SWAT Raid of the Day

[Udgnim]

I can't believe that dog managed to survive

 

[Kaitian]

What do you mean I'm assuming the worst case scenario? It was obviously the SWAT team that did. I'm saying it's pretty easy for a trained professional (i.e., SWAT team) to determine from the premises of the severity of what's going on inside the home. They can knock on the door and then barge in if no answer.

Which they never did. You are assuming that the term "SWATing" means they actually send a SWAT team. They never did send a SWAT team but they did send multiple officers to respond to the home and they never did knock down the door. It's still bona fides which these officers acted on.

Police responded in full force, including officers from Kitsap County, Bainbridge Police, the Suquamish Tribe and the North Kitsap Fire Department.

Dave Neumann was spotted outside the home was ordered to show his hands and get on the ground, which he did. His two sons were also ordered out of the home. Neumann was handcuffed and read his rights.

After deputies checked the home and discovered Neumann didn’t have a daughter, he was released.

 

[GoldenTiger]

Which they never did. You are assuming that the term "SWATing" means they actually send a SWAT team. They never did send a SWAT team but they did send multiple officers to respond to the home and they never did knock down the door. It's still bona fides which these officers acted on.

Actually, the article doesn't specify either way if it was a SWAT team, but judging by them having sent officers from several departments one would assume it was a major response.

 

[Kaitian]

Actually, the article doesn't specify either way if it was a SWAT team, but judging by them having sent officers from several departments one would assume it was a major response.

They have to treat it as a major response but they aren't going to go in gun's blazing shooting anything that gets in their way. There has been SWATing incidents in the past and the same thing has occurred over and over again. See: Patrick Frey, Erick Erickson, Mike Stack, Aaron Walker. In everyone of those cases, the "SWAT" response was an investigation by the police to see if there was a dangerous situation. Now they all took place in different parts of the country. Patrick Frey's situation was the one that was a little over the top since the police knocked on his door and put him in handcuffs in a cruiser. I don't know about Mike Stack's situation but Erick Erickson and Aaron Walker had informed their respective departments that they may be SWATed which they were later on.

Now in that story situation, the police are sent to investigate on the ground to see if there is indeed a situation. Notice the fire department was also called in? They were ready to handle casualties if there was any. Hence the whole thing was done in bona fides which is exactly my point. People in this thread have assumed the worst possible example going "Hurf, cops are what's wrong with this country!"

In Washougal, Washington, some idiot (He's dead now) set his house on fire and shot at the cops that were approaching the house to check for anyone. http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/dec/07/resident-washougal-home-could-be-white-separatist/ There's a lot of missing details in this story but when the neighbors came over to his house, he said for them to go away and shot at them. The Washougal PD was called in treating the situation as if it was dangerous based on the report of the person that tried to help out the guy. However they didn't go barging in because cops do not do that since it is 100% dangerous going into the unknown. Why? The police have a vested interest in their safety first, then the public's. The only way they will do it is when the police feels they are confident enough to make an entry but until then, they cordon off the area from the public. Those TV shows where cops are willing to do that? Pure nonsense in the real world. The same also applies to SWAT teams.

 

[GoldenTiger]

Now in that story situation, the police are sent to investigate on the ground to see if there is indeed a situation. Notice the fire department was also called in? They were ready to handle casualties if there was any. Hence the whole thing was done in bona fides which is exactly my point. People in this thread have assumed the worst possible example going "Hurf, cops are what's wrong with this country!"

I agree with you. I don't get the hate...

 

[CptTrips]

How did he find the kid's address?

 

[beowulf7]

Which they never did. You are assuming that the term "SWATing" means they actually send a SWAT team. They never did send a SWAT team but they did send multiple officers to respond to the home and they never did knock down the door. It's still bona fides which these officers acted on.

The title of this thread said "SWAT", so even though the article didn't explicitly mention that, I sort of assumed it. But even if just multiple cops or SWAT team, it was obvious that they didn't assess the situation properly from the premises before they went in guns toting and handcuffing the father when there was obviously no pregnant girl in the house.

 

[SkribbelKat]

How did he find the kid's address?

The article didn't say and I'm pretty curious about it too. I'm guessing just some stupid kinda thing where the person calling got enough information to figure it out or the victim gave it away.

 

[RigmoroleMotorCo]

isn't Canada full of mosquitoes? ...and it's ****ing cold there.

other than that, I guess Canada is better. I suppose one would have to live there to assess relative merits of the society. How much more reliable are Canadians than Americans... it could make a huge difference in quality of life. given human nature, I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Kaitian]

The title of this thread said "SWAT", so even though the article didn't explicitly mention that, I sort of assumed it. But even if just multiple cops or SWAT team, it was obvious that they didn't assess the situation properly from the premises before they went in guns toting and handcuffing the father when there was obviously no pregnant girl in the house.

Actually they did assess the situation properly. The father was in the front yard so they were doing their best to cordon off the area and investigate of the situation did occur. You didn't even read the story carefully. They discovered that they didn't have a daughter and came to the conclusion that it was a fake police call. They didn't go guns toting as you claim. Now the black and white first responders were called out to the place where SWAT is always kept in reserves which shows that they exercised good restraint.

Read the paragraph again

Dave Neumann was spotted outside the home was ordered to show his hands and get on the ground, which he did. His two sons were also ordered out of the home. Neumann was handcuffed and read his rights.

They cleared the scene first by ordering all residents to leave the premises and then investigating if a murder had happened.

Now look at the topic of this thread vs the topic of the article it links to
"Fake shooting 911 call leads to huge police response" vs HardOCP's SWAT Raid of the Day

In the article it states

The family had just become the latest victims of “swatting” – in which someone calls 911 in the hopes of getting huge police response, particularly a SWAT team.

Yes, it's a scary situation but you have to understand that the police's responsibility is their own safety first and then the public's second.