tf2 update will have crafting. lol

inotocracy said:
^ No nades or nail grenades after all this time? They should be adding the original QW CTF stuff before adding all this other fluff :(
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they said in the beginning that they wouldn't be adding them in TF2. Their reasoning was that they didn't want it to turn into a spam fest... I can only assume that it would of made the demo less effective than he currently is too
 
I think they want to leave the grenade spam to just Demomen. If I got naded by a scout I'd rage SO hard.

Hate scouts! ARRRGGHH!!!
 
I hate that it almost always comes down to suiciding to take one of those bastards out when they get inside. I'll nail em with the primary nade launcher and it always blows both of us up.

Hardly ever survive when they get inside unless they get sloppy and stay in melee long enough for me to bottleshot em :(
 
Mav451 said:
Yeah to add on to the free updates, I'm already chuckling that Valve has the nerve to charge for PC-side update for L4D2. It's now called "DLC" and will cost money. I bought L4D2 knowing full well things were going differently...but still :( On one hand, wow, new campaign this quickly? OTOH - just how much does Valve think they can charge PC users, who haven't paid for DLC before?

TF2 may truly be the last "free update" game from Valve - and that's pretty depressing. Heck, if they started charging after the soldier/demo update I wouldn't even be surprised anymore.
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Valve is not a non-profit organization and they also have to make money. Even so, PC gamers are not ENTITLED to free in game content. Valve should have started charging for all their extra content. That way people would not expect to get everything for free. I would have no problem paying 5-10 dollars per update since they take time and money to make.
 
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Valve is not a non-profit organization and they also have to make money. Even so, PC gamers are not ENTITLED to free updates. Valve should have started charging for all their updates. That way people would not expect to get everything for free. I would have no problem paying 5-10 dollars per update since they take time and money to make.
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PC gamers are entitled to free updates.
 
Well I agree with bug fixes, they should be taken care of. But free in-game content (like Class and Map updates) like what Valve does... we're not entitled to that.
 
Blazestorm said:
Well I agree with bug fixes, they should be taken care of. But free in-game content (like Class and Map updates) like what Valve does... we're not entitled to that.
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I agree. Patches for bugs should be free. Whether extra content is free or not is up to the company.
 
So when does the service stop?

When people stop playing the game? Well I can play games from 10 years ago... should I stll be getting free content updates?

That logic doesn't make any sense. If you're paying a monthly fee, sure then you get content updates. But for a one-time deal... some people paid $2.50 for TF2 and are still getting more content, that is unheard of for any game.

Crysis stopped getting bug-fix related patches after 6 months, and nothing after that. Similar happened with Battlefield 2 which is still a fairly popular game. People are still buying and playing that game, but nothing new is released for it.
 
Blazestorm said:
So when does the service stop?

When people stop playing the game? Well I can play games from 10 years ago... should I stll be getting free content updates?

That logic doesn't make any sense. If you're paying a monthly fee, sure then you get content updates. But for a one-time deal... some people paid $2.50 for TF2 and are still getting more content, that is unheard of for any game.

Crysis stopped getting bug-fix related patches after 6 months, and nothing after that. Similar happened with Battlefield 2 which is still a fairly popular game. People are still buying and playing that game, but nothing new is released for it.
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They stop when the majority of players stop playing. If a company releases a game they should be prepared to support it for free for ten years if necessary.
 
World of Warcraft type expansions you pay for. Because it adds a drastic amount of content. You shouldn't pay $10 for 3 fucking maps, sorry.
 
SixtyWattMan said:
Video games are a service and extra content should be free.
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So what if three years from now, Valve releases TF3? Should that be free too? After all, it's just "extra content."

Same with expansion packs and DLC. That stuff costs money to make. Not as much as the original game, but they usually don't cost as much, either.

Now, DLC availible at launch and sold separately is another discussion. It's been like three years since TF2 came out, and Valve is still providing new content, for free. Something like this has never been done before. For you to say we're entitled to it out of nowhere, when there has been no precedent, is absurd.
 
Whatever valve wants to charge for (L4D2 etc) I'm buying, im such a whore :(
 
The other aspect of it is that Valve can't really charge anything for TF2 updates if they wanted to.

They can't give certain players advantage over others, or force people with the "content pack" to play with other people who have the "content pack." cause that'd just be annoying and split up the community.
But in games like WoW, you can setup separate worlds and realms where people who have the expansion can play, etc. You can separate people that way.

