I think this law is great- some little 17 year old punk ass send a picture of his dick to your 12 year old daughter- he's 17, so you cant beat the shit out of him- he's a minor. So this law puts him in jail- as a new dad, I don't mind this at all. There are a lot of perverts out there, and I have no problem with them being locked up.
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Teenage Nude Cell Phone Pics = Child Porn
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You are fucking stupid. Seriously- who ever you are- you are a dumbshit- and I don't care if I get a warning for posting this. Killa b is right- kid tries to force his way in to my house, kid goes to jail.
"He was just infatuated with your daughter" Are you shitting me?
Parents NOT reacting the way Killa B describes everytime is the reason things are going to hell in a handbasket. It amazes me the number of little shit teenage guys out there that have absolutely no responsibility. I remember what it was like to be a teenager- and I remember what it was like to beat the shit out of punk ass guys that thought it was cool to force themselves on girls.
KillaB- you are right.
Preach on.
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fixed!
With mindless rants and idle acceptance of the assumption that the "internet is for porn", as expressed by many a user here in seriousness or in joke. Its no wonder that things like this happen. That mindset was allowed to exist and perpetuate itself without proper hinderance by peers, who all too likely were addicted and engrossed in pornography at the time.
If the general attitude of society is that pornography is "ok", then children will think that its "ok" and take part in it themselves. Monkey see, monkey do.
Those of you not fighting pornography can only blame yourselves for not doing your part and can start weeping for the disgusting future you have bred for your children. Only giving them solid Morals will save them now.
Good luck.
If the general attitude of society is that pornography is "ok", then children will think that its "ok" and take part in it themselves. Monkey see, monkey do.
Those of you not fighting pornography can only blame yourselves for not doing your part and can start weeping for the disgusting future you have bred for your children. Only giving them solid Morals will save them now.
Good luck.
Right on. It starts with parents. It starts in the home. And as much as children try hard to do the opposite of what their parents do to rebel or make a statement, a huge portion of their habits, mannerisms, opinions, etc. end up being learned from their parents. People respond the way they are conditioned to respond. People act the way they learn to act. Sure, they can learn the difference between right and wrong, and they have the agency to choose, but how they are raised is crucial, and so many parents let these critical periods of their children's upbringing go unchecked. I'm nearing the end of my bachelor's in psychology, with emphasis in counseling. The influence parents have on their children is HUGE. And just as huge is the LACK of influence many parents have on their children. I'm not saying control them. I'm not saying don't punish them either.
Many of us agree that a child pr0n charge is too harsh, and will do more harm than good. Some of you are responding like this:
"all of those people complaining that this law is a bad idea probably would enjoy receiving a few of these teenage nude pics for their own viewing pleasure. "
or this:
"Children like to think they are grown. Let them face adult penalties for their actions."
First of all, I am against THIS particular law. For you to insinuate that I would enjoy receive this pictures makes you one of those special kinds of horses that has two asses. What an idiot. I hope no one else who expressed an honest opinion reads your insult to them. That really is something. I never once condoned such behavior, and like I've mentioned several times. If I catch my son doing anything like that, he's in trouble. I'll turn him in myself. Both my parents used to be in law enforcement. I believe in strong discipline and guidance. I believe in following laws of decency and moral conduct as well. If I ever get a pic like that sent to me or any of my family, it's going straight to the police, and I'll do everything in my power to track down the sender and make sure they get punished. My enjoyment will be in them doing time, getting fired, expelled, cellphone taken away, whatever. I won't enjoy receiving such filth. Jokes and sarcasm aside, pornography destroys families. Don't even get me started on the case studies I've analyzed, or research I've had to do. You need to be able to help people deal with this problems if you want to be a counselor because these problems are real.
As for kids wanting to be adults, I want to be an NFL start quarterback. Big freaking deal. No matter how much I sit here "wanting" it's not going to happen. A 13 year old kid wanting to be an adult doesn't magically make him/her and adult. Now, do I think some kids need to be tried as adults? Sometimes it's appropriate, and sometimes the crime is so serious that it warrants such treatment.
But stupid kids sending stupid pics of their private parts? YES, it's gross! It's offensive. Should it be illegal? Yes! Should kids get beat, imprisoned for a while, put in rehab, counseling, or whatever??? Absolutely. This is serious behavior. These acts are obscene and wrong.
But that doesn't make them adult crimes. Most of these kids are barely learning how their bodies and minds work. It's not an excuse, it's the truth. That doesn't mean what they're doing isn't wrong. But I hardly think it needs to be labeled with such serious labels that can do way more harm than good.
What if they decide to try them as an adult?
