The 32 inch 4k IPS 144hz's...(Update: Likely Delays till 2nd Half of 2021)

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I'm skeptical of a lot of VA panels. I only trust the Dell S3220DGF because i own it and Samsung G7 because I have seen so many reviews showing it's performance.
 
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I'm skeptical of a lot of VA panels. I only trust the Dell S3220DGF because i own it and Samsung G7 because I have seen so many reviews showing it's performance.
Currently a new G7 owner and man am I impressed with it. It’s replacing my old TN Benq that had customizable bright blur reduction and it is matching or exceeding in motion clarity. I got it as a placeholder until we get true quantum dot/micro led panels that can match OLED blacks, response, input, etc.
 

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Currently a new G7 owner and man am I impressed with it. It’s replacing my old TN Benq that had customizable bright blur reduction and it is matching or exceeding in motion clarity. I got it as a placeholder until we get true quantum dot/micro led panels that can match OLED blacks, response, input, etc.
Yeah the dell is really similar. It's not quite as fast response times and doesn't get as bright as 600nit or HDR400 vs HDR600 on the g7
 
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News from Acer today about upcoming displays, including the upcoming XB32:

"Finally, the Predator XB32 is a 31.5-inch 4K IPS display that’s G-Sync compatible (an update from GeForce Experience will make it play better with modern Nvidia GPUs). It has a native 144Hz refresh rate and also HDR400, if you want that slightly more vibrant image in apps that support it. This model will sell for $1,199. It features two HDMI ports, one DisplayPort, a single USB-C port with 65W PD charging, and four USB Type-A 3.0 ports with a USB Type-B port for powering them"

"We don’t have the full spec sheets yet, though, and given that they will each release in May, there may be some competitive models on the market by then."

The "HDR" implementation will be crap but I don't really care about that much anyway. The article also doesn't explicitly mention HDMI 2.1 on this one so I'm going to assume it doesn't have it.
 

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HDR400 at $1199 is really fuckin' weak for a modern gaming display. Could've asked 100 more and had at least HDR600 with some edge lit zones.
 
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HDR400 at $1199 is really fuckin' weak for a modern gaming display. Could've asked 100 more and had at least HDR600 with some edge lit zones.

Agreed. Definitely a hard sell at that price IMO. Not too terribly much more and you're in OLED territory. For a lot of people 32" is the sweet spot though. They know there isn't really anything in that range so pricing it accordingly I guess.
 

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No 32 OLED on the horizon, sadly. They're only making larger panels with the new tech for the TV market.

Also - the Acer is announced for May, and I interpret the Asus as an April release in China - so probably a May release in the NA/EU markets
 

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No 32 OLED on the horizon, sadly. They're only making larger panels with the new tech for the TV market.

Also - the Acer is announced for May, and I interpret the Asus as an April release in China - so probably a May release in the NA/EU markets
https://videocardz.com/newz/lg-announces-31-5-inch-oled-4k-display-32ep950

No mention of refresh rate, so probably not great for gaming

It seems like all of the 32" monitors are being formally announced this week...
 

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didn't want to double post last night...but hi everyone! I've been watching this thread for a few weeks now as I'm on the market for one of these monitors (as well as a video card, as soon as they are available) for my new build. I decided to create an account instead of just stalk. Just wanted to say thank you to everyone for the posts/info 😀
 

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didn't want to double post last night...but hi everyone! I've been watching this thread for a few weeks now as I'm on the market for one of these monitors (as well as a video card, as soon as they are available) for my new build. I decided to create an account instead of just stalk. Just wanted to say thank you to everyone for the posts/info 😀
Welcome to the forum!
 

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So here is (pretty much) confirmation of what I've been saying: Industry hasn't been making 4k 32 fast IPS panels because they did not expect people to have systems that could create the demand. With this generation of GPUs now out, AND the new consoles that can do 4k, they're only just now willing to put the panels to market.

"Even if your system can’t push 144Hz refresh rates all the time, the PG32UQ will deliver a smooth and responsive gaming experience. It supports HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh Rate and AMD FreeSync Premium Pro technologies now, and NVIDIA G-Sync Compatible certification is in progress. Whether you have a gaming PC with a contemporary NVIDIA or AMD graphics card, or one of the newer PlayStation or Xbox consoles, you'll always reap the benefits of variable refresh rate technology: no tearing, no judder, and silky-smooth, responsive gameplay. Our exclusive ELMB Sync technology can also be enabled on the PG32UQ for clearest possible motion even as frame rates vary over time. "

The ROG Swift PG32UQ display is ready to impress every gamer with HDMI 2.1 and a 32” 4K canvas | ROG - Republic of Gamers Global (asus.com)

Mind you, I'm doing a bit of interpreting here - but when ASUS recognizes 'your system can't push 144' at 4k... they know the pool of people likely to adopt is small. In conjunction with the PC Gamer article (link in OP) suggesting its the CONSOLES that changed the market for us... well, I'm just glad to hear they're expected to hit the streets this year. TFT still suggests 'end of Q1' for the Asus, but I'd be surprised if any of these panels are available until Q2 / late summer.
 

