And what noun do you propose to put in place of those.
Because I 100% agree with you. But it shouldn't just be minorities or women in place of those, f you replace those with "Trump Supporters", you are no better.
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And what noun do you propose to put in place of those.
Because I 100% agree with you. But it shouldn't just be minorities or women in place of those, f you replace those with "Trump Supporters", you are no better.
But they aren't in power. They're nothing. They're a tiny pimple on societies ass.
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The thing is, I'm not looking to run an anti-Semitic web site, so no, I guess I'm not too concerned that The DS had to get another ISP. I'm sorry, I just am not going to vigorously support a belief system that committed genocide on such a large and brutal scale and though it was an great thing to do and fought half the world to do it.
I left it open ended and put it in italics on purpose.
Everyone will substitute that word with their own fitting noun.
I don't mean to get all cheesy here but, really, we're all to blame because apparently society today has forgotten that we're all human just trying to be.
It really is a shitty thing for anyone to harbor any ill will towards people they've never met based on a simple set of criteria such as: gender, country of origin, political view, or ethnicity. I'm not saying there aren't shitty people but people should always be judged individually and after knowing who they are.
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If that is the case today that didn't come about by simply ignoring them.
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Terrorist propaganda is now being censored and removed from services so why not White fascist rhetoric that seems to target minorities and espouse violence?
Semantics
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GoDaddy doesn't want to be associated with DS, nothing wrong with that. Freedom of speech is just censorship from the government, private entities are free to dissociate all they want. One sided user agreements aren't anything new, good old tort reforms made sure of that.
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Yup and while I do agree with that yet what I am seeing is that ISIS supporters, BLM supporters and Antifa supporters are giving a free pass and is ALLOWED to spew, torch, burn, murder, riot and the list goes on. Funny on how that all works out huh........... Pretty funny on how they can be hosted and just go on as if nothing is wrong.
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depends what you mean by espousing violence.
Inciting violence is already illegal. Espousing violence could be as simple as "I think everyone should get a gun for self defense" or "Remember to protect yourself"
There is a big distinction between the two.
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The name of DS comes from a Nazi Germany publication whose publisher was executed after WW II for crimes against humanity. The very name of this web site is anti-Semitic. This constant desire to create fake equivalence by some is astounding. We're just supposed to ignore neo-Nazis and Confederates. Well ignore everyone then.
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This - in fact, there are people who have been banned from Twitter for merely reporting Isis, Antifa, and BLM feeds as hate speech, when anyone seeing video X can easily see it is indeed a violation of the Terms of Service, if Twitter so chose to adhere to it.
Want to bring up the ultimate mind-screw to those easily triggered?
Point out that the Nazis weren't right wing at all - they were a Socialist party, and privately, Hitler hated Christians as much as anyone else. So what was Charlottesville really? Leftwing socialist Neo-Nazis vs Left-Wing communist Antifa. Literally the left eating their own...
Don't misunderstand me, I think the site, the people behind it, and anyone who agrees with neo-nazi / white supremecist rhetoric are fucking stupid.
With that out of the way... tough shit. I've had to listen to WAY too fucking much BLM / antifa / muslim extremist bullshit lately (all while being told if i don't agree I'm "intolerant" since the dipshits that buy into this don't understand the concept of tolerance) to give godaddy a pass. Either they start purging all their domains containing BLM, 'extreme islam', radicalized lgbtuvwxyz, etc. bullshit or I'm calling shenanigans. You don't get to have it both ways, either companies can choose who to do business with based on their own ideologies, or they cant. If a baker is legally forced to provide services to blacks and women against their will (not sure if this is really an issue, but all the press about the baker not making a gay wedding cake has me thinking about bakers) then godaddy and google need to be forced to provide services to some dipshit white supremecist. Also Catholics need to provide abortions, muslim restaurants need to serve pork, and black laundromats need to tailor kkk costumes.
OR... people need to deal with the fact that not everyone agrees with them. There are even dumb-asses who will judge you based solely on the color of your skin, the gender of your sexual partners, and the organized religion you follow (or don't). Don't like it? IGNORE THEM.
Life isn't fair. Deal with it.
