Thanks Microcenter... $500 8700k on Launch day.

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  1. chenw

    chenw 2[H]4U

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    Sure, but Ryzen's lower IPC is rearing its head pretty badly against 8700k.

    I was thinking that 8700k's lower clockspeed would put it on par with 7700k at best in gaming, and the number of cores on Ryzen will still edge out 8700k easily, and it looks like neither is true.

    Guess it's 8700k or Ryzen 2 this time.
     
  2. OrangeKhrush

    OrangeKhrush Gawd

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    8700K recently recieved many questions as to misleading clocks, ie: 8700K's max turbo is 4.7ghz th e 7700K is only 4.5ghz so not really clock vs clock, also the all core shows spikes to 4.7ghz just to overcome Ryzen's low clocks ie 3.6ghz all core.

    If you want to base architecture vs architecture you do it at the same clockspeed, the 1700 at 4.7ghz would clock out 2300pts ~ clearly a massive separation on clock vs clock in SMT, in ST throughput if CB15 is the indicator used at 4ghz (AMD's estimated max 1T turbo) it would be 170 (1800X 162). Clockspeed is used to mask over lack of architectural advancement, that is the only advantage and while intel are not making architectural gains, AMD can very easily improve clockspeed with node maturity while stock clocks for intel are tapped out, 5ghz is only realistic with very high end cooling giving no more wiggle room for clock jumps.
     
  3. manny1222

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    So.......
    I see Newegg has ibuypower prebuilts with the 8700K with a release date of 11/06/2017. And the "out of stock" price for it has gone up from $379 to $389.
    Should I guess that is when the 8700K will be in stock again? It's really looking like I messed up selling my 4790K days before paper release date.
    I have all parts for new build waiting for a damn processor.
     
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  4. walwalka

    walwalka 2[H]4U

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    So many CPUs on ebay going for $600+.... I don't get it. Not one little bit.

    Solid CPU, but people are stupid.
     
  5. BlueFireIce

    BlueFireIce [H]ardness Supreme

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    People want the newest, some people are willing to pay some crazy prices for them to be first, never understood it either but it's their money and they value it enough to spend it. Add into that very little supply, and lots of people buying them with intentions to only flip for money, but again, if you are willing to wait outside of a store for them to open and buy what you can....It's your time.

    I will be holding off, once supply catches up and demand tapers, prices will level.....Not really sure I should upgrade anyway, I really have no need and I am clock limited with my uses right now.
     
  6. Burner27

    Burner27 [H]ardness Supreme

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    Would you be upgrading the 6700K rig in your sig to the 8700K? Would you really see that much benefit?
     
  7. BlueFireIce

    BlueFireIce [H]ardness Supreme

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    Would totally depend on the clocks these end up getting, if 5+ is a common clock, then yes, I would see a good gain in what I use it for. Might just go for the 8600K if clocks are the same or better, HT will not do much for me.
     
  8. whisper

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    The jury's still out on the 8700k, given all the reports of Intel cherry picking the units for reviews, etc. Things will start to get interesting once it's been released to the masses. Personally I'm not holding out for it though. I just pulled the trigger today on parts for a new 7700k build which will replace my 2500k build from 2011. This was my plan anyway since August, but I wasted some time debating about the 8th gen cpus and waiting for the release, which of course still hasn't really happened except on paper. I picked up the 7700k and MSI z270 gaming pro carbon together for about $420. Since it's mainly going to be a gaming rig along with some casual photo/video editing, office, etc. this seemed pretty tough to beat. I also don't "mega-task" and think the type of scenarios Intel invented for this catch phrase are limited to an extremely narrow segment of users IMHO. I could maybe see going for the better priced 8600k if it were available, but no looking back now. Gonna get this 7700k fired up and oc'd, which looks like it will be happening before any new 8th gen cpu even hits the shelf.
     
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    Yeah you will be in good shape. I have been waiting for ryzen/coffee but I don't really play anything that uses the additional cores so I've got no motivation to buy soon.
     
