Tesla Crashes into River, Owner Claims It Accelerated on Its Own

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  1. Megalith

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    In yet another alleged case of demonic Tesla quirkiness, a Chinese couple in Shanghai claims their Model S lost its mind and accelerated into a river near a Supercharger station with them in it. The owner, Xiao Chen, told reporters he was stepping on the brakes but the vehicle, unexpectedly, “rushed out of control” instead. Electrek suggests they may not deserve the benefit of the doubt, as Tesla has “safeguards to prevent an automatic system to enable a sudden acceleration.” Similar incidents in the past also mostly involved “user error.”

    “…the owner Xiao Chen had just been rescued ashore, and the gray Tesla was still lying in the river and was soaked in the water. Xiao Chen is still in shock, he told reporters: I was from the beginning stepping on the brakes, and the car suddenly rushed out of control! It turned out that Xiao Chen and his wife drove the car to school in the morning of the incident. After the delivery, they came to the Tesla Supercharger station to prepare for charging. According to Xiao Chen, he kept driving very slowly, stepping on the brakes, but when he got there, the car was out of control.”
     
  2. Ocellaris

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    Cliff notes: He had his foot on the gas
     
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    "The more I pushed the brakes, the more out of control it goes!"
     
  5. Zarathustra[H]

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    Reminds me of the Audi case in the early 1980's, where Audi 5000's were reported to have unintended acceleration.

    In all 700 cases of these "unintended acceleration" incidents were reported. All in the U.S, none in Europe. In the end nothing was found wrong with the cars. The pedals were designed slightly differently than in most U.S. cars, with the accelerator and brake slightly closer together and the brake pedal slightly smaller than in typical US cars. The reigning theory is that these subtle incidents confused drivers into mashing on the gas instead of the brake.
     
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    Yep, this is automatic driver fail

    Brain says car not stopping press the peddle harder still not stopping I keep on press the "same pedal" harder (that peddle been the accelerator) happens very often (don't believe there has been any problems with tesla doing unintended accelerating unless they pulled the key out and made the car move with the key fob)

    The report he made more so solidifies that because he said he was driving slowly when he got to the charge station so when he got to the charge stations instead of pressing the brake he probably floored the accelerator, happens way to often to the point it's not news any more (just makes you look stupid and should not be driving an automatic)

    People who crash like this should be banned from driving an automatic, as all that happens in a manual you just rev the tits off it and nothing happens or you crash at the speed you was going at (as you normally still press the clutch down)
     
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    Cue claims of faulty brakes.
     
  8. likeman

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    The only time a car maker had an issue with accelerator computer malfunctioning not the pedal was some Toyotas where it would go to 100% throttle position even thought the pedal wasn't being pressed

    it was bad designed accelerator computer as unfortunately backup/check acc computer sent it's information into the main acc computer so when the backup computer say had a bit flip because that doesn't use ECC design it would send the incorrect position information from the backup computer to the main one and because backup agrees with the main computer it expects the person driving wanted 100% for throttle even thought it's not been pressed,, here was "supposed"to be a safety feature where if the accelerator is at 100% and the brake is being pressed a second time <second time which is important> the engine will automatically drop to 50% engine demand which would restore brake assist and allow brake hard enough to overpower the engine

    And because of it wanting 100% power it's also disable the brake assist as the engine has to be below 50% power for the vacuum brake assist to functions on those particular vehicles so you had to put both feet on the brake pedal and angle yourself to wedge yourself against your seat so you can put full back into it to override the engine power (or they could of just simply held the stop start button for more then 5-10 seconds as that would of force shutdown the car like on a phone or computer)
     
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    I read "Chinese EV manufacturer stages accident to discredit American leading manufacturer" at least that what I get from the happy posing couple standing on top of the EV instead of hopping a foot of water over to the bank of the river.
     
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    That photo looks staged AF. Totally agree that this is user error. When I was 16 I took out a garage door pulling into a buddies driveway. Drove a stick at the time and mashed the clutch to the floor with my right foot! Felt like a total dumb ass..lol.
     
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    Can you climb out the skylight or did they get out then jump on top of it?



    Ah yes, the don't commit fraud when someone has a video camera on you :)
     
  12. nutzo

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    And then 100's of other cases where reported on other Toyota models that didn't have this problem.

    I remember several cases locally, and when they checked the black box, every single time it showed they where pressing the gas instead of the brake.
     
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    Sound like to me he might have been receiving "autopilot" from his girlfriend.....?
     
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    yea right. Sounds like an escape goat. Blaming the tech for your fault. She hit the breaks my ass!
     
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    This happens cause the media makes every Tesla accident a big deal, and people can use this to shift the blame. Remember the whole Toyota acceleration issue? Just people being stupid.
     
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    But the issue was the box was reading the accelerator pedal computer witch the blackboxs was recording 100% gas pressed and possibly not reading brake pedal pressed (as these cars was supposed to drop engine power to 50% when the brake pedal is pressed the second time due to vacuum brake assist non-operational when engine power is above 50%) this was on the genuine bugged computer toyota specific models that had this rare issue, the fix was update/replace the accelerator computer to make sure if it detected brake peddle at same time as accelerator pedal used, it reduce engine power to less then 50% demand to allow driver to overpower engine via braking (does require the person driving to fully take his foot off his brake so the brake lights go out and repress it a second time for this to trigger) again people Need to learn about forced power off as well just press and hold the start stop button for more then 5-10 seconds the car will shut off

    I belive future models they made sure they used ECC and in the event it can't correct an error it turns the car off (it turn off the engine in doing so and have to press start stop to bring engine/car back on)
     
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    They're about 1 foot from the river bank. Why would they be standing on top of their vehicle.
     
