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What's the source for this?So apparently the software licensing is non transferable, so if User A buys a Tesla, sells the Tesla and later rebuys a new Tesla not only does the original vehicle loose the license but User A has to buy another license for the new vehicle as well. It's supposedly in the fine print. It's shitty in the car market to be doing this, that is completely unheard of, Software world it is the new normal and I hate it.
Based on replies in this thread, it would seem that software does not have value.
Just because something is not a piece of material that you can touch does not mean that someone didn’t put work into constructing that something that you find useful and valuable. Actual labor and funding goes into stuff like intellectual property you know.
I think this topic bears some actual discussion instead of knee jerking. Like, what might this cost Tesla? Rootkit their cars for free features?
I actually own a Tesla. It's an awesome car, but dealing with the company that makes it is a goddamn pain in the ass. Because they don't have dealers, they don't have any sort of incentive to keep the locals happy, so their customer service is just OK enough to not get sued by the FTC. It's almost exactly like you'd expect the experience to be if Apple made cars.I'd blame this on Tesla. If the car dealership had it, then yea, they were selling it as is. If the seller agreed to buy it and in between that time Tesla disabled the software, then I blame Tesla. I love Tesla, but yea, they should just give it to the person and fix their permission issues from here on out. This sucks if the dealer has to pay for it.
Nope, Tesla didn't remote disable. The guy that bought from the dealer/flipper never had it working. He gets mad at dealer, dealer blames Tesla. No documentation has been made public to support either party's claims of what happened. Dealer seems to have misrepresented their flip. Story becomes FUD circlejerk per usual.Based on this response, it would seem you never read what the issue was at hand. The customer paid for features advertised. Tesla remotely disabled those features because they claim they were never included on the car, despite the fact that all documentation says they were there from the beginning. That would fall under a “bait-and-switch” on the part of Tesla. This has nothing to do with perceived value of software because everything the customer had indicated it was included in the price he was paying.
I actually own a Tesla. It's an awesome car, but dealing with the company that makes it is a goddamn pain in the ass. Because they don't have dealers, they don't have any sort of incentive to keep the locals happy, so their customer service is just OK enough to not get sued by the FTC. It's almost exactly like you'd expect the experience to be if Apple made cars.
Nope, Tesla didn't remote disable. The guy that bought from the dealer/flipper never had it working. He gets mad at dealer, dealer blames Tesla. No documentation has been made public to support either party's claims of what happened. Dealer seems to have misrepresented their flip. Story becomes FUD circlejerk per usual.
Nope, Tesla didn't remote disable. The guy that bought from the dealer/flipper never had it working. He gets mad at dealer, dealer blames Tesla. No documentation has been made public to support either party's claims of what happened. Dealer seems to have misrepresented their flip. Story becomes FUD circlejerk per usual.
If you sell your Tesla to someone, it will keep all upgrades like FSD, Autopilot, etc. If would've been news long before now if that was NOT the case.
But if you trade in your Tesla *to* Tesla (or they buy it back under lemon law like what happened with this car - apparently it had a yellow tint around screen) and Tesla resells it, they can remove all options prior to listing for resale so they can move it quicker.
There's something to be said about Tesla making this too complicated though. The lifetime R&D costs of developing FSD is going to be in the Billions for them, but they believed making it an optional upgrade would avoid punishing those not interested in the feature from sharing in its dev cost. But too many people are simples and don't value software like they do something physical ("hurr DLC"), so Tesla's creating perception problems and confusion.
You should actually read what is happening and not make wild assumptions. Tesla auctioned the car themselves with the features advertised (proved in post #19). The features were working fine (dealer statement) until an update came along and disabled them. BOTH the dealer and buyer thought it was a software bug that would be fixed in a future update. So the buyer was clearly informed of the features not working when they bought the car. Tesla, as usual, is ignoring any attempt to work with either party despite pulling a clear bait and switch because THEY ADVERTISED THAT THE FEATURES WERE ENABLED WHEN THEY SOLD THE CAR.
Yes, but the person who bought the car did so on Dec 20, the update that removed them was on Nov 19th, so unless I'm interpreting the original articles wrong the owner of the car never had those features working in any fashion. Now if this is a case of the dealer who sold it didn't re-check that everything was working at time of sale, kind of on them?The features were working fine (dealer statement) until an update came along and disabled them.
Yes, but the person who bought the car did so on Dec 20, the update that removed them was on Nov 19th, so unless I'm interpreting the original articles wrong the owner of the car never had those features working in any fashion. Now if this is a case of the dealer who sold it didn't re-check that everything was working at time of sale, kind of on them?
Yes, but the person who bought the car did so on Dec 20, the update that removed them was on Nov 19th, so unless I'm interpreting the original articles wrong the owner of the car never had those features working in any fashion. Now if this is a case of the dealer who sold it didn't re-check that everything was working at time of sale, kind of on them?