In the end, I think it makes no sense. If you send out a nude picture of yourself, you shouldn't be charged. If someone passes a nude picture that you took and gave to someone, I see no legal problem with the kid passing it to another. It's not terribly ethical and arguably a bit immature (welcome to highschool), but it shouldn't be a crime, with the possible exception of if the picture is of a pornographic nature. Naked != porn.
yes she will say that. & then i hope when she gets out in the real world she realizes that the stuff we are trying to teach her now finally registers & she sees the big picture in life.
Wife, 4 yr old daughter & i out shopping. this is about 630p. she calls us crying. tries to explain situation, but since we were close to home we told her we'll be home shortly. When we get home she tells us he came over, & rang doorbell. She opened door to see who it was. He wanted her to come out, so she went outside & after bout 5 mins started making sexual comments to her. So she said she had to go in to start her chores. She is closing the glass storm door & he starts to force his way in. She tells him multiple times to stop, get away, etc. he keeps trying to pull door open. she finally pulls hard enough that his fingers get pinched enough that he lets go. she locks all the doors. he then begins to kick & hit the door, then runs to the front window & do the same. then runs in the back yard which has a fence & does the same to the back door & windows. after about 10 minutes he leaves. she is in tears & scared. we called his parents & his mom spouts off he was probably playing, she doesnt get his humor, etc. i dont have a $350k house for a 14 yr old to kick & hit windows. so then we decided ok, lets see what the police think. well come to find out, he has already been arrested for setting fire in another persons garage & had been suspended from school for fights.
So tell me tuff guy, do we give the kid a pass "cause he is just being a boy"? i dont think so. i never did that crap, neither did my friends. this whole "let kids be kids" is a cop out because no one wants to parent. My dad beat my ass w/ a belt when we got out of line.
Parents like me are why some kids are successful when they grow up, & others are working at mcd's. its about respect. i havent forgot what it was like as a kid, we rode everywhere on our bikes that we werent supposed to go, we had all sorts of fun. never did set fire to peoples property, never did we kick peoples doors & windows or try & force our way into a girls house.
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And what happens when it's your daughter sending the pictures? Would you feel the same passion to see her get the book thrown at her?
I keep seeing all these damn kids on TV who have problems with their cell phones. Texting too much, sending nudey pics, "sexting"(Dr. Phil's words not mine),etc.
I want to know what the fuck you are thinking giving your 12 year old a cell phone to begin with.
I would(will) give my kids a cell phone the day they get their driver's license. The uses prior to that are purely social and can only cause problems.
I want to know what the fuck you are thinking giving your 12 year old a cell phone to begin with.
I would(will) give my kids a cell phone the day they get their driver's license. The uses prior to that are purely social and can only cause problems.
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This is a completely ignorant statement. I had a cell phone when I was 12. Didn't have a camera and didn't text with it, didn't even know what texting was back then. I did however use it to call my parents and my grandparents. Just because a couple 12 year olds make bad decisions doesn't mean everyone does. Also, who says it's just little kiddies doing this? Anyone under 17 could be tried and convicted for the same charges. At 17, if I didn't have a phone, I'd have been up shit creek multiple times.
Which is fine. I'm sure your parents had a handle on the situation.
Problem is...These people are giving their 10 year old kids access to all the technology available to an adult and not monitoring them at all. They are asking for shit like this to happen.
...and yes 12 year olds will make bad decisions.
The world seriously needs more parents like you. It would make my job far, far easier and maybe even enjoyable.
Ours has a cell phone for couple reasons.
1) she walks to/from school. The school doesnt like it when kids come in to the office & call. So she texts when she gets to school & she texts us when she is home. Now that she is older, she lets us know she is going to a friends or they going to starbucks for awhile.
2) its slowly teaching her responsiblity. When she was 8 we got her one of those firefly phones that could only call/receive calls from people in the list (which we set up). Now that she is older, she has her Rumor & its unlocked. She has to stay under her minutes, not download ringers, etc w/out permission. We check her texts, we check the pics, we look at call logs. So this is slowly showing her that if she handles this well, she is ready for the next step, like a car in couple yrs. Yes she can delete all that stuff. But everyone makes a mistake & if she forgets & we catch it, bye bye phone.
3) We dont use a home phone. (I work for Sprint so our 3 cell phones plus a spare we keep at home is cheaper than service from LEC). So this is how her friends, family, relatives, etc get ahold of her.
4) Its a good punishment tool. When she gets in trouble, we take the phone away for couple days, she straightens right up!
5) If we ever want to, we could enable the tracking service to see if she ever lies to use where she is. But so far we havent had any reason to doubt her location yet. Maybe when she is 16.
