The FCC Has Repealed Net Neutrality

HaHa good! And all the leftists cry...Boo Hoo. :cry: :LOL: Was the internet unaffordable and a disaster pre so called "Net Neutrality"? :smuggrin: That's before 2015 for those of you that don't pay attention.
 
Kongar said:
We were screwed regardless of the decision. Doesn't matter what the laws say - corporations are in control and they'd do whatever they wanted anyway...
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Yep. Government and corporations always find some creative way to screw people over.
 
I prefer having privacy any anti-competitive regulations. This is why companies like Google really wanted net neutrality, it made them unregulated entities, and they got so many people to cheer this on it was sickening.

In connection with its adoption of net neutrality rules, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) issued a decision in 2015 reclassifying broadband Internet access service from a Title I information service to a Title II common carrier service.

The testimony notes that the FTC has jurisdiction to protect consumers and maintain competition in most sectors of the economy but does not have authority over common carrier activities. In light of this, the FCC’s 2015 reclassification decision resulted in the FTC losing jurisdiction over the provision of Internet access service.
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https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/pre...s-house-judiciary-subcommittee-net-neutrality
 
VanGoghComplex said:
My jaw is agape at all the "free market conservatives" cheering this sack of horseshit. The free market works when there's competition. ISPs have little to no competition.

If you've ever taken Econ-101, you'd understand instantly why this is a bad deal.
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If you read some history you'd understand this has very little to do with net neutrality. Local and state governments (R and D) sold out those monopolies, A LONG TIME AGO.
 
Gasaraki_ said:
Stop living in a dream world. Wireless access doesn't have physical monopolies yet they are way more expensive. Now terrestrial ISPs will just follow wireless ISP and charge you for plans like "30Mb/s, 350GB a month limit but Netflix is free for only $80 a month".
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I'm skeptical. How can you explain all these types of predictions not having already come to fruition pre 2015?

All we need now is local legislation to open up that last mile to everyone. After all, the vast majority of it was built with tax payer dollars
 
tangoseal said:
So then how was Net Neutrality going to help? Go read the bill then come back and comment. No talking points please.

If I want to buy a gun through Google shopping. I CANT because they have censored completely my ability to do such process even though it's perfectly legal to use an FFL transfer.

Why are conservatives having thier videos pulled from youtube because the videos go against liberal snowflake ideaology? Net Neutrality does nothing to prevent censorship and control of what data your allowed to see. Its a fucking joke.
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wtf? You want to buy a gun online? in what fucking world is that even in the realm of a good idea. smh. (I'm a fricken gun owner as well).

Net Neutrality helped by limiting power of the ISP over content prevention and throttling. God I hope that the "market conservatives" here, aka "Turmp's "conservatives"" (quotes cause a market conservative would understand this is a bad thing) have all of their favorite far right content removed by their ISP. It would be a gloriously ironic ending to this entire thing.

What you all aren't getting is that we WANT you to have access to what you want and the thought that a completely vertically integrated telecom industry will not limit that is incredibly short sighted. Comcast. Verizon. Disney/Fox will likely invest in ISP. Control is coming. And not from the big bad government, but from what owns the government - corporation.

Edit: Oh and you should look up the political affiliations with the organizations that will have control. Unfortunately Fox (sorry Disney lol), Breitbart, and Daily Stormer don't have a horse in this race.
 
Oh noes! the internet was totally aol with their '90's packages pre-2015! Pfft, no it wasn't. I remember the internet was cheaper and more unlimited with no data shaping before that time.
 
All Trump is doing is draining the political swamp into the corporate swamp and America is eating it up. Look at stock prices since his inauguration. I've gained more in my 401K in the past year than I have in the previous 15. Removing net neutrality is just part of that plan. Problem is the bubble is going to eventually burst.
 
arestavo said:
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Back to pre-2015 baby. Now it's time to end government interference for physical internet connections so we can get some real fucking competition for internet access!

Then it won't matter if Comsuck (or equivalent in your area) decides to throttle this, or charge more for that. Just say "FUCK YOU!" and go with a competitor.

HACK THE PLANET! HACK THE PLAAAAAANET!
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What if the other two competitors (if you're lucky) match the pricing scheme?
Hmmm?
Starting to see why this is bad yet?
Hmm?
 
