Tencent Will Use a Police Database to Verify the Identity of Mobile Gamers

cageymaru

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Tencent is determined to get back into the good graces of Chinese censors after the Chinese government stopped approving new video game licenses to fight myopia. First they added facial recognition to the popular mobile game "Honor of Kings" as an age check. Now they are beginning to verify the identities and ages of gamers via the police database. Afterwards, gamers will have to use their real name and age within games. This system is similar to the South Korean system aimed at curtailing the amount of video game time for younger children.

Limits will be imposed from there. Younger players will be limited to one hour of playtime daily, and will not be able to play the game between 9 p.m. and 8 a.m. each day. Older players, ranging from 13 to 18 years old, will get two hours a day. So far, there doesn't seem to be any restrictions in place for adults, though it's too early to rule anything out about this intrusive system just yet. Players will be required to verify their identities as part of a "health system," as Tencent has dubbed the process via official statement, that it's looking to "protect" younger players in the future.
 

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It's as if China took all the privacy concerns people expressed in North America as ideas for innovation.

The real tragedy is they'll soon be the next North Korea, since they already have how many nukes?

First they steal our tech, then they prevent dissent in their country by controlling population movement and counter arguments, after they have their bee hive unity they'll expand it to the rest of the world.

Who's gonna stop them? Who can?

Nothing good can come from any of this.
 

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Censor: "It's amazing how much Mai Ling looks like "Taylor Swift""

Lol.

I bet wearing a mask gets you arrested and disappeared.
 

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Communism is just a Red Herring.

Seriously, it's never existed in the real world.

Hippy communes here in the US were about as close as anything, and they all failed the same way the "Commies" did.

It starts out all Karl Marx, and ends up all Machiavelli and Nietzsche, with some Mussolini thrown in for good measure.

Dictatorships are easy; wait a while. :(
 

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Next up, China will add your adult gaming time to that ridiculously stupid personal credit report system.

Got to make sure that everyone is equally miserable.
Everybody is acting like North America doesn’t already have their equivlant of the personal credit system. In China you go to a website and you check others out, in North America you stalk them on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and tie it back through their Linked-In account while running a credit check and criminal background check. China’s is just more efficient while allowing less room for flexibility.
 

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I am going to create a mobile game called "Emancipate The Mind And Firmly Promote Reform As We Rally Closely Around The Party Central Committee To Fight The Imperialist Americans!" And then I'm just gonna rip off Pac-Man, but he'll be red with a yellow star. The ghosts will be 'Counterrevolutionaries' and when he powers up he'll get "Maoist Thought Boost."

I'm gonna make MILLIONS.
 

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I am going to create a mobile game called "Emancipate The Mind And Firmly Promote Reform As We Rally Closely Around The Party Central Committee To Fight The Imperialist Americans!" And then I'm just gonna rip off Pac-Man, but he'll be red with a yellow star. The ghosts will be 'Counterrevolutionaries' and when he powers up he'll get "Maoist Thought Boost."

I'm gonna make MILLIONS.
You could but somebody at NetEase would clone it register it with the government, make it a mandatory install for all phones sold in China stick a back door in it then charge .99 for cherry power ups, and make Billions!
 

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Communism is just a Red Herring.

Seriously, it's never existed in the real world.

Hippy communes here in the US were about as close as anything, and they all failed the same way the "Commies" did.

It starts out all Karl Marx, and ends up all Machiavelli and Nietzsche, with some Mussolini thrown in for good measure.

Dictatorships are easy; wait a while. :(

I actually expect more of individuals than conflating dictatorship and communism. To me, it signals lack of honesty. Surely people must be able to distinguish claims from actions. So in the end it's not much more than an expression of tribalism.

John Kenneth Galbraith said:
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.

That said, forcing shit like this is bad. In reality, the vast majority of the global population with access to the internet has already voluntarily opted for this shit and worse. Who are we kidding.
 