I'll be the first to admit, im constantly saying, more like yelling, to her & wife "i didnt get yada yada yada when i was a kid..." but lets face it, we didnt have no where the technology that they take for granted on a daily basis. The 4 yr old has her own computer & knows how to run her games w/out my help anymore. talk about feeling old & trying to let her enjoy technology w/out getting bombarded w/ stuff she shouldnt see.
And while the wife & i like to take the boat to party cove, break out the redi whip & enjoy some fun w/ bare chested women, a 12 yr old hasnt developed the concept of consequences from their actions.
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shouts out to all the decent parents left in here, ones who arent afraid to be labeled a "morals fag" or what not. I got my ass beat when I did something wrong, I was in the service in my early years just in time to get my ass beat for doing something wrong, and there is enough people still now adays that if something gets wrong (we had a whack job kid try to stab some one, so we broke his arm restraining him) it gets fixed. I hate how now a days, you cant spank your kid or your going to hell. Everyone is crying for more rights for little kids, fuck that. What have they done to earn those rights? and they arent rights, its a privilege. Feed your kids, clothe and house them, and get them educated, thats your right. We need to go back in the day where you had to earn what you have, not have it all given to you on a silver platter while adults wipe your ass. Parents that treat there 12 yr olds like they are on the same level as they are make me sick. The only reason this is going to the government is because parents (as a group, not all of us) have not been doing their jobs, and kids are getting more fucked up every day.
Be a parent, not a friend. If you do it right, they will thank you later in life.
Be a parent, not a friend. If you do it right, they will thank you later in life.
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Ok on one side, yeah two people under 18 (lets say 15 for argument sakes) can have sex, if they get caught as long as it wasn't "rape" neither most likely won't be charged.
Now other end of the spectrum, they make a video of them fucking, post it on the internet, it's child porn is it not? (Yes it is)... So the people making it get a free pass? Should they get charged with distributing child pornograph? Making it?
Now you need all the finite areas in between making a porn, and showing some tits on your camera phone. IMO nudity is not sexual in nature always, so as such you can always argue a certain artistic nature, however if you're sucking some boy cock and decide "oh hey this will be a good keepsake" that really does cross the line into child pornography.
Now other end of the spectrum, they make a video of them fucking, post it on the internet, it's child porn is it not? (Yes it is)... So the people making it get a free pass? Should they get charged with distributing child pornograph? Making it?
Now you need all the finite areas in between making a porn, and showing some tits on your camera phone. IMO nudity is not sexual in nature always, so as such you can always argue a certain artistic nature, however if you're sucking some boy cock and decide "oh hey this will be a good keepsake" that really does cross the line into child pornography.
Child Porn hurts more than just the person who willfully took the picture of him/herself.
Think about this...
You got some sick bastard that abuses kids and is into child porn. He stumbles on a few of these willfully done pictures because they are passed around the net. The sick bastard get's all horny and his sick mind kicks into gear and he goes into the next room and does his thing with his own kids. He then trades some of his own kids pictures for more of the pictures from these teenagers that some other sick bastard has more of but wants something in trade for.
Think about this...
You got some sick bastard that abuses kids and is into child porn. He stumbles on a few of these willfully done pictures because they are passed around the net. The sick bastard get's all horny and his sick mind kicks into gear and he goes into the next room and does his thing with his own kids. He then trades some of his own kids pictures for more of the pictures from these teenagers that some other sick bastard has more of but wants something in trade for.
LOL
Yeah, my first thought was it must now be illegal for someone under the age of 18 to look at themselves in the mirror after a shower. Or hey, shouldn't everyone in the delivery room when a baby is born be arrested? How dare they see a child nude!
The other thing that makes me laugh is the idea that someone magically changes from a "child" into an "adult" on their 18th birthday. It's like they are playing with dolls and hotwheels the day before, and then *poof* they are a fully mature adult ready to take on the world. LOL
People mature at different rates. And this whole "head in the sand" mentality is more damaging to these teenagers than any photograph.
Regardless of all this, one of this country's biggest problems is its viewpoint on nudity in general. The ultra-conservative, puritanical viewpoint that rules the land is ridiculous. For the record, no body part should be considered "offensive". A picture of a woman's breast should be considered no more "explicit" than a woman's foot or elbow. The feelings of sexuality associated with each body part depend on the person viewing the photograph. There is nothing inherently obscene or offensive about the nude form. It is the baggage we bring to the table that labels it as such. The only thing obscene about a nude body part, is the misuse of the word obscene in its description.