  10. Subzerok11

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    Yeah but who wants an AMD CPU when they suck for emulators. I don't want anything from AMD. Their cards suck too.
     
  11. tangoseal

    tangoseal [H]ardness Supreme

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    What in the mother of all fck are you talking about?
     
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    Sort of curious on peoples opinions of the 8600k. Many expected it to be easily faster than the 7700k, but in the benches I have seen, they are neck and neck. The 8600k might be better clock for clock, but it seems very close stock for stock.
     
  13. tangoseal

    tangoseal [H]ardness Supreme

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    Dollar for dollar you get two more cores thus two more threads so its a little more future proof. I have a threadripper 1950x and I really want an 8600k as well. I was thinking about adding a second system being an x299 but coffee lake is faster dollar for dollar than skylake x. I have been checking daily everywhere for chips and they are vaporware.
     
  14. kirbyrj

    kirbyrj Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?

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    You actually get 2 less threads compared to the 7700k.
     
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    Right, the turbos n the 7700k are slightly higher, and in HT-aware applications the 7700k gets a little above the performance of "five" non-HT cores.

    So that's why they're fairly close in performance.

    The incompatible new socket is just a tip-of-the-hat to motherboard makers. They already enjoy the premiums they can charge on LGA 2066 motherboards, so this gives them a middle-ground between those and the low-end Kaby Lake. It also guarantees them new motherboard sales, instead of everyone reusing older boards.

    There's a very long list of Skylake/Kaby users that would be willing to upgrade for jut the cost of the processor, but that would cut the amount of money users would spend in half. And half of the enticement in an upgrade is buying a shiny new color-coordinated motherboard, so each time you reinvent the RGB wheel, it costs money.

    Somebody has to guaranteed the OEMs minimum sales numbers, especially since Coffee will be with us for the next year.
     
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  16. tangoseal

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    They are not real cores so performance is far lower. Indeed look at gaming while streaming. The 8600/8700k absolutely devours the 7700k in streaming and gaming at same time. So your argument is Yes it has two more threads but they are SMP based threads and not actual physical cores. So its still a moot point from a performance perspective.
     
  17. tangoseal

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    I would reconsider. The extra 2 cores moving forward will help with more and more software tech evolutions.
     
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    Not much for me to consider at this point... the 7700k is bought and paid for along with everything else and I'm building the rig tonight with no regrets:D I'm still waiting for my g.skill 3200 cl15 ram though... I think that may hold me up till Friday.

    In terms of cores and threads, the 7700k actually offers 8 threads compared to the 8600k having only 6, though I realize 6 physical cores may be better in some instances than 4. But I suspect it will be highly situational which one is actually "better". The 8700k is a different matter but even if it were available today, the price point with the new mobo is higher than I wanted to go. It seems like everything I see praising the benefits of 12+ threads relates to some version of gaming+recording+streaming and all in 4k, etc. I love to game and put a premium on that function, but I'm only going to use 2k and have no interest in streaming at the same time. In fact, when I game that's pretty much all I'm doing except maybe keeping my email up at the same time. As for video editing and rendering, I'm still in 1080p and plan to stay there so the 7700k will eat that for breakfast.

    Then there's the question of how many apps can even fully leverage 8 threads much less 12 or more. None that I use or can foresee using in the next 3-4 years. HT has been around since 2002 and it's still not always used or fully implemented to give maximum benefit. Adding more cores and threads to that equation only gives good value once we're at the point where everything we run can leverage it (aside from just benchmarks designed to showcase the multiple threads). Well, yes we are moving in that direction but not that quickly IMHO. In 4 more years it might make more sense, at which point I'm sure Intel/AMD will be trying to sell us on 36-core cpus for those who want to game/record/stream 6 games at the same time (in 4K or higher) while also rendering in photoshop and simultaneously running two separate 128-track recording studios. Lol.

    But yes, point taken a couple extra cores wouldn't be a bad thing. Just not what I consider necessary at this time.
     
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  19. Iching

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    If you're really serious about streaming you have a dedicated computer with a capture card.