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That said, forcing shit like this is bad. In reality, the vast majority of the global population with access to the internet has already voluntarily opted for this shit and worse. Who are we kidding.
Can you give me an example of the vast majority of the global population w/ internet access opting in to something like this and whatever 'worse' may be?
 

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Everybody is acting like North America doesn’t already have their equivlant of the personal credit system. In China you go to a website and you check others out, in North America you stalk them on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and tie it back through their Linked-In account while running a credit check and criminal background check. China’s is just more efficient while allowing less room for flexibility.

Last time I checked, I didn't have a Facebook, Instagram, or Linked-In account.. and my Twitter is essentially read-only. There's a massive difference.
 

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Last time I checked, I didn't have a Facebook, Instagram, or Linked-In account.. and my Twitter is essentially read-only. There's a massive difference.
Is there, when you apply for a job or an appartment or a loan or a grant you get heavily searched then can put together a very clear picture of who you are and what you do in your spare time who you associate with who you are likely to vote for they can pull up parking tickets, and even find unpaid parking tickets. There isn't much of a difference if you ask me, the difference is one is heald by a government and the other by corporations that control governments. Even with no FB account they can actually create a decent job of simulating you based on the hole you leave behind.
 
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Last time I checked, I didn't have a Facebook, Instagram, or Linked-In account.. and my Twitter is essentially read-only. There's a massive difference.

There's a good chance you DO have a facebook. I don't know how social you are, but if you've even so much as appeared in someone else's photos, facebook probably maintains a ghost profile for you. If you've ever been tagged in a photo, then they have a name to the face - and its all downhill from there.
 

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I thought they determined myopia was mostly due to not getting enough sunlight to the eyes. Apparently vitamin D is generated in the eye when it gets sunlight that helps to prevent it. Ah well.
 

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so.. what your saying is that china is as bad at parental control as people in western countries??

:LOL:
 

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It's as if China took all the privacy concerns people expressed in North America as ideas for innovation.

The real tragedy is they'll soon be the next North Korea, since they already have how many nukes?

First they steal our tech, then they prevent dissent in their country by controlling population movement and counter arguments, after they have their bee hive unity they'll expand it to the rest of the world.

Who's gonna stop them? Who can?

Nothing good can come from any of this.


If you were Chinese you'd be laughing at your own comment.

The Chinese I have spoken with view Korea, North and South, as China already. The Koreans call themselves the Han-Gook people. They are the Han Chinese, the descendants of the survivors of the Han Dynasty (206 BC–220 AD), who after their "fall" migrated to the Korean Peninsula.

EDIT: (I just cut some bogus shit I had here because I misread the name of a city, appologies)


To the Chinese people, Korea is China. Don't feel singled out, most people don't get that.
 
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I don't see this changing what I have to say.

If you were Chinese you'd be laughing at your own comment.

The Chinese I have spoken with view Korea, North and South, as China already. The Koreans call themselves the Han-Gook people. They are the Han Chinese, the descendants of the survivors of the Han Dynasty (206 BC–220 AD), who after their "fall" migrated to the Korean Peninsula.

EDIT: (I just cut some bogus shit I had here because I misread the name of a city, appologies)


To the Chinese people, Korea is China. Don't feel singled out, most people don't get that.
 

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You're not supporting your earlier claim at all.
You said that the vast majority of the global internet population voluntarily opts-in to stuff like this...and worse...already.
Define what 'worse' is and support your claim.

Okay. Carrying a smartphone, especially a Google powered one, using FB, especially using FB on a smartphone.
 

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If you were Chinese you'd be laughing at your own comment.

The Chinese I have spoken with view Korea, North and South, as China already. The Koreans call themselves the Han-Gook people. They are the Han Chinese, the descendants of the survivors of the Han Dynasty (206 BC–220 AD), who after their "fall" migrated to the Korean Peninsula.