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    Because they are grandstanding, and trying very hard to look like they are victims when they almost certainly drove a car off the road themselves.
     
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    What the fuck is an escape goat.
     
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    A goat that can run at 11.2 km/s?
     
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    The driving version of this:
     
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    something something asian drivers
     
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    Yep, and that's where the old saying "I'm Audi 5000" came from when someone stopped by and left really quickly.
     
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    I used to own a Turismo. I was driving on the interstate one day and the accelerator got stuck. The brakes didn't really help - I ended up stomping on the accelerator to "unstick" it. They eventually issued a factor recall for some part. That care should have been called the Turdismo...just one of many issues with it.
     
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    my grandma said the same thing when she drove her vehicle through the front of a store.
     
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    Hope there is a followup report with the cause of crash. This sure sounds like either a deliberate act or a driver fubar. But with millions of lines of code in control, we can't totally rule out a software fault or even a hardware defect.
     
  29. Maybe I am just old, but people used to say stuff with manuals as well, people still pushed the gas and redline in 1st or 2nd can still be 40-60mph depending on the car. People also made claims that on starting, the car just took off, when really they had the car in gear and didn't push in the clutch, this being before the gear/clutch lockout for starting, which was a result of these people. Some even made wild claims that the car "jumped into gear" on it's own. Some people will say or claim anything to not look stupid, only making them selves look even more so.

    Not saying that this Tesla didn't do what he was claiming, anything is possible, but I put my whole paycheck on him pulling up, pushing on the brake slightly (actually the gas) and the car speeds up, resulting in panic and mashing of the gas even harder. Brakes are very strong, and if you are standing on them, even in a Tesla, with it accelerating, it will stop the car. Take any car you have, and try it, full power and stomp on the brakes, the car WILL stop. This is what makes these out of control cars almost impossible to believe for me, because if they really were stepping on the brakes, the car would stop. So they would have to have an accelerator or ECU failure of some sort to make it go WOT, and they would have to have a full brake failure at the same time.
     
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    ***car in river***

    "It wouldn't stop accelerating!"
     
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    Impossible, this car doesn't use gas. /runs and hides
     
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    they also do not appears to be wet.. at all. making me wonder did they get out of the car.. before it went into the river?
     
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    And are they updating their status? #carinriver #teslasucks

    at least they closed the doors when they got out. Also not a stable surface to just stand on, probably should get out of the river.

    Also also, it missed the tree, what else does he want. And going mainstream with a claim about acceleration will cause an investigation by the company. Hope he isn't lying to get insurance.
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! ;)
     
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    I agree completely. Drive by wire does really scary things with the throttle periodically, at least with all my recent Ford vehicles. Usually a sudden loss of throttle when trying to accelerate, but the opposite could be possible. But my brakes always worked.
     
  37. magoo

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    Check the guy for any sign of trauma to his penis.

    Distracted driver hits accelerator .........you get the picture.......and ends up in river.

    I thought the picture on the roof when the car i in about 18 inches of water was pretty lame.

    This story will never.....get ready........float.
     
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    Does anyone have a 20 ft by 10 ft Faraday bag? Because you know Tesla is already in there.
     
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    My parents used to leave their car in gear which was very annoying if I ever got into it and started it up (it wouldn't start just hump the car)

    manual is muscle memory where is your driving the car,, best case you rev the tits off it when you press clutch and gas nothing happens and you move foot over to brake or old people still use clutch like normal but crash at same speed they was going at
    when it's a manual because they just don't move foot over to brake peddle (but they don't keep on accelerating as they would on an automatic)

    In an automatic your commuting in the car you're just using it to get from A to B, A lot of people don't even want to drive and only have the basic knowledge to just get by and don't know what to do when so Thing unexpected happens like mashing the gas not the brake (and they keep on pressing gas until They hit somthing)

    http://www.safetyresearch.net/blog/...ed-acceleration-and-big-bowl-“spaghetti”-code

    Like I said them particular Toyota cars if the engine was above 50% engine power the brake assist would not recharge (the vacuum system would go neutral) so if they didn't floor the brake and hold it on the break peddle the first 2 times fully depressed they would lose the brake assist after the second press (the issue is the rear wheels lock up so people get scared and tend to let off the brake and try again and again and brake assist vacuum runs out) and would require them to put both feet on the pedal and angled themselves against the back of their car seat so they can put the required pressure to over power the engine (something like 150 pounds pressure instead of normal 50 pounds with brake assist) with the brakes the brakes have not failed just they used up the brake assist brake booster after 2-3 presses (as it's a vacume based system) stop your car and pump your brakes it will go stiff because you used what vacuum was left in the brake booster

    Again this was a particular issue with them models of Toyota did not have a brake override or it failed to operate due to half crashed accelerator control module (if both brake and accelerator are pressed at the same engine power should be reduced or set to idle and clutch should be disengaged) when car is restarted no codes or errors will Have been logged so they blame the driver witch 99.9% of the time will Be right (driver error or floor mat stuck the peddle down or faulty peddle witch is not driver fault but should of been able to stop car as that was not a computer fault)
     
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