The 32 inch 4k IPS 144hz's...(Update - this party is started) (wait for it...)

MistaSparkul

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That makes no sense. 500 zones would have more obnoxious haloing than the 1k zone one.

It should, but that's only if they are pushing the same brightness levels. The 512 zone FALD displays don't get as bright as the 1152 zone ones do so they actually end up having less pronounced blooming. Pretty sure if you pushed the 512 zone FALD to 1700 nits then yeah it would for sure be more noticeable. It's why the PG32UQX is bloom town when compared to the Neo G8 despite the similar zone count, the G8 simply doesn't get anywhere near as bright (And I guess the VA panel helps a little bit too).
 
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It should, but that's only if they are pushing the same brightness levels. The 512 zone FALD displays don't get as bright as the 1152 zone ones do so they actually end up having less pronounced blooming. Pretty sure if you pushed the 512 zone FALD to 1700 nits then yeah it would for sure be more noticeable. It's why the PG32UQX is bloom town when compared to the Neo G8 despite the similar zone count, the G8 simply doesn't get anywhere near as bright (And I guess the VA panel helps a little bit too).
It's mostly the VA panel.

The reason the ips panels (including the pg37uq...which aren't as bright as the PG32UQX but still just as bloomy) with fald bloom so much is because of how the panel filters light. This is also what causes ips glow and bad BLB. And poor contrast. VA panels just filter light a whole lot better.
 

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It's mostly the VA panel.

The reason the ips panels (including the pg37uq...which aren't as bright as the PG32UQX but still just as bloomy) with fald bloom so much is because of how the panel filters light. This is also what causes ips glow and bad BLB. And poor contrast. VA panels just filter light a whole lot better.

People who compared both said that the PG32 has more pronounced blooming than the PG27 despite the higher zone count and both being IPS. Only difference left is that the PG27 doesn't get as bright unless I'm forgetting something else.
 

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The VA panel helps a whole lot.

Does the blooming really bother people on videos and games? I don't really notice it on that content unless I look hard for it in some scenes. I do notice the solid brightness level of the PG32UQX, so I really like this monitor on HDR videos and games. On the desktop, I don't use local dimming.
 

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The Blooming is also a lot an software algorithm. I saw the AOC Porsche monitor and he had a trail of blooming, which maybe is fixable with the firmware.
 

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Yes the main issue with AOC PD32M is the slow local dimming algorithm, which could be fixed but unfortunately AOC has a bad track record of firmware updates.
 

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I couldn´t wait any longer and ordered an G7 lets see what the Samsung Gambling will bring me. Shipping is today. o_O

Assuming you get one without QC defects, then it's a winner. The G7 is the best you are going to do right now IMO. The Neo G8 has scanlines and a worst AG coating, and FWIW the unit that HUB purchased ended up having less overall HDR brightness than his Neo G7.
 

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Assuming you get one without QC defects, then it's a winner. The G7 is the best you are going to do right now IMO. The Neo G8 has scanlines and a worst AG coating, and FWIW the unit that HUB purchased ended up having less overall HDR brightness than his Neo G7.
I will get it tomorrow because im not home today. So i will give a fast feedback tomorrow night :D
 

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So i got my Neo G7.
Package was a bit damaged with some stones pressed into the box :confused:.

But the screen is absolutely fine.
No Pixel errors, Blooming is less then expected. Sometimes you see a bit, but it does not bother me at all.
In 165 Hz when you push your nose onto the screen you can see small scanlines in the blue color.
I was expecting to be annoyed but in reality they are so small and tiny, you cant see them at all.
For me it just feels like the thing this type of Display comes with.
But again you rly cant see it.

I like it alot so far, lets see how the next days are :D
 

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32 Dimming Zones on the GQ950 are definitely embarrassing as f…
another one to cross from my List.

I think I’m giving up and just go with the way too big 42C2, it’s frustrating.
Or the Sony Inzone M9 (really good reviews out there)y
 
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I think I’m giving up and just go with the way too big 42C2, it’s frustrating.
If you're looking for a decent HDR from any of these screens then your choice is basically limited to 2-3 FALD models which are already on sale (for $$$).
All the others are not suitable for HDR and you really shouldn't expect them to be.

I'm looking at 42" C2 as well but I have a number of issues with it which prevents me from making this choice really.
Buuuuuut if things will go as they are now I don't see any other valid option unfortunately.
 

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Got a GQ950, returning it because the center of screen is noticeably dimmer, and Glow/BLB is bad even with polarizer.
FALD or nothing.
 

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32 Dimming Zones on the GQ950 are definitely embarrassing as f…
another one to cross from my List.

I think I’m giving up and just go with the way too big 42C2, it’s frustrating.
Or the Sony Inzone M9 (really good reviews out there)y
The M9 loses a lot of motion clarity with the dimming zones enabled.
 

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Do you have any pictures or anything to share before you do?
Everything else about the monitor is really nice. If I had won the panel lottery it would have been a keeper.
 

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Everything else about the monitor is really nice. If I had won the panel lottery it would have been a keeper.
Ya, that right side is no good. The left side is great though. Thanks for posting.

It think I might have the patience to go through 2-3 if I have to.
 