With that out of the way... tough shit. I've had to listen to WAY too fucking much BLM / antifa / muslim extremist bullshit lately (all while being told if i don't agree I'm "intolerant" since the dipshits that buy into this don't understand the concept of tolerance) to give godaddy a pass. Either they start purging all their domains containing BLM, 'extreme islam', radicalized lgbtuvwxyz, etc. bullshit or I'm calling shenanigans. You don't get to have it both ways, either companies can choose who to do business with based on their own ideologies, or they cant. If a baker is legally forced to provide services to blacks and women against their will (not sure if this is really an issue, but all the press about the baker not making a gay wedding cake has me thinking about bakers) then godaddy and google need to be forced to provide services to some dipshit white supremecist. Also Catholics need to provide abortions, muslim restaurants need to serve pork, and black laundromats need to tailor kkk costumes.
OR... people need to deal with the fact that not everyone agrees with them. There are even dumb-asses who will judge you based solely on the color of your skin, the gender of your sexual partners, and the organized religion you follow (or don't). Don't like it? IGNORE THEM.
Life isn't fair. Deal with it.
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Huh? The name of the rally was "Unite the Right" and they were there to protest the removal of the Bobby Lee monument and renaming of the park.
It's a sad state of affairs these days for the perpetrators of hate to play the victim. "So we can't say XYZ but they can say ABC"?
When framed that way, they'll always be the 'right in the wrong' when clearly, flying a Nazi flag, is in the wrong.
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You guys really haven't read these Nazi/Confederate web sites. Of course there lots of bigotry to go around but the particular brand that's on DS, again, named after a Nazi Germany publication whose publisher was executed for war crimes against humanity. DS is in another league from run of the mill bigotry.
You should get a subscription so we can have you in the Soapbox
So if it was "Unite the Right", and they were protesting the removal of a monument, what were the left, and ANTIFA doing there throwing urine and paint at people for?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...e-virginia-white-supremacist-rally/561939001/
You would have been real popular during the Civil Rights movement.
I'll say it for the third time:
If your solution is to ignore them then you're pretty apathetic to current state of affairs and really aren't bringing anything to the table one way or the other.
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BLM, a movement that grew out of police violence is the SAME as Nazism that perpetuated on a mass scale some of the greatest atrocities in human history. Sure.
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Yeah but that driving a car into a crowd took the show. Neo-Nazis and Confederates, there's just a lot of hate for these groups and has been for a long time. I'm not going to do this stuff but yeah, I don't care for people who think I'm not human. Not exactly sure how that's my fault.
Intolerance is a way of life in the Pacific Northwest which is why I moved from there. Couldn't stand the white supremacist leftist BS any longer. What happens now and has happened in Portland and Seattle is much worse than what happened in Charlottesville, yet, little outrage due to the political persuasion of the people who live there.
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How exactly is this leftist? These guys don't like the Democratic Party. They certainly were not identifying with the left or Democrats. David Duke expressly pointed that out.
Here's the thing, I don't care what bullshit they're spouting (also, I don't need that shit in my life. So no, I'm not going to click on their site). Either the laws treat minorities equally or it's a bad joke (and if you don't think the whole white supremacy thing is a minority you need more help than I can give you). The idea that a company is legally able to deny service to one minority but not another is appalling. I don't think anyone is defending these shitbirds, but if the government is going to protect minorities then it needs to protect ALL minorities - even these ones. Unless we're all cool with the government deciding which minorities are worth protection.... not like the U.S government has a history of repressing (or God forbid enslaving) any minorities... right?!
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The web site's name is inherently anti-Semitic so you can't make the argument that this is just some run of the mill minority group. It is expressly using a name created by a guy that was EXECUTED for war crimes. Why would GoDaddy or anyone private concern HAVE to do business with something that's inherently racist?
I love all you posters talking free speech blah blah blah. This is an example of free speech. They were able to post without government intervention. A commercial enterprise disagrees with the hateful bigotry being spewed and terminated the relationship hence free market. Wtf do you want? Keep twisting if it doesn't match your ideology? Smfh. Sad, really...
Go Daddy's biggest problem is that they gave a reason. They didn't have to (See below), and they shouldn't have. They should have simply said "We are canceling your service, here is your money back, you have 24 hours to move along."
By giving a reason they opened themselves up to criticism of their reason. No reason = DS having to make assumptions, then accusations based on those assumptions. And that doesn't have nearly the legs of iffy reasons.
GoDaddy TOS:
GoDaddy reserves the right to modify, change, or discontinue any aspect of this Site or the Services, including without limitation prices and fees for the same, at any time.
By giving a reason they opened themselves up to criticism of their reason. No reason = DS having to make assumptions, then accusations based on those assumptions. And that doesn't have nearly the legs of iffy reasons.
