Tesla's Autopilot System Is Awesome And Creepy

Sufu said:
Tested Autopilot on the way home today, found it to be cool, yet just as scary at times like in the video. I had one instance where it got confused and it started to follow the truck ahead of me into the off ramp, so I had to grab the steering wheel and correct it. Doing that turned off the autopilot function, but other than that it works pretty well considering our typical shitty roads.

Also, the 17" screen can be split into an active rear view camera and nav, or any other window, which is what I typically use it for. I prefer it over the rear view mirror.
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How do they deliver the updates to the car? Was it just ready with the new software when you got in the car today and showed you a list of the new features? Or do you need to go and choose to install the update and accept a bunch of license agreements like a lot of software?
 
ocellaris said:
How do they deliver the updates to the car? Was it just ready with the new software when you got in the car today and showed you a list of the new features? Or do you need to go and choose to install the update and accept a bunch of license agreements like a lot of software?
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OTA updates. My car connects to my wifi when I get home, and Tesla pushes updates to the cars. You get a notification on the 17" screen that an update is available, then you just manually schedule the install - takes 1-2hrs to finish. No need to go through licensing agreements though, just open the notification, and schedule the install.
 
Buy a nice house, or buy a Tesla with an average house. My wife choose the house. :(
 
Scythe said:
Buy a nice house, or buy a Tesla with an average house. My wife choose the house. :(
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You need a house if you're going to use an electric car (or even a plug in hybrid). You can't charge a car at an apartment complex (unless that's a new apartment amenity).

I'd seriously consider getting one if they had the range, but it needs to be able to go 400 miles when driving at 75 or 80 MPH. Tesla really needs to quit quoting MPG at 55 MPH. Who drives a long distance at 55?

Of course if they had more super chargers on the routes I drive, it might be OK, but they don't. Maybe in a year or 2 they'll have SCs everywhere.
 
OEM said:
I see people complaining about this as a growing trend. Why do you care so much? Aggravated he's doing something you wish you could be doing?

If thats what it is, do something to make that happen for yourself, don't be mad at him and try to make fun of how he looks and be passive aggressive about it by saying "other men" and not singling him out.
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He's not the only one. I'm just wondering when this trend started and why? I have no passive aggressiveness here, I singled him out as a representative of this trend. I care because as a man, I find this trend to be disturbing in that I think that this generation of men are losing their masculinity. And no, the ability to grow a giant gimmick beard and wear a flannel shirt with skinny jeans doesn't apply.
 
nutzo said:
Simple, they would be too expensive.

Diesel adds around $3,000 to the price of the car. The hybrid components add around $4000.
Most people would not be willing to pay an extra $7,000 to buy a diesel hybrid.

Maybe an electric car with a small diesel generator as a range extender might make sense, since you could get more miles out of a small fuel tank with diesel.
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I would buy on one in a heartbeat. 300mpg is worth an extra $7k.
 
It's not just a question of cost. It's also mass. Enough batteries to be useful (as in 200+ miles of pure electric range) is quite heavy. This is compounded by the fact that a turbodiesel of x displacement is significantly heavier than an equivalent displacement gasoline engine.
 
A buddy of mine has a newer'ish Tesla (bought a few months back). Dying to try out the auto-pilot to see if it'll kill me.

Like I mentioned...until the range is 500-600 and there is an abundance of charging stations to calm the anxiety driven voice in my head...I'll stick to regular cars :( .
 
nilepez said:
I'd seriously consider getting one if they had the range, but it needs to be able to go 400 miles when driving at 75 or 80 MPH. Tesla really needs to quit quoting MPG at 55 MPH. Who drives a long distance at 55?
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Nobody does. The problem is that they need to post numbers comparable to other auto manufacturers. In this case, it's supposed to be comparable to a tank of gas(which isn't unreasonable). The catch? The EPA's MPG test for "highway" driving doesn't even go above 60mph, occasionally peaks above 50mph, and has an average of 48mph. Even the "high speed" test they supposedly use for newer vehicles still has an average speed of 48 something.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml

While it might make more sense if everyone included a number for cruising at say.. 70mph, they don't.
 
Merc1138 said:
Nobody does. The problem is that they need to post numbers comparable to other auto manufacturers. In this case, it's supposed to be comparable to a tank of gas(which isn't unreasonable). The catch? The EPA's MPG test for "highway" driving doesn't even go above 60mph, occasionally peaks above 50mph, and has an average of 48mph. Even the "high speed" test they supposedly use for newer vehicles still has an average speed of 48 something.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml

While it might make more sense if everyone included a number for cruising at say.. 70mph, they don't.
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This is why we don't have nice things.
 
nilepez said:
You need a house if you're going to use an electric car (or even a plug in hybrid). You can't charge a car at an apartment complex (unless that's a new apartment amenity).

