind out of the gutter :D )
Looks like he is making it to do small manual labor. If you have some idea what its supposed to replace, please share it.
 

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Looks like he is making it to do small manual labor. If you have some idea what its supposed to replace, please share it.
Ok fine. This question could be answered with a few quick googles but I will bite. There are already humanoid robots that do this. They suck. They are not used except by an idiot or for bad PR.

First, let's go full education mode just to make sure there are absolutely no miscommunications. Firm foundations yield knowledge transfer potential.

Define manual labour? In this do we mean, as you suggest, just moving boxes? Shelf picking/packing? Truck loading? Manual labour at a job site for construction such as but not limited to lifting bags of product to put into machines like concrete? Moving completed frames into position for workers to install?

Unfortunately, all of these definitions are partially incorrect by being grossly incomplete. Manual labor is defined as work done with physical(human) work. This is moving an object or using mechanical force to do work. In short by definition manual labour is both the stock boys' job and the ironworkers' job. These two things are completely different tasks that are all done with the same 180lb average human frame and are called "manual labour".

Human robotics are nowhere near capable of doing that breadth of work. Period. Dot. End. The material science, battery technology, and computational technology are not there yet to do the entire scope of work.

So what do we do? We specialize robots to do part of the task and then focus the design exclusively on that singular job. Let's take a look at automated warehouses and the number of robots contained therein. Please note the average person will generally consider a warehouse as the height of automated manual labour.

AGV(automated guided vehicle)
AMR(autonomous mobile robots)
UAV(unmanned aerial vehicle)
Pick/Pack(or AS/RS or whatever name you want to apply to a fixed robotic arm)
Goods to Person
Sorting decks
etc.

They look like:
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Notice how amazingly specialized they are?

Notice how they run on wheels and not legs?
Why is this?
Wheels require very little computer power. They are easier to measure distance with. They are cheaper to maintain and operate. They are cheaper to build. They are more precise with today's computational power. They are highly adaptable and versatile to almost any environment.
Why the single powerful arm?
Two hands are nice. They are also inefficient. Load balancing between two arms isn't as safe or as quick as a single powerful arm with a single powerful grip. Again more work is done for less cost.

Why do you not want your lifting robot to also be your carrying robot for small loads?
It's inefficient. You waste a big powerful system to do tiny tasks. It's superior to make a carrying robot that can carry far more than your loading robot ever could. This carries over to everything.
A person is agile. A forklift is less so but it can carry more. A truck is even less agile but can carry significantly more. A train is the penultimate carrying many things but only in a very specific way.
See how hierarchy makes robotics more useful? A single platform robs the entire system and costs more in both material, time, and treasure.

The design tesla wants to use(and others have already done) is AWEFUL for efficiency.
Work per hour.
Work per dollar.
Work per lb.
Doesn't matter how you slice it it's a terrible design for manual labour.

What are humanoid bots good for?
Human interactions. A hospital orderly done in human bots might be slower... but the psychological effects of seeing human people is a known net positive to health care. Murder cockroaches changing bed linens wouldn't be good here even if they would be more efficient.

I know there is this big desire for N5 type robots but in reality, they are terrible and will always be terrible. By the time they can do everything humans can do and have the processing ability to handle multiple jobs with enough variation to not be a burden rather than a boon our material science will have advanced far enough to remove the need for building them. They are a want. Nothing about them is "good" for robotics.
(note this does not include PARTS of human or animal functions)
 

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If we assume the robot costs 100,000 dollars and had the dexterity and reasoning to cook hamburgers ($15 an hour), it would take 277 days to pay for itself. And that is just for wages -no social security, workman's comp, uniforms, diversity training or sick days.
And if it can clean the bathrooms of a fast food place, it would be worth 50 an hour.
 

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If we assume the robot costs 100,000 dollars and had the dexterity and reasoning to cook hamburgers ($15 an hour), it would take 277 days to pay for itself. And that is just for wages -no social security, workman's comp, uniforms, diversity training or sick days.
And if it can clean the bathrooms of a fast food place, it would be worth 50 an hour.
A robotic arm in an industrial setting costs between 25k and 500k for just the arm. No software. No maint. No training. No computer control. Just the ARM.
You can assume 2.5%/ Cost or 10k/year for a roundabout maint figure for the ARM itself.
You can assume operational lifespan before refurb/replace of 100k operational hours.
Honestly, in real life, you don't assume you have 100% uptime either.

If the cost of the unit is less than 350k it won't be able to walk a dog let alone do a profitable amount of work.
 

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Only Musk would be dumb enough to think "labour/construction bot" and go "single platform human-like".
*shudder* I heard a horrifying sound, as if thousands of writers cried out in agony and were suddenly silenced.
 

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Why human form? Size? -> It will work in human designed environments. Wheels and stairs, maybe not the best option. Spyder arms, probably to cumbersome and unpredictable with the humans working by. There are many reasons why one would design a human robot -> The best one is that it can work with humans and human environments. Specialized robots, particular tasks etc. human robots probably would be a waste of money. Human robots could go on buses, planes, fit in bathrooms for cleanup, walk around hospitals etc. Can carry and shoot guns (wait!) maybe not a good idea. Work on multiple type of surfaces, like humans can, wonder if they will be able to swim :D.
 

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Why human form? Size? -> It will work in human designed environments. Wheels and stairs, maybe not the best option. Spyder arms, probably to cumbersome and unpredictable with the humans working by. There are many reasons why one would design a human robot -> The best one is that it can work with humans and human environments. Specialized robots, particular tasks etc. human robots probably would be a waste of money. Human robots could go on buses, planes, fit in bathrooms for cleanup, walk around hospitals etc. Can carry and shoot guns (wait!) maybe not a good idea. Work on multiple type of surfaces, like humans can, wonder if they will be able to swim :D.
The first series used rubber skin, they were easy to spot...
 
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