The All-New Razer Blade 15

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  1. StryderxX

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    Have you guys checked out Razer's new Razer Blade 15? It looks like the perfect gaming laptop but the price is steep! It's sporting a new 15.6" display with minimal bezels (no G-Sync), the 6 core Intel i7 8750H processor, Nvidia 1070 MaxQ GPU, up to 32gb of memory and weighs about 4.5lbs.

    Check out the links:

    https://www.razer.com/gaming-laptops/razer-blade

    https://www.pcworld.com/article/3274652/laptop-computers/hands-on-razer-blade-gaming-laptop.html

    https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...lay-gaming-laptop-nvidia-max-q-redesign-intel

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  2. Absalom

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    About time. Finally filling in that screen size gap between the 14" and 17" models. Hopefully this doesn't inherit the atrocious mechanical key design of the current 17". Seriously, fuck those keys.

    On the other hand, while a larger 15.6" screen is welcome, I'm a bit on the fence regarding the offered native resolutions. While 144 Hz is nice and all (G-Sync would have been icing on the cake here), 1080p is a bit on the low size for a 15.6" real estate. And 4k, while rediculously overkill on a 14", is still overkill on a 15.6" screen. A QHD option would have been perfect. I never ended up using the touchscreen feature on my old 14" because, you know, fingerprints.

    Also, a 1070 is a 2 year old part. It's almost motive enough to wait a little bit longer for the next Blade 15" revision.
     
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    Looks absolutely awesome.

    I've got an Aero 15x and an MSI GS65 in the house. I like the Aero quite a lot, i'm very disappointed in the GS65. Hopefully the Blade is the winner for me.
     
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    I'll have to say that I like everything about it except the lack of G-Sync.

    It's very unfortunate that a method has not been found to implement VRR on external GPUs in laptops while also preserving power-saving functions, which I understand was the reasoning behind the lack of G-Sync here.
     
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    Other manufacturers are offering laptops with the option to switch between Optimum and G-Sync. Razer has no excuse not to do it here. Laptops are where adaptive sync is needed the most. Shit, even Apple implements it on their iPad Pros.
     
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    Well, I understand why they didn't implement G-Sync- so now we get to ask why they didn't implement the switching feature :)
     
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    Looks like a quite a few premium laptops are coming into this space. 6 core + 1070 maxq and a 1080p 144 hz LCD is a killer combo
     
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    IDK if i want the RB15 or the MSI or gigabyte laptops. You pay hella premium for razer but its such a nice laptop... I had a terrible experience with my RB14 2014 where my GPU started dying 15 months after purchase and razer told me to suck it with a 1000 bill. Apparently im not the only one with this problem.
     
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    I really like the new Gigabyte model
     
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    I got the new Razer Blade 15 w/ 1070. Its badass. The only real complaint is the idiotic keyboard layout with the UP ARROW key to the let of the RIGHT SHIFT KEY. Other than that its everything I dreamed of in a potable gaming laptop. Elegant design (except for the embarrassing logo), a nice trackpad, GORGEOUS 144hz screen, and the performance to back all of it up. I've been playing Wolfenstein 2: New Colossus maxed out and I've never seen it go below 100FPS. Its a thing o beauty.
     
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    I like Razer- reminds me of VGHS which I'll admit to enjoying lol
     
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    Pics and review would be great if you have the time! :)
     
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    Currently traveling but when I get some down time I’ll try to throw something together.
     
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    I heard people complaining about horrible backlight bleed and horrible customer support you experience any issues with this laptop? I was debating between that razor and the Gigabyte/msi
     
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    I'll be curious to hear your thoughts. For the most part the build + specs look great, but is it worth paying the premium for when the monitor is just 1080p (albeit 144 Hz)?
     
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    There is some blacklight bleed coming from the bottom bezel. Its only visible on an entirely black screen, and even then its really not bad. If it was, I would exchange it, I dont have much tolerance for glaring QC defects. I can't speak for Razer support as I intentionally removed them from the equation - I purchased the laptop fro the Microsoft Store and also purchased their extended warranty. If I have any issues I only have to bring it to any Microsoft store and they will give me a store credit for the amount I paid for the laptop.