EDIT: (I just cut some bogus shit I had here because I misread the name of a city, appologies)


To the Chinese people, Korea is China. Don't feel singled out, most people don't get that.
Where are you getting that info? Nobody I've met in 8 years of living in China, either Korean or Chinese, have expressed that belief.
The Han part of hanguk (한국) does not refer to the Han chinese people at all.
In Chinese, Han (ethnic majority in China) is 汉 and the Han used to describe Korea is the first character in the following 韩国 (Korea) 韩语 (Korean language) 韩元 (Korean currency) 韩服 (traditional Korean clothes).
You're confusing 汉 and 韩. It's not uncommon, the only difference in hearing either word is the tone and that's very difficult for most foreigners who come from a non-tonal language to notice.
In general, Koreans dislike Chinese and the other way around. Both hate the Japanese more though.
 
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Okay. Carrying a smartphone, especially a Google powered one, using FB, especially using FB on a smartphone.
Ah, I see the problem. You don't realize the reasons and/or ramifications of what is going on in China and are therefore making ignorant comparisons.
1. Tencent is doing this in an attempt to please the gov't.
2. National ID cards and card numbers must be used to verify identity. Those numbers alone provide a lot of information about a person and their family including ethnicity and where they live.
3. Based on age, the time a person uses certain applications will be restricted.
4. Facial recognition will be added to this in all likelihood.
5. Tencent also runs the most popular social-media apps in China.
6. There are choices and alternatives available only if the gov't wants there to be.

It's reasonable to assume that in the near future, every post of every Chinese person will be tied into facial recognition and their national ID number. This is already in place to an extent. It's also reasonable to assume that the credit rating system which is creepy and intrusive by itself, will be tied in as well. All info will be available to the gov't for any reason and at any time. This will not be opt-in. The implications of that are frightening. They've been headed down this path for a long time. If age can be used to set restrictions, so can gender or ethnicity. That should be particularly worrisome for the Uyghur people during times the Chinese gov't isn't blocking the internet to their province completely. Or a random person gets blocked from using X app because they have a low credit score. This being China we're talking about, it's not a stretch to say that University admissions, bank loans, hiring/firing/promotions in SOE's, and more will very likely depend on you using the *right* apps, searching the *right* information, buying the *right* products, etc.

So, can you give me an example of what FB or Google is doing that is comparable or worse?

While I am a fan of privacy and FB/Google/many others go far past what I consider acceptable, making any comparison to what goes on in China is absurd. FB and Google are still at the kiddie table.
 
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Ah, I see the problem. You don't realize the reasons and/or ramifications of what is going on in China and are therefore making ignorant comparisons.
1. Tencent is doing this in an attempt to please the gov't.
2. National ID cards and card numbers must be used to verify identity. Those numbers alone provide a lot of information about a person and their family including ethnicity and where they live.
3. Based on age, the time a person uses certain applications will be restricted.
4. Facial recognition will be added to this in all likelihood.
5. Tencent also runs the most popular social-media apps in China.
6. There are choices and alternatives available only if the gov't wants there to be.

It's reasonable to assume that in the near future, every post of every Chinese person will be tied into facial recognition and their national ID number. This is already in place to an extent. It's also reasonable to assume that the credit rating system which is creepy and intrusive by itself, will be tied in as well. All info will be available to the gov't for any reason and at any time. This will not be opt-in. The implications of that are frightening. They've been headed down this path for a long time. If age can be used to set restrictions, so can gender or ethnicity. That should be particularly worrisome for the Uyghur people during times the Chinese gov't isn't blocking the internet to their province completely. Or a random person gets blocked from using X app because they have a low credit score. This being China we're talking about, it's not a stretch to say that University admissions, bank loans, hiring/firing/promotions in SOE's, and more will very likely depend on you using the *right* apps, searching the *right* information, buying the *right* products, etc.

So, can you give me an example of what FB or Google is doing that is comparable or worse?

While I am a fan of privacy and FB/Google/many others go far past what I consider acceptable, making any comparison to what goes on in China is absurd. FB and Google are still at the kiddie table.

Well, you clearly gave a beef with what they are doing. To me, though, it's not that different. Your post is begging me to go full on whataboutism mode but I will not do it. Surely you'd understand
 
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