It'd be silly to do with a big FPS though, and I doubt Valve will charge for L4D2 DLC on the PC... they didn't for Crash Course and most likely won't for this one. But Microsoft actually wants developers to charge for DLC on the Xbox, for whatever reason. I believe reading that they forced Valve to put a price on it. Could be wrong though...

And SixtyWattMan, who's going to support those devs after 10 years? They're not making anymore money because people stopped buying the game (but old players are still playing). They can't live off what they made initially, that paid for the costs to make the game and a little more. Seriously, that logic makes no sense in the real world.

You paid for a game, you got a game, I don't see anywhere where it says you paid for a game + 10 years of free content updates.
 
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LOL, and you wonder why companies would prefer dealing with consolers who couldn't mod an xbox for poo and will pay for DLC without bawling about how they paid a one time fee to subscribe to a game developer enslavement service.
 
TheCommander said:
I agree. Patches for bugs should be free. Whether extra content is free or not is up to the company.
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I agree functionality bugs should be supported for free- the software *should* work. But what about hacks, cheats and exploits? Or driver compatability fixes? I don't think we're entitled to those fixes for free. Like computer viruses, those things are changing all the time.
 
Saturn_V said:
I agree functionality bugs should be supported for free- the software *should* work. But what about hacks, cheats and exploits? Or driver compatability fixes? I don't think we're entitled to those fixes for free. Like computer viruses, those things are changing all the time.
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Seriously? You want me to pay you to fix your shitty software? No thanks.
 
Yea, but if the game is still being purchased by people and still has people playing, I think those patches could be taken care of fairly easily. It doesn't take an entire dev team to release fixes, but it comes close to a dev team for what Valve does with TF2.

If a game is quite outdated, and people have overall... stopped playing it... hack/exploit related patches are unfeasible, but out of the gate there are always bugs with games and those should be taken care of. But like what they did with Crtysis... dropping support after 6 months is ridiculous for how big of a game that was.
 
Blazestorm said:
Similar happened with Battlefield 2 which is still a fairly popular game. People are still buying and playing that game, but nothing new is released for it.
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Bad example, considering BF2 just got a major patch released which included both booster packs for free (and seeing as how few actually bought them, I'd consider it *new* content for 99% of the bf2 players out there).
 
MatDef said:
Bad example, considering BF2 just got a major patch released which included both booster packs for free (and seeing as how few actually bought them, I'd consider it *new* content for 99% of the bf2 players out there).
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Destroyed.
 
Just got a major patch after years of bitching? That was mostly a feature/bug fix patch. They threw in the free booster packs to entice more people to buy the original game again... Widescreen support? Yea that's something that should have been there from the start. And like I said "nothing new", those "booster packs" were fucking old, You can't throw out the random number "99% of BF2 players" without any proof. That is one single game out of thousands, which doesn't prove anything...

SixtyWattMan, you're a fucking moron... "Destroyed"? That is your response? Every single post I've read from you has been oozing with stupidity I have doubts you're even old enough to be considered an "Adult".
 
Blazestorm said:
Just got a major patch after years of bitching? That was mostly a feature/bug fix patch. They threw in the free booster packs to entice more people to buy the original game again... Widescreen support? Yea that's something that should have been there from the start. And like I said "nothing new", those "booster packs" were fucking old, You can't throw out the random number "99% of BF2 players" without any proof. That is one single game out of thousands, which doesn't prove anything...

SixtyWattMan, you're a fucking moron... "Destroyed"? That is your response? Every single post I've read from you has been oozing with stupidity I have doubts you're even old enough to be considered an "Adult".
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I was only acknowledging the fact that his rebuttal countered your previous argument.
 
:( Personal attacks are against the rules on these forums.
 
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i guess thats cool, i JUSt got over the sniper update though, restarted playing 3 days ago, this is a little big, but i think it might be cool
 
Blazestorm said:
Just got a major patch after years of bitching? That was mostly a feature/bug fix patch. They threw in the free booster packs to entice more people to buy the original game again... Widescreen support? Yea that's something that should have been there from the start. And like I said "nothing new", those "booster packs" were fucking old, You can't throw out the random number "99% of BF2 players" without any proof. That is one single game out of thousands, which doesn't prove anything....
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Who cares? You said they didn't update the game in years when you were in fact, wrong. Just because I corrected you doesn't mean you can change the rules and say "well we waited years so it doesn't count". Sure, 99% is an exaggeration, but look at the player numbers for the boosters before and after, the number of servers actually running them has gone way up (last I looked, less than 50 servers ran armored fury before 1.5, now all of the ranked ones do).