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Does the blooming really bother people on videos and games? I don't really notice it on that content unless I look hard for it in some scenes. I do notice the solid brightness level of the PG32UQX, so I really like this monitor on HDR videos and games. On the desktop, I don't use local dimming.
Sometimes people don't actually own it OR are considering an OLED and need to justify their decision in their mind. Other times they're particularly sensitive to it or are just viewing starfield where it is readily noticeable.
Overall this model is one of the better Mini LED solutions out there for blooming. A '4K' OLED has >8 million dimming zones whereas this one has 1152 dimming zones with sustained brightness controlled by an algorithm that doesn't always do exactly what some people would want. But an OLED can be 5 times more dimmer than FALD LCD.
 

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BD Cell looks interesting. Pixel-level dimming but not OLED.

Definitely interesting but seems kinda far out and may never actually make it into production. I'm more interested in their new Mini LED option though since the AUO counterpart that's been around for a while now is a huge letdown IMO and the Samsung Neo G8 isn't ideal either.

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I'm intrigued by the 31.5" 6/8k panels, although since no mention is made of dimming zones or refresh rate I assume they'll be edge lit 60hz models.

Over the next year they're also planning to push the number of dimming zones up by a factor of 4 from 1152 to 4608 which should help squash any haloing by shrinking the backlight size from ~85x85 to ~42x42 pixel areas at the 4k60 and 4k240 levels.
 

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I'm intrigued by the 31.5" 6/8k panels, although since no mention is made of dimming zones or refresh rate I assume they'll be edge lit 60hz models.

Over the next year they're also planning to push the number of dimming zones up by a factor of 4 from 1152 to 4608 which should help squash any haloing by shrinking the backlight size from ~85x85 to ~42x42 pixel areas at the 4k60 and 4k240 levels.
Same here. I really want to see more options in above 4K res that don't have the absolute garbage response times of overpriced Apple Studio Display. 32" 6K would be perfect for desktop use if it comes without Apple tax. But I expect these will be only seen in 2024 monitors if they go into production early next year. There's honestly a lot I would like from the panels listed. Give me that 28" 3:2 as a side monitor and 32" 6K as a main display!

What BOE aims to offer do seem far more advanced than what LG and AUO have said they will make. I wonder if these are just lofty goals that never materialize just so they can look good on paper?
 

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Same here. I really want to see more options in above 4K res that don't have the absolute garbage response times of overpriced Apple Studio Display. 32" 6K would be perfect for desktop use if it comes without Apple tax. But I expect these will be only seen in 2024 monitors if they go into production early next year. There's honestly a lot I would like from the panels listed. Give me that 28" 3:2 as a side monitor and 32" 6K as a main display!

What BOE aims to offer do seem far more advanced than what LG and AUO have said they will make. I wonder if these are just lofty goals that never materialize just so they can look good on paper?

I run my side monitors in portrait, so while the growth of 3:2 options excites me (my 1600x1200 screens are ancient) 16:10's narrower than I want, I'd really want something a bit smaller: A 19" 3:2 would be the perfect height to match with a 32" 16:9.
 

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This one is 60Hz but 2000:1 contrast is impressive for an IPS panel. Hopefully LGD will be able to push it to higher refresh rates.
 

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A key factor that needs to be dealt with is how to speed up the backlight.
A slower backlight with even 1152 zones will look like less than 300 zones if the backlight cannot keep up with the object. The blooming will become 4x larger.
The higher the brightness goes, the faster FPGA needs to be.
FALD IPS is more about the backlight.

1152-zone static highlight blooming on PA32UCG
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1152-zone motion highlight blooming
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1152-zone motion highlight blooming with the slowest backlight setting
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Also, this forum is ridiculous. Some people like TsbitPrik, checked from the backlog, who never had a PG32UQX or PA32UCG or PG27UQ claimed PA32UCG has less blooming than PG32UQX, or PG27UQ has less blooming than PG32UQX because being an OLED shill trashing FALD IPS is all he did.
In fact, PG32UQX has less blooming than both PG27UQ and PA32UCG due to faster G-sync.
Most people don't know how important backlight is. FPGA is the key.
Since PG32UQXE with 576 zones has the same G-sync as PG32UQX, the blooming area is probably still more visible on PG32UQXE but better than X32FP.
 
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Yes, too many people automatically think more local dimming zones = better. In fact, some manufacturers are purposely limiting the number of zones below what the monitor can technically support with its mini-LEDs.
 

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It also funny in this forum people talk and talk without having any of these monitors say PA32UCG has a more sophisticated blooming control. It doesn't. The blooming is 4X larger in motion.
The FPGA limits the backlight speed. Once the image starts to move, it also causes more severe banding/posterization.
An additional G-sync FPGA on PG32UQX is better without above issues.

 
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kramnelis

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At least the local dimming on PA32UCG makes SDR content blacker than both PG27UQ and PG35VQ. The local dimming has a similar but much smaller haloing pattern compared to Sony M9.

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The haloing is a side effect of the local dimming glow. The LEDs around the highlight object are deliberately less lifted. So it increases contrast. It is kind of cheating. It will reduce the details in less lifted area.
The haloing is merely visible to human eyes. On PA32UCG, I can only use the high ISO camera setting to capture it on SDR dusted black background, which is not a complete black.
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You should see Song M9 96-zone haloing. The haloing is half the screen. And M9 does something else. It makes the whole screen lifted even under a complete black background. So it can reduce blooming even further.
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Posts like this make me wish I could overclock my PB328Q to like 100Hz. Every single monitor has a gotcha right now.
 
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