Yeah sure, I'm fine with Tesla being the bad guy in effectively screwing over a dealer.I like how this is now the buyer's fault and not that of thine holy Tesla. It's the buyer's fault that Tesla defrauded the dealer!
Yeah sure, I'm fine with Tesla being the bad guy in effectively screwing over a dealer.
That said, the "buyer" aka dealer, does have some level of responsibility to make sure said car they are selling is up to specs as advertised as well. There was a grand total of 3 days between buying (not necessarily receiving) and when the software updated. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the dealer did nothing to verify any aspect of the car worked as advertised and simply threw it on their lots (or webpage) to turn a profit as soon as possible. So yeah, I see this as a used car salesman screwing over a customer by not verifying every aspect of the car worked as advertised. And sure there's the Tesla screwing over a used car dealership too, but I'm not a fan of this story turning into a case of Tesla screwing over the end user directly.
Basically if I bought an Alienware computer from Best Buy, and it is missing something from the specs, it's up to Best Buy to make this right to me, not Dell. Best Buy as a reseller can do what they want to go after Dell all day long. And we have a case here of I'm sure the dealer going public with this, because they don't want to be responsible for the used car they sold.
Hate to say this, I'm not really a Tesla fanboy.
I bet the dealer didn't recheck the audio system if it could still fast forward songs the day they sold the car. Scummy dealer bastards!And yet, here you are, blaming the dealer because Tesla sold him a car which Tesla themselves claimed had a certain feature set, the dealer then verified the feature set, and then Tesla removed these features after the purchase. So, even though the dealer (who, again, is like, totes at fault for being defrauded by Thine Holy Tesla) did, in fact, do literally everything you said the dealer should have done, it is still the dealer's fault.
Is everyone but you just looking at this the wrong way? Maybe the problem here is that Thine Holy Tesla actually gave the dealer a GIFT by stealing functionality from a car no longer owned by Thine Holy Tesla? I, too, am shocked that the dealer wouldn't have recognized such an obvious gift, no how lucky he was to have been defrauded by Thine Holy Tesla. Some people have to wait an entire lifetime for such a holy experience, and now this dealer is actually complaining about it. It's no wonder you're upset. Hopefully, you'll get your chance to be defrauded soon.
A State of Emergency has been declared with a curfew pending. Your car will remotely disable in 30 minutes.Just wait until all cars are like this. It should come as no surprise that governments are pressing high tech electric cars across the globe. Once the car is synced with your government social credit profile the possibilities are endless. Gps tracking, facial recognition of driver and passengers, monitoring the weight of driver and passengers, fingerprint locks/ignition, all monitored by the government and big tech. Didn't pay your taxes on time? Weight gain? Smoking in the car? Frequent the gun range? Visiting websites which don't stick to the approved narrative? Posting "offensive" content online? Your car's range is remotely limited like a perimeter fence, the cost of a recharge is increased for just you, or your car is remotely locked down temporarily or bricked.
You'll lose more features that the cars has than what you'd gain.What would happen if you ripped the cell antenna off the car and it was never able to phone home again?
You would lose some pretty important features, I suspect. The navigation relies heavily on the cellular network, just like the nav app on a cell phone, as opposed to doing everything onboard. The Model 3 uses a cell phone as a key, and monitoring your phone's location is one of the ways that it does this. The cell phone key feature sucks balls, but it's at least more convenient than the cards. It wouldn't totally surprise me to find out that the speedometer is also driven by the GPS, which I suspect is part of the cellular phone module.What would happen if you ripped the cell antenna off the car and it was never able to phone home again?
I'd get Henry Thomas, Drew Barrymore and a couple of neighborhood kids to help me phone home?What would happen if you ripped the cell antenna off the car and it was never able to phone home again?
Well, at least they made it right!Update: Tesla made it right
So, they made it right after a social media shitstorm. At least their customer service is better than Asus's...Update: Tesla made it right
Update: Tesla made it right
I hate the business model of selling software unlocks.
If you don't want to include everything with your product, then phsycially remove it before selling it.
While that all makes sense, it could also fall on Tesla for selling the car at auction with an original sticker that is no longer true.Story is a little more complex than not but it looks like the used car dealer in question didn't do his homework and the buyers of the cars are the victims as a result.
Tesla sold car with features, car lemon lawed so tesla bought back car with all features, car then sold at auction auction showed original sticker which had those extra features that Tesla had since purchased back. Used car dealer sees feature go away after update, assumed it was a software bug and sold car to person, person later finds out it was not a software glitch but a proper removal because Tesla had since pulled that feature off as it was no longer registered to that vehicle but the new one the lemon was originally replaced with. This is a case of used car dealers being used car dealers, and not knowing how to deal with software licenses.
They have been hacked and even the hack was featured on the show Electrified garage.I'm surprised someone didn't hack these cars to turn on all the features for free.
they can remove all options prior to listing for resale so they can move it quicker.