I would just like to post, that anyone who thinks this is fine, or this is a return to a previous state of the internet is ignorant, and very cute in their innocence
 
Gasaraki_ said:
Canada has shitty ISPs and wireless carriers. Canada is worst than the US.
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Do you enjoy gigabit internet for less than 100 bucks?
I don't think so, but we don't have it as good as the rest of the world.
This is something you should have considered at least a little bit before pushing a comment like this.
 
tangoseal said:
Umm they always have controlled the internet are you kidding me?

You guys act like the world is going to end. YouTube and Google and Amazon and etc... already regulate what Information you see. What comes up in searches, meta data, political ideology they dont agree with is full censored. Y'all act like this wasn't happening.

This is good news because now the FCC knows that this will force Congress to finally legislate on what the Internet is. The FCC has no constitutional authority to legislate and the net neutrality boondoggle was an impossible monster and it was loaded with backdoor fluff that in time will enable future admins and communist/socialist ideologues to completely dictate the internet through the hidden powers that so called act preserved for later use.

As a general statement...
You guys need to ACTUALLY read the actual Net Neutrality act to understand. It's like Pelosi said Obama's Insurance company written unaffordable bankrupt the nation healthcare act... "You got to pass the bill to see what's in it". Yes Obamacare was written by the Insurance Lobby. Net N. Was written by the big mega ISPs.

All anyone here has shown is that what they know about net neutrality is nothing more than the regurgitated social media talking points.

We're you guys not pissed when Obama just handed over ICANN to the EU? But no one here probably even k ow that America doesnt even control the Internet anymore. It was handed to the EU, the most socialist control oligarchy on the planet. Not there is some real uninformed emotions rolling on here right now.
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If you think nothing has changed in the control ISPs have over the internet, you're a moron.
 
I just signed up for a VPN a couple months ago. It works pretty well, but there are a couple snags. Besides Netflix, there are a couple banks that block popular VPNs. Some sites want to update your timezone [for that site]. Some web email providers have a spaz about location change, so make sure you know your security Q&As.
 
Im so tired of the posts by megalith. What happened to to the [H] I used to know? You know, the one that existed just fine on the internet for 15 years BEFORE your so called Net Neutrality.

Here is a tip... corporations are not the enemy. They make the products we love and provide millions of jobs. And guess what... they have always owned the internet. Thats why it is so great, it was unobstructed by government control. Now its great again.
 
Kalabalana said:
Wrong, one side actually put laws in place to prevent this, this was repealed today.

You are embarrassingly delusional.
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You are embarrasingly ignorant. The FCC is an unelected body of bureacrats who have no authority to write law. Laws are written by congress.
 
docmal said:
Im so tired of the posts by megalith. What happened to to the [H] I used to know? You know, the one that existed just fine on the internet for 15 years BEFORE your so called Net Neutrality.

Here is a tip... corporations are not the enemy. They make the products we love and provide millions of jobs. And guess what... they have always owned the internet. Thats why it is so great, it was unobstructed by government control. Now its great again.
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Let me know how you feel about that after your ISP blocks your access to this site unless you add a Forum Package!! ($4.99/month unless we feel like it should be more expensive!) to your subscription to their services.
 
Kalabalana said:
What if the other two competitors (if you're lucky) match the pricing scheme?
Hmmm?
Starting to see why this is bad yet?
Hmm?
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Price fixing has always been illegal and still is.

TrashBear said:
lmbo, corporations will always be the enemy, get that corporate cock out of your mouth.

corporations destroy society, destroy the environment, and destroy the world.

are you a russian bot or just a dumb fucker?
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So i take it you don't use anything these evil corporations have created? Get real.
 
repealed a "solution" for a "problem" that never existed. whats the issue?
 
A bunch of drama queens. Is there anything that isn't considered the end of the world these days?
 
Speaking of slow things ... Make Internet Access Terrific Again
 
haste. said:
I love that the same people that were complaining that the government created monopolies in telecom are now praising the removal of NN because there will be competition. It makes zero sense. If it is monopolies, where does the competition come from?

Let's sit down and think about what you are posting prior to posting instead of just post for the sake of your ideology because of something you read earlier on an anti-NN website (we all know who they are). Please.
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Those people might not be able to detect your sarcasm.

If you explain it straight up, they can't swallow their pride and admit they fail to understand the issues at hand. Those people rely on "the grown-ups" to handle complicated matters.

