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Little boy born in weird nebula got sad when his mommy died and blew up all the stuff because his scream magically resonates through subspace at speed bordering on instant while on the moon apparently made of solid dilithium.
I liked the idea of them moving outside of the established timeline because they really did a bad job at reconciling the aesthetics with prior incarnations of Star Trek, specifically thinking of the Klingons, lighting, set design, technology, etc. Moving to a period in time that was not in between established canon should have been a great way for them to tell their story without destroying everything that fans came to love about Star Trek. You can still only do so much with bad writing, poor direction, and non-endearing overacting.
Oh so it is a story about Gen Z.
Nope. that misinformation was brought to you by Midnight Edge...the youtube channel that has gotten it wrong for 2 years and counting (maybe longer, but I never heard of them until someone here insisted it was canceled because that rando youtuber said it was. Oops
Well that's certainly a contrarian take on BSG
I remember that pretty well. I and many of the people I knew loved the BSG reboot for much of its run, and the characters were definitely more complicated than inverted gender stereotypes.
I get that a lot.
To be perfectly frank, you can't trust that site but I'm not surprised by the rating. Only recently when bringing up how shitty that show is in some other threads have people started to see it my way. I used to think I was completely alone in my disdain for it. It's interesting to me how people's viewpoints over these shows can change over time. I don't think BSG will age all that well to be honest. I still can't understand why it was that well received in the first place.
I've analyzed it many times over the years and I've never understood its success. It did sort of bring a gritty and dark aspect to sci-fi which was lacking at the time. Between that and the amazing cast...maybe that was it? I don't know. It's all I can come up with. It was certainly different at the time and it was on the same sci-fi channel that had shit like Warehouse 13, Ice Spiders, Lavalanchula, and Sharktopus. I mean comparatively, it's brilliant. Sometimes sci-fi fans have a low bar for entertainment. I don't think it would have succeeded on a major network at the time. So it may be a right place, right time situation.
Er, no. This doesn't mean you can never complain at all; it just means that being obsessed with defeating "woke" media says more about someone's insecurity than it does about the media they're whining about. If a person can't discuss Discovery or other shows without griping about "wokeness" in every other breath, the shows aren't the real problem.
The Star Trek and Dune shit posting groups are having a field day with the “it’s woke” crowd right now and it’s generating some funny content.
So you haven't seen the 5 production star ship woke culture ass wagons you are missing out.
Perhaps, but while there are legit issues with individuals taking wokeness (aka political correctness) to ridiculous places, virtually every single person that mentions wokeness on H sounds like a sexist and/or homophobe (which has been rampant on this site since, at least, the Gamergate BS). I'll catch Discovery at some point after it's finished it's run (cuz I don't do this wait a week to watch the next ep thing), but if past is prologue, it'll be fine, because the same people on here have been shit posting about it since day 1. First it was, <in a whiny nasally voice> "It's not star trek" - it was - and "This is the kelvin time line" - it wasn't. And as I've said a dozen times before, many of the complaints remind me of the whiners in the 90s complaining that DS9 wasn't star trek and bretrayed Gene's vision (which the first 2 seasons of trek show were not very interesting).
I liked some of BSG because they used actual guns instead of energy weapons.
disagree. Hardcore trek fan here. Watched TNG/DS9 probably 30+x times each. DS9 has been by far my favorite for about 20 years. I still rewatch the whole series at least 2-3x a year. Discovery is fricking trash. It is not Star Trek. The way TOS/TNG/DS9 added "social issues" to their episodes were meaningful and meant a lot to the story, not just tossed in like the woke crap in Discovery which has no bearing on anything to the series. Haven't watched this STD crap show since end of S1. Probably won't ever. Just pretending it doesnt exist in ST canon.
I still rewatch BSG ever year or so. Still solid show.
Don't forget about poor Icheb. That was the most disappointing part of Picard for me.
Of course, it's the whole "no other point of view besides mine can be valid, so they must be 'ists, or 'phobes" BS. This statement is absolutely baseless and without merit. When you direct this at Star Trek fans such vitriol is about as misplaced as it possibly could be. Star Trek fans are about as diverse as you can get by their very nature. Polls have been taken in the past with some 51% or more of the country being fans and huge fan bases in just about every country the classic shows have ever aired in.