    I was worried about the screen resolution, but as it turns out, its a beautiful screen and the resolution doesn't bother me. The 1080p at 15.6" panel on this laptop is actually a higher Pixels Per Inch (PPI) than the 1440p 27" monitor I use at home. The 1080p resolution is also the sweet spot for the Geforce 1070 Max-Q at higher refresh rates. The display is gorgeous and I can never, NEVER go back to 60hz on a gaming computer.

    Build quality, fit, and finish look and feel to be on par to that of my 2013 rMBP. Only my Surface Book 2 exceeds it. This feels like premium hardware. The trackpad is great, no complaints. I hated the one on the Blade 14.
    The only glaring design flaw I can point out is the non standard keyboard layout - the UP ARROW key being to the left of the RIGHT SHIFT is a pain in the ass when you want to capitalize or when you wanna use a question mark, as there is now a key in between SHIFT and ?. As far as aesthetic design the only thing that feels off to me is the embarrassing Razer logo, which I will soon cover with a skin or sticker. Sadly, the Razer Synapse 3.0 software is not as polished as the hardware, its slow and feels bloated. Its in beta, so I hope it will improve. Otherwise the laptop came free of any software other than whats default to Windows 10.

    I have been getting excellent performance. My Firestrike graphics score is only 2,000 points below that of a full fat desktop Geforce 1070. Every game I have thrown at it runs well above 60fps. Cinebench multicore score is around 1,200 after 5 consecutive runs. This thing is more powerful than the desktop rig I had three years ago, and that was high end. We have come a long way.

    Thermals are a challenge, but I would say it does well all things considered. Remember, this is a 6 core i7 processor and a downclocked 1070, physics will only allow such a small cooling system to deal with the amount of wattage. During normal gaming the CPU seems to hover between 70c to the mid 80c's, and GPU around 75c. PUBG pushes it harder than all other games, HWInfo has logged CPU thermal throttling during PUBG with the CPU approaching 100c. The game runs great with a few quality tweaks to keep the framerate over 80fps and I can't feel any hiccups if thermal throttling is occuring, although I worry about the long term health of the laptop when the temperatures get so hot. I may remove the cooling system and re-paste it, but I suspect that the people who report great success with re-pasting are greatly exaggerating as they never provide any good before and after data. Enthusiasts have always been susceptible to placebo. I may do it just so I can explore the construction of the laptop and if I can reduce the temperature around 5 degrees, I'll be happy. I think Razer did a great job with the new cooler, we are talking over 150 watt of heat dissipation inside a thin and elegant laptop.

    I would say this is the gaming laptop that I have been waiting for years. Its still not perfect. I think the design will truly reach its potential once Intel and NVIDIA release their next more efficient designs or process shrinks. But at this moment with the technology we have right now, this laptop is fantastic and worth buying. I could not say the same for the Blade 14, but Razer has finally nailed it with the 15
     
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    I guess my issue is with such a premium pricing it should have no backlight bleed I also hear people complaining about how hot it gets and that they have to reapply thermal paste. To me that defeats the purpose of paying over 2k for a gaming laptop.
     
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    On mine the backlight bleed is not any worse than any other normal IPS panel I have had. If you simply cannot accept backlight bleed then you are just gonna have to avoid IPS technology entirely.

    It does get hot when you use the Performance mode (it applies an overclock), but under normal mode the temperatures are fine. I benchmarked Deus Ex: Manking Divided and the difference in FPS between Default and Performance mode is 1.5 fps for minimum FPS.

    Regardless of the temperature, the laptop performs fine. Benchmark results are consistent after repeated runs. Gaming performance is steady with no perceptible decreases over time. The temperature is only a problem if you don't like your laptop feeling hot to the touch. In which case, I'm afraid the technology is not there, you may have to wait for the next generation or two of CPU and GPU process shrinks.