GoDaddy TOS:
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We should be very worried of ANYONE having DNS or domain registration pulled, or "technicalities" exploited, simply because someone doesn't like their content. If it can be done to neo-nazi's and KKKs, then it can be done to anyone and for that reason we can't accept it.
This also brings up some elements of problems with domain registration (and to a lesser extent DNS) regarding the fact that registrars/hosts end up in aggregate acting as a gateway or almost as a "utility "- you can't have a reasonably working website without their services to expose your content to the rest of the Internet. Much like ISPs, you can't always just "go somewhere else" if you find one or a few registrars decide to discriminate based on content, so this brings up the argument that like ISPs, registrars should perhaps be regulated like utilities so that they can't end up blocking what we consider "full" access to the web (in the spirit of the thing, if not the letter) by refusing to register domains.
This also brings up some elements of problems with domain registration (and to a lesser extent DNS) regarding the fact that registrars/hosts end up in aggregate acting as a gateway or almost as a "utility "- you can't have a reasonably working website without their services to expose your content to the rest of the Internet. Much like ISPs, you can't always just "go somewhere else" if you find one or a few registrars decide to discriminate based on content, so this brings up the argument that like ISPs, registrars should perhaps be regulated like utilities so that they can't end up blocking what we consider "full" access to the web (in the spirit of the thing, if not the letter) by refusing to register domains.
The first step to solving a problem is to admit there is a problem.
Ignoring them is like admitting there is no problem or, even worse, admitting there is a problem that isn't worth your time because it doesn't affect you.
Violence is never the answer. Neither is silence.
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Daily Storm's name comes from Der Stürmer. We're not talking about anyone or anything here, we're talking about a reference to a publication that helped in the extermination of millions of Jews. It seems like a lot of people are defending stuff they haven't bothered to take even a cursory look at.
That's the thing, in the scope of these cosplay Nazi morons, there is no problem. They do nothing, they hold no power, they have no numbers, they are a bunch of nothings.
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So why get upset when a private company decides that don't want to host a web site that's named after a publication that help promote the Holocaust? Just ignore that one.
Funny, I think you would have had plenty of company during the Civil Rights movement.
If your solution is for the government to allow the repression of a minority then I'm sorry to say we've tried that already in the US. If you add a few words you can re-purpose those "Whites Only" signs into "Non White-Supremacists Only" signs and start hanging them up around restaurants, domain registrars, and hosting companies.
The problem that I have (and I'm guessing plenty of other people have) is this: If Godaddy terminated their (ds) contract because the site was run by blacks or women they'd be in a world of legal hurt. Either force companies to provide services to ALL minorities (even stupid ones like this) or don't force them to provide services to ANY. Try to ignore the message of the butthurt neo-nazis for a minute and ask yourself, why is a lady in California being fined and subjected to public service for denying service to people based on their race, religion, or ideology while godaddy and google can do the same with no punishment?
Because white supremacy isn't just tied to the right - it's also tied to the left. God knows Portland/Seattle are about as left-wing as you can get politically and the history of how blacks have been treated there would make the KKK proud. Those cities also happen to be some of the whitest cities in the US. Oregon, for example, is the only US state where blacks were forbidden to live by law at one point.
This was done on purpose. A company makes a deliberate decision like this because they determined that the criticism will be completely outweighed by the positive publicity.
Again, companies are sleezy entities that only speak money. They have no dog in any fight until it makes financial sense for them.
They never had an issue with it before.................. Even defended it at one time.
Yes.. you've mentioned where they got their name from. Thank you, can we move on from that point now?
You're right. They really are nothings. I agree with that.
But just like anything, if enough of these nothings are out in the open, the real extreme somethings will escalate things to horrible levels.
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Certainly race matters are tied to political affiliations but the most pernicious forms of anti-black racism have traditionally been in the conservative spectrum though sure liberal havens have had a lot of de facto racism forever. Some of the most violent demonstrations against the Civil War were in NYC. There ain't a lot of love for Bobby Lee or the Confederacy outside of the south. Beyond the issue of slavery the whole secession thing left a sour taste outside of the Confederacy.
Kind of like what's happening with ANTIFA?
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That name should tell anyone what that site is about and that this is FAR from a simple matter of free speech.
Ok...while calling White Supremacists a minority is semantically correct, you are outright out of line with this equivalency for reasons I should not have to explain.
Wow.
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