The 970 is still a capable card? Heresy

reaper12

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Idk I feel VR list it's steam again. Alyx helped push it big time but there hasn't been anything worthwhile since. Not too mention all the bs with oculus and FB.

The Facebook BS is just that. BS. Since the Quest 2 has been released VR game sales have increased dramatically. Games like Pistol whip and Beat Saber are seeing a 10x increase in sales since the Quest 2 launched.
 

reaper12

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Yeah that basically cancelled my plans to get into VR.

LOL, don't make me laugh, you know there are other headsets out there? Not that you have never had any intention of getting into VR.
 

BlindedByScience

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Guilty as charged, still running my old GTX970. Built a new system a year or so ago, but kept this card as the new cards from nVidia and AMD were all on the horizon, lots of talk in the industry. Figured I'd wait.

But, make no mistake, I'm going to buy something very new after the AMD dust settles a bit. We'll see who can put what in the channel at a non-scalped price.....and I'll buy one.
 

Chelica

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I have to agree. Not until recently did I see anything wrong with the 1080 (non ti) that I was using. If I didn't get the bug for needing to upgrade my rig, all the games that I played and still play are fine running on my oldie 27" 1080p monitor. It went downhill the moment I started reading about all the cool new releases and buying a 34" UW...

Technically still don't need any of the hardware I am rocking compared to what I had before as higher FPS doesn't make me any better of a player. I still suck at most PvP oriented games, haha. At least now I can die in higher rez.
 

whateverer

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Same here. I mainly play VR games.



VR is definitely going mainstream. The Valve Index, Quest 2 and Reverb G2 are leading the way. The Reverb G2 has no SDE.


And meanwhile, HL Alyx has sold only 500k copies over the last 6 months.

The world's reason for the Index to exist has failed horribly (even though it will run fine on any other PC headset, nobody bought the game) . HL2 sold 1.7 million copies in it;'s first two months.

VR is nowhere near going mainstream.
 

LukeTbk

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VR is definitely going mainstream.
Feel like with how little mention VR got from the latest consoles launch that it is not going toward that direction in the moment, who would have predicted 4 year's ago than a 2020 new console launch will never mention VR (or new video card in 2020 either, even that reviewer will rarely look at them)
 

MavericK

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Feel like with how little mention VR got from the latest consoles launch that it is not going toward that direction in the moment, who would have predicted 4 year's ago than a 2020 new console launch will never mention VR (or new video card in 2020 either, even that reviewer will rarely look at them)
PS5 can use PSVR still, but you need a special adapter apparently - free, but has to be requested from Sony directly.
 

ellover009

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It's a lovely card but time catches up to all of us. I'm still running mine since there's no upgrade in stock for me to move up to. Since I do have 1440P and a 165Hz screen I want to go with something a little nicer. The only frustrating thing is that sometimes dropping the settings in a modern game doesn't feel like it always give you a tangible frame improvement for the settings drop. Biggest reason I want to trade up is to have the extra ram to turn more eye candy on, but also I don't think this card has serviceable frame rates for red dead redemption 2 at 1440p on a 970 unless you turn setting way down, and I think cyberpunk is going to spank these old cards.
 

vegeta535

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Feel like with how little mention VR got from the latest consoles launch that it is not going toward that direction in the moment, who would have predicted 4 year's ago than a 2020 new console launch will never mention VR (or new video card in 2020 either, even that reviewer will rarely look at them)
I believe Sony is gearing up a new headset for the ps5.
 

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reaper12

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So... Per this, a lot of older vr headsets really suffered from low ppi. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ro...why-its-important-for-vr-and-ar-headsets/amp/

Those of you who are VR fans - which modern VR sets have equal to or greater than 60 pixels per degree?

That article is pretty old in terms of VR development. It was written in a time when every Headset used Pentile displays. So there was only 2 subpixels for every pixel. Compare that to the newer headsets that are using RGB stripe display, they have 3 subpixels for every pixel. This gives a huge boost in clarity. And the newest headsets like the Quest 2 and Reverb G2 have next to no SDE, so you can't see the space between Pixels anymore.

Also, back to the statement you made on lag, that would be the fault of the 970, it's just not good enough for VR, and the Lag/tearing you was the headset dropping the framerate to half the refresh rate.
None of them are even close, I think they are approaching 15-20 PPD or so but nowhere near human clarity (which is where I assume you pulled the 60 number from).

Thankfully, tech has moved on too and the PPD isn't the only factor in how good the picture is in VR.
 

Krenum

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Yeah that basically cancelled my plans to get into VR.
Me too.

The 970 is still a great card for 1080p 60/75hz gaming. I have a 980 in my emulation machine. Way more than it needs but its been downclocked to 850mhz doing light duty now :)
 
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I got a GTX 980 for basically 970 pricing in late 2015, so I'm in much the same boat five years later. The 980 is the same GPU, after all, just fully enabled and with the entire 4 GB of VRAM being usable at full speed.

The thing is, for flat 1080p gaming, it's perfectly fine, but for VR, it's painfully inadequate in stuff like DCS World and No Man's Sky (admittedly not the best-optimized VR titles by a long shot), framedrops out the wazoo. The fact that I upgraded from an Oculus Rift CV1 to a Valve Index is not helping in the slightest.

I was hoping that there would be graphics cards actually worth upgrading to specifically for VR performance, and while an RTX 2080 would already double my DCS performance (I borrowed one for troubleshooting and benchmarking purposes for an evening), I didn't find it to be worth paying over twice as much at the time.

Now we've got new cards that are worth the dosh - on paper, anyway, because even the new RX 6800 (XT) release today makes the RTX 3080 launch seem widely available. Probably won't even be able to buy any of these new Ampere or RDNA 2 cards until next year.

Guess Maxwell will just have to live on a little longer in my desktop, even as I'm benching Turing against it with my new laptop packing an RTX 2070 Max-Q (which is underclocked to the point of performing more like a desktop 2060). Yes, said laptop technically runs the Index about as well as my desktop in practice, but it's not the dramatic improvement that dropping a 2080 in said desktop was.
 

CleanSlate

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Flipping through GPU articles - I stumbled across this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techspot.com/amp/review/1822-geforce-gtx-970-vs-radeon-r9-290/

A 2019 article comparing 970 performance 5 years later.

Considered within the limitations of playing on a 24 inch 1080p screen at 60hz (the most common screen out there (as far as I know) ) - it's still getting solidly playable frames. As in - a player with a good CPU and RAM and a 970 can probably get the visuals and be competitive on all but the most demanding 2020 games at 1080p.

AAnyway... While most of us here are enthusiasts who like the bleeding edge of tech in our rigs... I'm kinda surprised by the 'long legs' of this very legacy card. Anyone still rocking one certainly got their money's worth.


I had the best and nastiest 970 and that thing was a 1080p killer. There isn't much that that card can't do.

Stupid power surge destroyed the whole rig it was in though because my UPS with AVR died a while before that. Lame.
 

THRESHIN

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i'm still running my 970 i bought 5 years ago. so far i don't really have any reason to upgrade. my monitors are both 1080p and it handles that just fine for the most part.

doom eternal you're not going to run high settings. more like low and a couple medium. not my cup of tea, so doesn't matter to me. i tried it, got bored of it. control i very much enjoyed and it initially ran like butt-grade crap. then i overclocked my card as much as i could and it runs well enough for me.

i find it hard to believe that 5 years later i still don't need a new video card. i admit, it's partially due to the fact that i have kids now and less time for gaming, but still i find it surprising. either way, i'll take it.
 
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