I'd seriously consider getting one if they had the range, but it needs to be able to go 400 miles when driving at 75 or 80 MPH. Tesla really needs to quit quoting MPG at 55 MPH. Who drives a long distance at 55?

Of course if they had more super chargers on the routes I drive, it might be OK, but they don't. Maybe in a year or 2 they'll have SCs everywhere.
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He did say buy a nice house or a telsa and an average house. So he was still getting a house either way.
 
Methadras said:
He's not the only one. I'm just wondering when this trend started and why? I have no passive aggressiveness here, I singled him out as a representative of this trend. I care because as a man, I find this trend to be disturbing in that I think that this generation of men are losing their masculinity. And no, the ability to grow a giant gimmick beard and wear a flannel shirt with skinny jeans doesn't apply.
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Worrying about the younger generation is a sign of old age.
 
Merc1138 said:
Nobody does. The problem is that they need to post numbers comparable to other auto manufacturers. In this case, it's supposed to be comparable to a tank of gas(which isn't unreasonable). The catch? The EPA's MPG test for "highway" driving doesn't even go above 60mph, occasionally peaks above 50mph, and has an average of 48mph. Even the "high speed" test they supposedly use for newer vehicles still has an average speed of 48 something.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml

While it might make more sense if everyone included a number for cruising at say.. 70mph, they don't.
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I'd argue that you need numbers for 75 and 80 too. The speed limit in some areas goes at least that high and truthfully people tend to drive 5-10 miles higher than the posted limit.

I'm a bit surprised that they test at such slow speeds. I know my now ancient car got roughly the MPG on the sticker and I always drove around 70-80 on the highway (if traffic didn't get in the way)
 
Methadras said:
He's not the only one. I'm just wondering when this trend started and why? I have no passive aggressiveness here, I singled him out as a representative of this trend. I care because as a man, I find this trend to be disturbing in that I think that this generation of men are losing their masculinity. And no, the ability to grow a giant gimmick beard and wear a flannel shirt with skinny jeans doesn't apply.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=mL7n5mEmXJo
 
nilepez said:
I'd argue that you need numbers for 75 and 80 too. The speed limit in some areas goes at least that high and truthfully people tend to drive 5-10 miles higher than the posted limit.

I'm a bit surprised that they test at such slow speeds. I know my now ancient car got roughly the MPG on the sticker and I always drove around 70-80 on the highway (if traffic didn't get in the way)
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Problem with doing numbers for everything, is then you end up with a half dozen numbers for customers to read through(and they won't. I know people here would, but hardforum users are not representative of the average consumer). Yeah, I know speed limits are 75+ in some areas, but it's also 55 and 65 in others. 70 would be a reasonably updated compromise between them and make a hell of a lot more sense than <50. At the very least it needs to be included along with the current city and highway numbers(bringing it up to 4 numbers when you include the "combined" figure).
 
BiH115 said:
A buddy of mine has a newer'ish Tesla (bought a few months back). Dying to try out the auto-pilot to see if it'll kill me.

Like I mentioned...until the range is 500-600 and there is an abundance of charging stations to calm the anxiety driven voice in my head...I'll stick to regular cars :( .
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If the zombie apocolypse hits, then having an electric car will be a massive liability. Shit, any crisis where power will be shady will make your electric vehicle a massive liability. There will be enough storage tanks filled with fuel to make life somewhat bearable. Not giving up my Diesel/ICE vehicles.
 
Methadras said:
If the zombie apocolypse hits, then having an electric car will be a massive liability. Shit, any crisis where power will be shady will make your electric vehicle a massive liability. There will be enough storage tanks filled with fuel to make life somewhat bearable. Not giving up my Diesel/ICE vehicles.
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Aren't most of those tanks underground and thus require power to pump the fuel out?
 
maverikv said:
zombie apocalypse? for serious?
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Well, it sort of a catch all for just saying apocalypse in general. If the SHTF you must be prepared. Most people won't be. Once the thin veil of civilization is lifted, you will have roughly three days, then fracturing will take place on a large scale. The electrical grid will most certainly be compromised. Electric vehicles will become no good at that point.
 
Portable solar is extremely slow to charge an electric vehicle's battery pack. You'd need a large solar installation at a fixed base.
 
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