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So here is (pretty much) confirmation of what I've been saying: Industry hasn't been making 4k 32 fast IPS panels because they did not expect people to have systems that could create the demand. With this generation of GPUs now out, AND the new consoles that can do 4k, they're only just now willing to put the panels to market.
That makes no sense as they have made 4K 27" high refresh rate models for years now. They just haven't bothered making a 32" model despite it requiring nothing but a bit of googling to figure out that most people would prefer 32" at that resolution. It's baffling.
 

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That makes no sense as they have made 4K 27" high refresh rate models for years now. They just haven't bothered making a 32" model despite it requiring nothing but a bit of googling to figure out that most people would prefer 32" at that resolution. It's baffling.
I think enthusiasts are a different bunch from 'most people'. Most people walk into Best Buy and get the cheapest they can find. Or they buy into advertising and get a curved VA - then convince themselves that it's great.
 

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I also think that most people have a harder time changing form factor than adopting to a different internal spec. So while people are comfortable with 24 and 27 inch panels on the desk... Putting a 32 on there may seem a bit intimidating. Certainly, we've seen gamers adopt high refresh rate (when just a few years ago, only enthusiasts understood the importance) and we've seen 4k advertising to death, the 'biggest panel TV I can afford' is comfortable for being on the wall across the room.

People have a different expectation w/regard to the desktop and 5 years ago the idea of a 32 might have seemed absurd to many... But now? We want.

So I see this as a combination of many different things - wide acceptance and desire for 4k, a relatively new preoccupation with high refresh, larger screen sizes becoming desired in the TV space raising demand in the monitor space and finally the first iteration of truly 4k capable gpus for computers and consoles
 

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I think enthusiasts are a different bunch from 'most people'. Most people walk into Best Buy and get the cheapest they can find. Or they buy into advertising and get a curved VA - then convince themselves that it's great.
4K high refresh rate monitors are exclusively enthusiast things considering their price and the demands to make use of it. New consoles don't significantly change the situation as even those mostly run games at 4K 30 fps or 1440p 60 fps with few games supporting 120 Hz. Most people who buy a console also buy a 4K TV instead.

The above 27" 4K high refresh rate section has been nonexistent for years now which is why I have a freakin' 48" OLED on my desk even though I would rather have something a bit smaller.
 

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I'm skeptical of a lot of VA panels. I only trust the Dell S3220DGF because i own it and Samsung G7 because I have seen so many reviews showing it's performance.
Why are you skeptical of panels with better picture quality than IPS?
 

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So here is (pretty much) confirmation of what I've been saying: Industry hasn't been making 4k 32 fast IPS panels because they did not expect people to have systems that could create the demand. With this generation of GPUs now out, AND the new consoles that can do 4k, they're only just now willing to put the panels to market.

"Even if your system can’t push 144Hz refresh rates all the time, the PG32UQ will deliver a smooth and responsive gaming experience. It supports HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh Rate and AMD FreeSync Premium Pro technologies now, and NVIDIA G-Sync Compatible certification is in progress. Whether you have a gaming PC with a contemporary NVIDIA or AMD graphics card, or one of the newer PlayStation or Xbox consoles, you'll always reap the benefits of variable refresh rate technology: no tearing, no judder, and silky-smooth, responsive gameplay. Our exclusive ELMB Sync technology can also be enabled on the PG32UQ for clearest possible motion even as frame rates vary over time. "

The ROG Swift PG32UQ display is ready to impress every gamer with HDMI 2.1 and a 32” 4K canvas | ROG - Republic of Gamers Global (asus.com)

Mind you, I'm doing a bit of interpreting here - but when ASUS recognizes 'your system can't push 144' at 4k... they know the pool of people likely to adopt is small. In conjunction with the PC Gamer article (link in OP) suggesting its the CONSOLES that changed the market for us... well, I'm just glad to hear they're expected to hit the streets this year. TFT still suggests 'end of Q1' for the Asus, but I'd be surprised if any of these panels are available until Q2 / late summer.
Still IPS. Can monitor makers start to have offerings that can compete with a television?
 
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News from Acer today about upcoming displays, including the upcoming XB32:

"Finally, the Predator XB32 is a 31.5-inch 4K IPS display that’s G-Sync compatible (an update from GeForce Experience will make it play better with modern Nvidia GPUs). It has a native 144Hz refresh rate and also HDR400, if you want that slightly more vibrant image in apps that support it. This model will sell for $1,199. It features two HDMI ports, one DisplayPort, a single USB-C port with 65W PD charging, and four USB Type-A 3.0 ports with a USB Type-B port for powering them"

"We don’t have the full spec sheets yet, though, and given that they will each release in May, there may be some competitive models on the market by then."