    For me, I've been waiting for a long time for a gaming laptop that:

    1.) Doesn't look like shit and is portable. This delivers on that except for the logo which looks like a shitty lower back tattoo. Its as portable as my 2013 Macbook Pro 15", I can't ask for better. In fact, I don't want them to make it any thinner, I want them to fit as big a cooler as they can into this size.

    2.) Has a big screen with a high refresh rate. The screen is simply beautiful. I can't go back to 60hz. I have never noticed the slight backlight bleed during regular use, only when the laptop boots and there is a black screen.

    3.) Has the performance to push that screen. Let me put things into perspective: This thing is faster than a high end desktop PC was 3 years ago. Mine has a higher Firestrike score than the #1 scoring Intel i7-4770K + Geforce 980 score in 3DMark's result database. Let that sink in.

    If you are looking for it to reach its FINAL ULTIMATE FORM, I think its two years away. But for now, for someone like me who is serious into gaming, travels constantly, and can afford it, this thing is great.



    ...and by the way, just for fun, I opened it up and applied Liquid Metal. I'll post results later. So far I'm seeing a 15+ reduction in degrees C.
     
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    If I were gonna spend three grand on a laptop, this would be the one...

    But I do like my 13" ultrabooks :D
     
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    Now i am on the fence. I need a new laptop and i was waiting for this one to be released i was thinking of going with the 4k version coming out in july.
     
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    If you are gonna do content creation the 4k one is the one for you, and presumably the panels are of higher quality so maybe you'll have a better chance of getting one with minimal backlight bleed. I use mine for browsing and gaming so the 144hz panel is a no brainer.
     
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    A picture of the backlight bleed on my panel. Looks a bit worse than in person. I don't ever notice it during normal use.

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    i ended up pulling the trigger on the MSI GS65 it was about $600 cheaper right now. I saw a lot of negative feed back from the new razer lots of people RMAing to the point they ran out of spare laptops for RMA's. I just couldn't justify spending an extra $600 bucks then worrying about the laptop having issues. Bestbuy has a special version of the GS65 with out the killer wireless card instead its intel and $100 bucks cheaper. I can honestly give 2 shits about killer so i pulled the trigger on it. I got 30 days to return it so I will see how it goes if i really hate it i will probably return it and spend the extra for the razer hopefully if that happens they have worked out all the issues by then.
     
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    I ended up picking up the Blade myself. Went through the RMA process 3 times before accepting that there was going to be some backlight bleed on the screens (although the second unit I received was honestly horrible). During daily use, the backlight bleed is not noticeable at 50% brightness, even with a completely back background. It's only noticeable when running it at 100% brightness and in a really dark environment.

    The specs from the GS65 are pretty much the same as the Blade, but I wasnt happy with the build quality of the GS65 when I checked it out at Best Buy. While cheaper than the Blade, the MSI is still pretty pricey. I figured that if I was going to spend this much and use it as a daily driver, I'd just spend the extra money for the build quality of the Blade. What's nice is that there wasn't tax for me when purchasing through the Razer online shop so I got a bit of a "discount" there. However, given how annoying the RMA process was, I wouldn't recommend buying through the online shop unless you're willing to be really patient with support.

    That said, I am satisfied with the Blade. The build quality is great (almost on par with the Macbooks), the keyboard is nice, the trackpad (while a bit large) is accurate. Overall, it's exactly what I wanted - a great daily driver with the ability to enjoy most games.
     
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    That you got it through the RMA process three times and concluded with a satisfied result really says a lot about their RMA process-

    And that people such as yourself were willing to be patient with the RMA service to try and address this single issue with this model says a lot to Razer's product development leadership- maybe they'll take note for the next revision?
     
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    I hope they do, but I wouldn't hold my breath. As a previous poster mentioned, there's going to be backlight bleed on all of these units. It'll have to be a personal decision as to whether or not you can live with the amount in your unit.

    As for the RMA, if you Google "Razer RMA experience", the general consensus is that the process can be frustrating. Objectively, there's nothing really wrong with the way they handle though - you work with the reps to open a RMA, you ship it back with their label, and then they ship you a replacement after they receive and check out your defective unit.