It's easy to incite a rally for the wrong ideals. For example, demonstrate a logic-gap-jumping argument such as "Free capitalism! Deregulation! Small government!" Of course, people don't see past this scary word "regulation" at the true evil without regulation: Many good Americans are currently in support of anti-capitalist practices without even knowing it. E.g. rent-seeking in media giants, which is literally anti-capitalism and a proven nation-killing business practice. When you have massive conglomeration (or an oligopoly) which dominates an industry, it prevents that industry from growing organically. Competition is prevented. People earnestly believe this is healthy. E.g. Millions or even billions of dollars seems like a lot to protect by deregulation. This "Leave the poor corporations alone to thrive!" mentality misses the simple fact that there is potential for trillions of dollars of transactions if we instead restrict companies from these rent-seeking, industry limiting practices and allow the industry to grow organically through competition.

So by all means, vote for simplification of government so that new competitors have a chance in hell at developing a network. And for the love of fuck, vote to regulate the power and control corporations have over that network so that it becomes a medium for commerce, rather than a proprietary resource.
 
velusip said:
Those people might not be able to detect your sarcasm.

If you explain it straight up, they can't swallow their pride and admit they fail to understand the issues at hand. Those people rely on "the grown-ups" to handle complicated matters.

It's easy to incite a rally for the wrong ideals. For example, demonstrate a logic-gap-jumping argument such as "Free capitalism! Deregulation! Small government!" Of course, people don't see past this scary word "regulation" at the true evil without regulation: Many good Americans are currently in support of anti-capitalist practices without even knowing it. E.g. rent-seeking in media giants, which is literally anti-capitalism and a proven nation-killing business practice. When you have massive conglomeration (or an oligopoly) which dominates an industry, it prevents that industry from growing organically. Competition is prevented. People earnestly believe this is healthy. E.g. Millions or even billions of dollars seems like a lot to protect by deregulation. This "Leave the poor corporations alone to thrive!" mentality misses the simple fact that there is potential for trillions of dollars of transactions if we instead restrict companies from these rent-seeking, industry limiting practices and allow the industry to grow organically through competition.

So by all means, vote for simplification of government so that new competitors have a chance in hell at developing a network. And for the love of fuck, vote to regulate the power and control corporations have over that network so that it becomes a medium for commerce, rather than a proprietary resource.
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This concerns me greatly so I have danced around the forums tonight trying to at least shine some light on the issue - I am unapologetically (word?) sarcastic, but often it seems to trigger emotional response from the other side... which I admit I should be mature enough to not fall into.

I work in FI on a senior team and for years have complained about CFPB regulation. The department is made up of no one that understands the industry and typically over-regulates - especially hurting smaller Credit Unions and Community Banks while the mega-banks are unscathed. This causes mergers and the reduction in small FI's that wish to take care of their members/customers due to compliance and regulatory pressures. That said we should not be deregulating at a pace that we are in ANY circumstance (or cut taxes for the rich and corporation for that matter). We are opening up the corporation to decide how to do business without any protections for the consumer. Political ideology is blinding a great number of people to not look into what is occurring and I truly fear what the outcome of this may be a few years down the line.

Like I said I would love some analysis of the benefit of CFPB rules, a public forum, and then possibly some rollback, but what is happening now is scary.
 
Despotes said:
HaHa good! And all the leftists cry...Boo Hoo. :cry: :LOL: Was the internet unaffordable and a disaster pre so called "Net Neutrality"? :smuggrin: That's before 2015 for those of you that don't pay attention.
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Just because you haven't been the victim of the bullshit it is trying to protect against doesn't mean there shouldn't be a law to protect against it. Otherwise we would have shit like cruise ships ditching life boats to maximize space and efficiency or cars without airbags. Unfortunately the internet in the US is run by a hegemony of very few, very powerful companies that have no desire to really compete, deregulation isn't going to solve the issue as they are already too big to compete with. Giving them the freedom to do this is asking for trouble.
 
I find it interesting that the right wingers are celebrating this as a win over the left, but what exactly have they won?

The right to pay more for internet? The right to get nickeled and dimed? I'm not really sure how any CONSUMER could call this a victory. All it does is allow:

1) The ISPs to dictate what you can view/download with the service you're already paying for
2) Blackmail companies into paying them money for bandwidth that you're already paying for
 
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