The only thing I proved was that your original statement (bf2 hasn't been updated in years) was incorrect and I corrected you, feel free to substitute a better one at any time (cause you are in fact correct, for every game like tf2 that gets constant updates, there are hundreds that haven't been touched in years).
 
No, I said they didn't add new content. Which they didn't.
And ofcourse they're all running the expansions, they were included in the patch!

My direct quote you used

Similar happened with Battlefield 2 which is still a fairly popular game. People are still buying and playing that game, but nothing new is released for it.
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"Nothing new is released for it." The booster packs were old. How is this difficult to understand? They did not actively set aside a team of developers to create new content for an old game. The content was already there and they made money off it, now they're throwing it in for free. Sure it's cool, but it's not what I was referring to.

When Epic Games released new game modes / maps for UT3 it was trying to get the community back to playing it because of what a failure the original release was. This is completely different than what happened with Battlefield 2. This is entirely new content for free that wasn't there before. Most game developers will not do this. Epic probably felt inclined to after how poorly UT3 sold / number of people playing it. They offered a free weekend on Steam, etc. But the point is that this is entirely new content that nobody has seen or played before.

This is out of the norm for PC Games. Valve is an exception... Blizzard is too with Starcraft... they're still releasing patches for it... Although I don't think much is added content wise, it's amazing for how old it is. (They still run Battle.net which isn't much, but still! ) These are 2 exceptional developers, most companies do not do this.

UT3 Patch I was referring to... game released 2007, patch in 2009... Titan Pack
 
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Blazestorm said:
"Nothing new is released for it." The booster packs were old. How is this difficult to understand? They did not actively set aside a team of developers to create new content for an old game. The content was already there and they made money off it, now they're throwing it in for free. Sure it's cool, but it's not what I was referring to.
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1.5 came with Operation Blue Pearl, a brand new map. Look it up. Previous patches added Highway Tampa, Road to Jalalabad, and Wake Island.

Right now the same team is working on two new maps for Battlefield 2142.
 
So a few maps? Obviously not as big as what Valve does with TF2 as nobody has really noticed.

My point was that there are games that people still play and buy that aren't getting supported like TF2, I used BF2 as an example, may not have been the best one because they are technically still adding content.

If you wanna nit-pick my posts then whatever, you're missing the point I was trying to make.
 
Blazestorm said:
So a few maps? Obviously not as big as what Valve does with TF2 as nobody has really noticed.

My point was that there are games that people still play and buy that aren't getting supported like TF2, I used BF2 as an example, may not have been the best one because they are technically still adding content.

If you wanna nit-pick my posts then whatever, you're missing the point I was trying to make.
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Nit-pick your posts? He countered every point you made and DESTROYED your post. Get your facts straight before you post.
 
Blazestorm can you please stay on topic?

Anyone else think that tf2 has changed so much that people like me who bought the game because it was a shooter can return it now that it has become an rpg?
 
Skeetles said:
Blazestorm can you please stay on topic?

Anyone else think that tf2 has changed so much that people like me who bought the game because it was a shooter can return it now that it has become an rpg?
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I definitely feel very out of the loop now because I wasn't following the class updates and crazy new weapon additions. TF2 was really fun for me in the first few months after release, but now I constantly get destroyed by people using the upgraded weapons. It's definitely a very unforgiving game for newbies and those who play casually, but considering how popular it still is Valve is clearly doing something right.
 
After playing only sporadically, a few hours here and there once every 2-3 months, I hopped in for some 4 a.m. TF2 after catching 7 hours of sleep, I fucking destroyed on this server with a few second respawn timer and about 12-16 players in the server.

I like small servers more than i like hugely populated servers because TF2 gets a little too hectic and it's easy to stack a team with it being heavily populated than when it's not. Also people in smaller numbers tend to work together better, or so I noticed.

At one point I had 10 kills in a row as a sniper, and I didn't stay in the same spot, the map was ctf_2fort_xmas (basically 2 fort with a christmas theme)

Fun stuff, made me realize that even after all the great games I've played this year, it's games like CS Source and TF2 that make me come back no matter what I'm playing at the time.
 
Valve shooters are always fun to go back to. I find myself doing that often. Though I do find TF2 feels a bit meh lately..
 
Skeetles said:
Blazestorm can you please stay on topic?

Anyone else think that tf2 has changed so much that people like me who bought the game because it was a shooter can return it now that it has become an rpg?
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It seems to be the way FPS games are heading :( Even simple fighting games are starting to include leveling :/
 
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