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Zarathustra[H];1041643748 said:
Ok it happens every year right? How many kids who were going to die in a active shooter scenario were saved by their cell phones?
Zarathustra[H];1041643368 said:
... saw a jammer for sale somewhere that was pertty small. There's a few idiots on the bus that yell and scream stupid shit for an hour. Not all the time... if it was i'd buy one of these and turn it on and off.
Zarathustra[H];1041643387 said:
... my mom just told me... "You will have bosses that aren't fair and you will have to deal with them, just like you will have to deal with this teacher". That was it, the best I ever got, "you maybe right but it don't freaking matter suck it up".
Well take it from a college/instructor/professor, I put up with it because I've become jaded over the years. I realize that there are those who want to learn, both great students and horrible students but regardless of the type of student they are they try, and then there are those who simply couldn't care less about the class and are really only there because they think they'll get a passing grade for showing up to hear when assignments and tests are due, and for that group of people I'm not going to put much of any effort into them, so if texting away (and thinking that their eyeballs focused on their lap isn't obvious at all) keeps them entertained for the duration of class and they don't get the material then that's less work for me when it comes to grading assignments they don't do/complete because they have no idea what I talked about.Zarathustra[H];1041643387 said:
And unfortunately the response to this is to just make sure everyone passes, because take I get a whole bunch of students where I question how they even passed high school classes, and I don't have access to all their records but I can tell you how they do well in my class and usually it isn't even close to passing.
Zarathustra[H];1041643764 said:
Zarathustra[H];1041643748 said:
See that's why I make a copy of any paper that I suspect of plagiarism, then on that copy I write down the sources just so if it's a month or so later I don't have to redo all the "work" of finding the sources that were copied. Granted for me it's usually seeing stupid things like the footnote markers from Wikipedia still in the work ([2][3][4]) or hyperlinks still underlined (doubly fun when they use a color printer and they all come out blue). But then again I don't have any fear to worry about student evaluations, I get evaluated every 3 years, and there also is an evaluation by peers, and ultimately it's the department who decides whether or not to keep me around, and they do understand the issue with upset students getting grades they don't like. That must have been some shitty school you taught at where administrators were just as lazy as the students in the classroom.
I see a different view of this, students who bring recording devices, unless it's to review later with the notes they actually took, tend to do much MUCH worse in general. There simply is no mechanism to reinforce what is being taught (which initially comes from writing things down) if all that is being done is recording along with the idea that you might review it later. Of course I'm quite liberal as a teacher, and will let students use whatever they want and if they want to chat with someone instead of learning then I'll happily fail them when they do poorly on tests if anything it's more business for the school because that student needs to retake the class
I see a different view of this, students who bring recording devices, unless it's to review later with the notes they actually took, tend to do much MUCH worse in general. There simply is no mechanism to reinforce what is being taught (which initially comes from writing things down) if all that is being done is recording along with the idea that you might review it later. Of course I'm quite liberal as a teacher, and will let students use whatever they want and if they want to chat with someone instead of learning then I'll happily fail them when they do poorly on tests if anything it's more business for the school because that student needs to retake the class
When I first started teaching nearly 10 years ago part of my opening day spiel was a study done that shows how much we can recall based upon methods of interaction, and sitting in class just listening was about 10%, actually taking notes where you listen and write down that number jumps to 25% (still low) and without getting too boring there is a lot that is needed to truly remember everything. This is why you get students who can recall "yeah I remember that being talked about in class" but then all the little dirty details not so much. Now I'm not sure how typing compares to writing, I'm sure it's somewhat close up there, but either way it's better than just sitting and doing nothing. Unfortunately I very quickly found that my telling students how to succeed with actual data to back it up fell mostly on deaf ears, so I stopped doing that in my classes.
With all the requirements that colleges now have you do to make you a "more rounded" student (which I do not agree with at all), something like this should be made a requirement. I remember when I started college I had no clue about taking notes, never did it in high school, I just saw people breaking out notebooks and writing down what was seen on the board and I kind of learned how to learn via osmosis. And when the teacher said she was handing out a syllabus I had absolutely no fricking clue what that was, never heard that word before in my life. Now that has more to do with the state of the high school system I'm sure, and unfortunately I think it's gotten worth in the past 20 or so years since I left, I know because I teach a lot of these students who just pass through the system.