Yeah, my first thought was it must now be illegal for someone under the age of 18 to look at themselves in the mirror after a shower. Or hey, shouldn't everyone in the delivery room when a baby is born be arrested? How dare they see a child nude!
The other thing that makes me laugh is the idea that someone magically changes from a "child" into an "adult" on their 18th birthday. It's like they are playing with dolls and hotwheels the day before, and then *poof* they are a fully mature adult ready to take on the world. LOL
People mature at different rates. And this whole "head in the sand" mentality is more damaging to these teenagers than any photograph.
Regardless of all this, one of this country's biggest problems is its viewpoint on nudity in general. The ultra-conservative, puritanical viewpoint that rules the land is ridiculous. For the record, no body part should be considered "offensive". A picture of a woman's breast should be considered no more "explicit" than a woman's foot or elbow. The feelings of sexuality associated with each body part depend on the person viewing the photograph. There is nothing inherently obscene or offensive about the nude form. It is the baggage we bring to the table that labels it as such. The only thing obscene about a nude body part, is the misuse of the word obscene in its description.
The problem with this logic is that it could be applied to any area. For example: You have some guy with major mental issues watching a movie about a serial killer. He gets all ramped up and crazy, and then goes out and kills all his neighbors. So, every violent movie ever made should be banned and destroyed, right?
You can't child-proof or crazy-proof the world. A sick bastard is a sick bastard without any outside stimulus. The idea that he wouldn't do terrible things if he hadn't seen some pictures is crazy. In fact, it sounds like the lame defense he would try to give in court.
What teenager of any gender has not seen nude pics before? I think this is being treated way out of hand. As a 15 year old, I know first hand how easy it is to accidentally stumble upon sites or ads you don't want....not that it happens by accident anymore...=D
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+1, Exactly. Most of the cases I've read about in the news, it's usually the girl who sends a pic of herself to a boy.
Would anyone here like to see their 17 year old daughter or sister sent to prison for taking a picture of her own tits?
When I think about it more, I realize there's a ton of fail in the situation.
The kid is stupid for taking the picture of his/herself. The parents/guardians fail in not stopping and/or preventing it. The authorities fail when they think that charging the kids with felonies is actually going to help anyone (especially the kids that the law is supposed to protect). The whole system fails when people use the law as a first resort in resolving problems - with emphasis on punishment rather than rehabilitation. The media fails when they don't make a distinction between nudity and porn.
People in general fail when they have a moral panic on what are probably isolated incidents and start distrusting technology and other people even more - thus worsening the panic when these sort of situations happen again. Then again. Then again to the point where we might as well be turning our schools into jails, turning the government into "big daddy" or "big mommy", and putting chastity belts on kids.
I could probably think of some reason why myself or this thread and the people in it fails, but I think you get the picture.
The kid is stupid for taking the picture of his/herself. The parents/guardians fail in not stopping and/or preventing it. The authorities fail when they think that charging the kids with felonies is actually going to help anyone (especially the kids that the law is supposed to protect). The whole system fails when people use the law as a first resort in resolving problems - with emphasis on punishment rather than rehabilitation. The media fails when they don't make a distinction between nudity and porn.
People in general fail when they have a moral panic on what are probably isolated incidents and start distrusting technology and other people even more - thus worsening the panic when these sort of situations happen again. Then again. Then again to the point where we might as well be turning our schools into jails, turning the government into "big daddy" or "big mommy", and putting chastity belts on kids.
I could probably think of some reason why myself or this thread and the people in it fails, but I think you get the picture.
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Same can be said about statutory rape ages.. I mean 18 or 17 what's the difference really? I mean hell in this day & age I've seen children ages 10-13 with bigger tits than the girls I went to high school with (yeah call me a perv for noticing
)Bottom line there needs to have some line drawn for it to be law. Yeah she's a mature 14 year old girl with a smoking body, so it's alright you sir at 27 hit that.
Of course not its your own kid. However the case can be said for just about anything your child does. Vandalism, theft, assault... you probably could make cases that you'd not want to see your child go to jail.
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How about this, since the argument of "kids need phones" is apparently stuck in everyone's head.... do all phones have cameras attached? Parents remove the camera portion
I absolutely agree, but I think the point a lot of people are making, however, is not that YOU shouldn't parent your children, it's that you shouldn't let the police and the court do it for you. The comment someone made about it being okay for the police to come and make the arrest as long as he got to pick the penalty is ridiculous - (1) it doesn't work that way, (2) why is it that your child would be more afraid of the police than you? When I was a kid, and until I was in my twenties, my father, when angry with my behavior, was the most fearsome individual I had ever known. He was never afraid to physically show me the error of my ways. It was a highly useful tool for molding my behavior.