The "HDR" implementation will be crap but I don't really care about that much anyway. The article also doesn't explicitly mention HDMI 2.1 on this one so I'm going to assume it doesn't have it.

Dear god I hope it has HDMI 2.1. I'm seriously tired of screwing around with displayport cables and the crappy low voltage DP standard...
 

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Why are you skeptical of panels with better picture quality than IPS?
Because of being burned by VA panel's ghosting and banding issues never seen on even the most garbage IPS monitor? Personally I yet to see in person a VA that even comes close to my 10 years old IPS monitor. And I had 4 VA monitors to try since. For me only thing going for them is price, but for gaming every VA I tried proved a nightmare for now (from major smearfest to some games still smear really bad). Am really waiting for a 4k 32" VA which gets decent reviews to give them one last chance, if it will still be a bust I'll go back to IPS and stay there.
 
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So the prosumer focused version of the 32” 4K HDR high refresh monitor has HDMI 2.1 now...

TFT Central confirms HDMI 2.1 on Asus PA32UCG

Thats probably not the main reason for the delay but it’s a reason I’d happily accept. Hopefully the x32 and PG32UQX get upgraded with support for HDMI 2.1 as well. No more messing with Chroma sub-sampling.
 
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So the prosumer focused version of the 32” 4K HDR high refresh monitor has HDMI 2.1 now...

TFT Central confirms HDMI 2.1 on Asus PA32UCG

Thats probably not the main reason for the delay but it’s a reason I’d happily accept. Hopefully the x32 and PG32UQX get upgraded with support for HDMI 2.1 as well. No more messing with Chroma sub-sampling.

No more messing with the shitty displayport standard and figuring out if your cable will pass the signal either...HDMI is just so much better suited for passing high bandwidth signals.
 

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There's a lot of us out here who want 32 inch panels who aren't being served. I'm not sure why there's such a big gap, people on Reddit seem to love 27 inch monitors and think they're the perfect size. And now, everyone is buying a 48 inch TV to use as a monitor. 32 is honestly perfect for me, I've had a 32 inch monitor for 4 years now and I don't really want a difference size (maybe a 38 in ultrawide). The monitor industry just sucks right now, it's bad timing with two new GPU launches, one happening now and another around the corner.
Monitor TV size depends on distance from monitor more than anything no?
Im using a 55" tv at 7-8ft away from screen.
I knw that (Proper) monitors likely have better quality than a tv built for Netflix and Sunday night Football though.
 

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Not going to 'front page' this, as it does not directly talk to the availability of the end user products we are interested in... But the key is that 32 inch panels are being mentioned at all:

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20210310PD204.html

While we don't like seeing that prices for 32s will be higher, the mere fact that they are being discussed as a factor in shipments to display manufacturing is actually great news. (FYI - any mention of 32s is exceedingly rare. My interpretation is that this is further indication of industry finally recognizing the market for 32 inch desktop displays is large enough for them to be produced).

That said - I'm still thinking 2h is the earliest, and sadly my optimism is sliding towards Q4 for wide availability - at high cost.
 

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Not going to 'front page' this, as it does not directly talk to the availability of the end user products we are interested in... But the key is that 32 inch panels are being mentioned at all:

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20210310PD204.html

While we don't like seeing that prices for 32s will be higher, the mere fact that they are being discussed as a factor in shipments to display manufacturing is actually great news. (FYI - any mention of 32s is exceedingly rare. My interpretation is that this is further indication of industry finally recognizing the market for 32 inch desktop displays is large enough for them to be produced).

That said - I'm still thinking 2h is the earliest, and sadly my optimism is sliding towards Q4 for wide availability - at high cost.
High cost isn't an option with the 48" OLED rumored to be priced at $1,200 this year. All of these monitors need to come in below that.
 
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Holding out for a 42" OLED.... 48" is still a bit too large for me for a desk monitor. A 42" OLED somewhere between $799-$899 would really be nice.
 

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Holding out for a 42" OLED.... 48" is still a bit too large for me for a desk monitor. A 42" OLED somewhere between $799-$899 would really be nice.
I have no evidence, but I expect the 42" to sell for the same price as the 48". LG has no competition in the market for that size and quality, I am not convinced they wont squeeze out as much profit as they can.
 

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I have no evidence, but I expect the 42" to sell for the same price as the 48". LG has no competition in the market for that size and quality, I am not convinced they wont squeeze out as much profit as they can.

~$1200 is still a deal considering the closest an LCD panel will get to an OLED's image quality is the Asus PG32UQX that is suppose to cost around $3500 which is an absolutely ridiculous price to pay just for the size. And no I do not consider "burn in" to be an actual plus for the Asus because you can literally buy THREE OLEDs for the price of that ONE Asus so even if you do get burn in every 3 years that's still 9 years worth of OLED goodness while the PG32UQX might not even last you that long. LCD monitor prices seriously need to come down.
 
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