    The frustration arises with the execution.
    The reps themselves are nice and generally easy to talk to, but it seems that they need to refer to other teams to handle decision making. So while the rep might tell you 24 hours for the RMA approval, another team actually has to approve the RMA and process the shipping label (1-2 days). Then the warehouse team has to check out your item and pass the results to the finance team which could take another 2 days. Then you have to hope that a unit is available for you, otherwise they just offer you store credit (for some reason, I couldn't get a refund). Along the way, if you ask for status, they'll just keep repeating the same thing, sometimes asking questions that you've already answered.

    That said, they need to be commended for some things:
    • It's easy to get in touch with a service rep, online chat was available for me early in the morning to late at night (EST)
    • Shipping is as fast as it can be. Return labels are for 2-3 day shipping. New replacements laptops are shipping from Hong Kong, and I was getting it within 4 business days to the east coast.
    The total turnaround was usually 2 weeks - not terrible, but just annoying for a $2K+ device. Patience is required. That said, it seems that others have experienced much worse so YMMV.
     
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    Well, I had to ship my Asus folder across town, for a drive to be replaced- and that took two weeks :D

    I'd be happy with two weeks to the other side of the world back and reasonably communicative support...
     
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    Hah, maybe Apple spoiled me with their support in the past. But hopefully you won't even have to deal with support. :)

    The laptop itself is great, and I'd have no problems recommending it if it's within budget.
     
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    Well, I moved to 13" 2-in-1's (you'll probably see mentions above), and Razer isn't serving that market quite yet, otherwise I would have had a tougher choice!

    [Dell and HP don't serve it well either; both insist on putting lower-powered CPUs in than they put in their 13" laptops- only ASUS matched them this round, and I'd definitely prefer an XPS]
     
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    Ya it was pretty pricey and the metal frame is thinner then you would think the reason being its supposed to keep it lighter then the blade but at the same time there is some flex in the framing it doesn't bother me yet we will see how it goes. My biggest issue is purchasing the blade from razer If i decide to get a blade it will probably through best buy so I can just purchase there warranty and not have to worry about razers RMA processes. The MSI has a great screen and i guess it comes down to slightly better build quality with back light bleed and possibly some other issues or spending $600 less for a thinner bezel. I got 30 days to try it and I am traveling with it next week so i will see how much i really like it.
     
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    Yes, the framing/build is a personal decision. Some people may opt to use USB keyboards/mice for gaming so the flex becomes a non-issue.

    The warranty is definitely a concern, given Razer's track record. I plan on purchasing third party warranty myself.

    I'm not trying to downplay the MSI or even other comparable laptops (Aero 15X/Asus GM501). All of the ones that I've looked at this generation have pros/cons or something that you can personally dislike. It just comes down to personal preference.

    I'm not trying to attack you or anything, but given that you are in the Blade thread, you're talking to people who are owners or strongly considering owning...so there might be some of bias ;).
     
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    Ya no I understand what you are saying. The blade is a much sleeker laptop and if it wasnt for all the QA issues it would have been a no brainer for me. I am still debating, the first world struggle is real. I am hoping in the next 30 days if i do decide to go with razer they work out a lot of the QA issues by then. But I currently also own a razer ultrabook and i love it and its build quality is excellent so the choice is a crazy one. Plus Best Buy has been out of stock and this will give me time to see if i really like the GS65. But I agree %100 that the build quality for the razer is much better and I will probably ultimately go with the razer because spending that much money I want to like the look and feel of the laptop but we will see.


    How is the heat issue on the razer? My MSI does get very hot underneath not when I am gaming so I am having some issues there.
     
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    I can't speak for the other owners, but I'm constantly dealing with sweaty palms. Even during light workloads, the laptop runs pretty warm.
     
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    This was my solution for sweaty palms while gaming:

    http://a.co/8n5cu0d

    Worth every penny. Even if the laptop didn't run warm I would still use this as I like to use the keyboard at an angle without tilting the screen.