Using child porn laws in the manner described seems like parents throwing their hands in the air and saying "I don't know what to do with these kids - you deal with it"
The solution to this problem is the solution people have described - involvement in your child's life. Spying, checking, listening-in, whatever.
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Too many parents without their GED's in here
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my take is what it always is.
this is crap, sheer plain outright crap
tits are tits and dick is a dick...big freaking deal... get over this puritan moral shit, for those of you who want it rock on and a round of chastity belts for all!
for the rest of us anyway this is garbage. why? child porn/pedophilia is just that...children, if an 8 year old is taking nude pics for the purpose of arousal then we have an issue, that is the illegal and anyone who gets off it to it does have problems.
that being said there is a reason there are other stages of development past childhood, teens are sexually equipped, and have hormones pumping. Thats natures signal that it's go time. our prude society is the one that creates age restrictions. Like the magical switch at 18. its all crap.
if you are developed its not child porn, its called being straight (or gay if thats the way you rock).
if my developed kid was sending nudes, my first question would be, "is the person you sent it to cute/handsome" and "did you get good lighting and angles?...see all those times watching your old man use his dslr paid off"
really, I had my first experience at like 15, i'm sure there are plenty of other stories about that, i also met my gf days before she turned 17, i was like 22.
people need to get over this crap and actually start making the distinction between psychological issues and the realization that the body dictates go time...not a bunch of bullshit laws.
this is crap, sheer plain outright crap
tits are tits and dick is a dick...big freaking deal... get over this puritan moral shit, for those of you who want it rock on and a round of chastity belts for all!
for the rest of us anyway this is garbage. why? child porn/pedophilia is just that...children, if an 8 year old is taking nude pics for the purpose of arousal then we have an issue, that is the illegal and anyone who gets off it to it does have problems.
that being said there is a reason there are other stages of development past childhood, teens are sexually equipped, and have hormones pumping. Thats natures signal that it's go time. our prude society is the one that creates age restrictions. Like the magical switch at 18. its all crap.
if you are developed its not child porn, its called being straight (or gay if thats the way you rock).
if my developed kid was sending nudes, my first question would be, "is the person you sent it to cute/handsome" and "did you get good lighting and angles?...see all those times watching your old man use his dslr paid off"
really, I had my first experience at like 15, i'm sure there are plenty of other stories about that, i also met my gf days before she turned 17, i was like 22.
people need to get over this crap and actually start making the distinction between psychological issues and the realization that the body dictates go time...not a bunch of bullshit laws.
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Crap, I'm going to jail!!!!
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yeaah... pretty sure 80% of the kids with phones at my high school are going to jail then...
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Mmhmm. Most of the rabid "new daughter" type fathers here fail to realize that this law encompasses children, from age 0, to 17 year old adolescents... Many of which are seniors in highschool, and most of which have been having sexual encounters for many years.
If your 13 year old daughter is engaging in sexual intercourse with, or exchanging risque pictures with, another child her age... So what? Does this really do more harm than sending one of these two to face legal repercussions? Too many people think that nothing happens to a minor, as their records are sealed when they reach adulthood. How about the lasting damage from the psychological implications of being arrested? The psychological aversions to sexual relationships that will inevitably be developed later in life? The shame and financial problems they bring into their immediate family. Who cares right?
If your 16 year old daughter is exchanging sexual pictures with another person in her age range, then you've successfully raised a healthy, normal, teenage human. Congratulations! Newsflash - humans are animals. Humans will have animal urges. Humans have had these urges, at that age, for centuries. We can try and teach our children "better" (and I use that term simply as a juxtaposition here) but they're going to engage in these activities, forcing them to do otherwise is forcing them away from their natural order - and is far from healthy for them.
And finally, if your 14 year old daughter is sending dirty pictures to 19 year old males, then maybe you've missed your mark as a parent.
In the end, this law would simply serve to bolster the anti-male agenda of our legal system. Girls couldn't possibly have been the one that requested the pictures - and they were most definitely coaxed into sending them to another boy. Women can't be at fault for any disorder of moral character. This is Amerikkka remember!
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thank you, some people actually get it.
though to be fair, 14/19 is the same year split between myself and my gf of like 4 years now... so i think thats a case by case basis one there. on the other hand if its going out to half the local college and she's 14...i totally agree with you...but yeah its a parental issue.
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Parents have the phone contract since he's not 18... there's child pornography on their phone... hmm. Looks to me like the parents should have control of their kids or monitor what they're doing with the electronic devices they grant them. If anything, I'd say the parents could be charged very easily, especially if he's distributing it.
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