As someone who knows something about firearms, its often painful for me to see real firearms in science fiction shows. While it can certainly add to the sense of realism, it often has the opposite effect. While some films and TV shows do this in a way that works, BSG didn't. The reason why it didn't is because it used weapons pretty much as they were off the shelf. Weapons military organizations do not and would not use for good reason. The pistols are FN Five-Sevens and the "rifles" are Beretta CX4 Storm carbines. They didn't even put enough shit on them to hide what they were. It bothers me in the same vein as the Humvees on Caprica do. It's where the illusion breaks down and you can see the limitations of TV budget creeping through.
To be fair, there are cases where these issues were not handled all that well. That being said, the general quality of writing was leagues ahead of the modern shows.
I didn't forget. How could anyone who saw it forget his torture scene? I never made it more than two episodes through Lower Decks. I never found it funny. I watched all of Discovery Season 2 and that was enough for me. What I posted about the Warp Nacelles was actually something I found by accident and I ended up digging into some of the plot points of season 3 to see how they arrived at that bullshit and I decided there was no chance I was going to watch that obvious narrative train wreck.
Well, Stargate isn't an example of it being done badly necessarily. The cast's gun handling is often atrocious. Something I only noticed in recent years. Plus, the M9's are usually Taurus's, the P90's often don't have mounted optics in later seasons and any number of other things. (M249 SAW's aren't FN guns at all. etc.)
I don't fundamentally disagree with your criticism of the show (although I do think some approaches are better than others; I have a soft spot for Stamets' relationship). My beef is when people specifically obsess over a show being too "woke" or otherwise decry "wokeness" in media as evil incarnate. They're not attacking clumsy approaches to diverse characters; by choosing that term, they're attacking the very concept of shows addressing racism and discrimination. I'd add that fixing that rage on a term coined by the Black community may be telling, or at least very poor form. If someone's gripe is with how well diversity is presented in a series, it's really easy for them to say as much instead of using a catchphrase that at best is an oversimplification, and at worst says more about their bitter worldview than it does the show.
This is there the problem lies. You have a group of people that are assuming that someone complaining about wokeness is only doing so because they are racist or have one or more phobias about different sexual preferences is a false assumption. When you look at the shows that are talked about as being woke dumpster fires versus ones that have a great deal of diversity and sexual representation it becomes clear that there is a massive difference in quality. I don't recall anyone talking about True Blood being woke despite a great deal of diversity in the cast. The cast of the 1980's film Predator is diverse but no one mentions that in a negative light. I've never heard anyone say Alien would be better if Ellen Ripley were male. Notice how diversity and inclusion goes completely unnoticed when its done right? But if you want to talk about Supergirl or Batwoman on the CW, they are woke as hell.
I agree with everything here excluding your thoughts on Discovery's characters. I will say, Pike was a solid standout. That much I can agree with.
The show isn't as outwardly woke as some others. However, I'd argue wokeness is at the core of why the show is so bad. It's negatively impacted the quality of the writing and characterization. That being said, one of the show's principal problems is also that the writers are inexperienced and that's why you have a Mary Sue space Jesus type character at the center of it.
Well, and a lot of the time we the audience think "that's demonstrably worse in every way than a normal current-day firearm" based upon what is shown, and we have questions.
The P90 never made sense, but my guess is that they did it because it was new at the time and was cool looking and light weight. The MP5 in contrast is a lot heavier and that's what they carried in the first three seasons.
From the SG1 DVD commentary.
and the show still reeks i could barely finish season one and bailed at he end of season 2. TOS TNG VOYAGER and Enterprise is where it's at for me Picarcd was OK first season second one looks to be an improvement overall.
I wouldn't call either of those characters interesting. In fact, those two are probably some of the furthest from interesting the show has beyond its lead. Discovery doesn't really have interesting characters. They have some that had potential to be interesting but the writers continually squander and waste those opportunities at every turn. Example: The cyborg chick was one of the only interesting characters the show had that wasn't a legacy character and they killed her off. They blew their creative load in doing all of her back story in a single episode killing the potential to explore her character in detail. She had real narrative potential and it went to waste.
I wanted to have a sassy response... but you're right. They weren't "interesting". I just resonated with them. And I'm not interesting. Dangit, misery loves company.
