"Star Trek: Discovery" Renewed for Season 3

nilepez said:
Please provide a source, that isn't the same tired youtube channel that's brought up everytime someone says Discovery is failing.
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no idea what/who youre alluding to but i should have said "claimed 10M"

"CBS does not release viewing figures for Star Trek: Discovery, so it is difficult to know exactly how many people are watching. However, we can estimate a maximum audience for the show from the subscriber numbers we do know......
Finally, we need to account for family viewing and the fact that most families share their SVOD passwords with each other. To be generous, let’s assume that if one person in an All Access household watches Discovery everyone does. Since there are 2.6 people in the average American home, the maximum audience for an episode of Star Trek: Discovery is 780,000. "
https://nscreenmedia.com/cbs-all-access-star-trek-discovery-growth-slows/
 
pendragon1 said:
yeah but viewers have gone from 10M/ep to <1M so they are loosing money for the sake of wokeness.
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I think it is more due to CBS spending $ to fill their streaming service. They don't have a lot of new, original material, so they are willing to spend on something, even if it isn't that good, to have more content. Netflix does this all the time lol
 
Snowdog said:
Get over it. The world is changing/has changed.

When I see these "Woke/SJW" complaints about a show, it tells me nothing about the show. Just that another (likely)old (likely)man is out of touch with how the world is moving on without him.
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thats ageist and sexist

edit: youre from van or to arent ya?
 
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Snowdog said:
Get over it. The world is changing/has changed.

When I see these "Woke/SJW" complaints about a show, it tells me nothing about the show. Just that another (likely)old (likely)man is out of touch with how the world is moving on without him.
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That must be why all the went-woke franchises are failing. They went beyond viewership into another dimension.
 
Meeho said:
That must be why all the went-woke franchises are failing. They went beyond viewership into another dimension.
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I wouldn't know about that.

But the ones under discussion here, have severe writing problems, that are likely more problematic with more more people, than your Woke/SJW boogeywoman.
 
Meeho said:
You can't have good writers and producers and be woke at the same time. That's the main issue.
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As someone else pointed out. Star Trek has always been "Woke".
Fifty Years Ago, “Star Trek” Aired TV’s First Interracial Kiss
For actress Nichelle Nichols, the first black woman to have a continuing co-starring role on TV, it was the beginning of a lifelong career in activism

The episode aired just one year after the U.S. Supreme Court’s Loving v. Virginia decision struck down state laws against interracial marriage. At the time, Gallup polls showed that fewer than 20 percent of Americans approved of such relationships.
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pendragon1 said:
lol
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You can be dismissive all you want, but the truth is that everyone is looking for slights these days. Everyone. From all over the political and social spectrum.

When super woke shit is good, like T2 was then nobody cares. James Cameron is the most woke director ever, after all. When it's abso-fucking-lutely awful like the new Ghostbusters abortion was, it suddenly becomes the reason.

At the end of the day, the truth is wokeness won't fix badness and won't hurt quality either. If your best angle is "BUT THIS TIME HE'S A GIRL" then you've already failed.
 
pendragon1 said:
not the "in yo face and you must love it or youre a bigot" way it is now. there just happened to be diversity, it wasnt about diversity and there was no identity politics.
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I don't even know what has so ruffled your feathers, but I didn't have that problem or notice this. I just noticed terrible writing and acting.

If anything Star Trek is no longer has the agenda pushing dynamic of the original. Roddenberry was 100% about pushing the diversity agenda. They had the most diverse cast on TV, and he had blatant anti-racism episodes. Remember the fight between the two guys were were black and white on opposite sides of their body?

Nichelle Nichols was going to quit the original, and Martin Luther King convinced her to stay, note what Roddenberry had to say:
https://www.popmatters.com/star-trek-and-the-evolution-of-the-kiss-controversy-2495414713.html
The encounter so moved Nichols that she went to Roddenberry to see if she could still keep her job, and Roddenberry was happy to oblige. His reply to her was, “God bless Dr. Martin Luther King. Someone knows, realizes what I’m trying to achieve.” Yet while people like Dr. King applauded Roddenberry’s plan to make a difference, he would receive pushback from network television, which wanted to entertain and avoid offending their audience at all costs.
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Twisted Kidney said:
You can be dismissive all you want, but the truth is that everyone is looking for slights these days. Everyone. From all over the political and social spectrum.

When super woke shit is good, like T2 was then nobody cares. James Cameron is the most woke director ever, after all. When it's abso-fucking-lutely awful like the new Ghostbusters abortion was, it suddenly becomes the reason.

At the end of the day, the truth is wokeness won't fix badness and won't hurt quality either. If your best angle is "BUT THIS TIME HE'S A GIRL" then you've already failed.
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ok ill try to make it simple woke is "in your face/preachiness, men are the root of all evil, we're special and youre goona love it you bigot transphob etc" vs the strong lead happens to be female, the hero happens to be gay, not that those are the defining aspects. its pushing the identity politics to the forefront and focus rather than things just being that way, you have to celebrate it/push it above all else and make it brave and special.
 
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Snowdog said:
As someone else pointed out. Star Trek has always been "Woke".
Fifty Years Ago, “Star Trek” Aired TV’s First Interracial Kiss
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No, it never was. That wasn't woke. Star Trek wasn't preachy, degrading, didn't include poorly written characters for the sake of pushing an agenda to the detriment of the show... It was humanist and had a vision of evolved human society, not bigoted and vile views disguised as enlightened superiority.

If it had been woke, it wouldn't be loved by the same people that made it the hugely popular franchise it was and that hate the 25% visually different, 100% woke shitshow today.

Star Trek was woke as much as social justice warriors are just.
 
A video came out today just about this. Yes, it is from that channel that is disliked by some here, but for those interested:

 
pendragon1 said:
yes and he just did it without flaunting about how special it was, it just was that way. it was normal.
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Not seeing what you are seeing. TOS is blatant today and would have been much more an outlier in it's time than Discovery is today.

Exactly where does discovery go over the top in your view?
 
Snowdog said:
Not seeing what you are seeing. TOS is blatant today and would have been much more an outlier in it's time than Discovery is today.

Exactly where does discovery go over the top in your view?
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watch that video.
 
Snowdog said:
Sorry, I'm not listening to random anonymous whiner drone endlessly on a YT video. At least point to a written article, if you can't articulate your own points.
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ive made my point several times but you *cant seem to understand it. so for a more detailed version watch the video, he lays it out pretty good. there are plenty in here but they are sources you dont like. so there is no point in continuing this.
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Season 1 was bad, Season 2 was ok and in parts actually very good (if still not really star trek), Airiam's episode was very very good for example, only weakened by the fact that they hadn't done more character prep in advance of it. Overall, I think if they'd have actually carried through and made it the Borg Origin story it was looking to be then then it could have been an awesome way to bring it all together and have it make sense why it dissapeared and wasn't mentioned, plus contribute nicely to the overall lore. Alas. Opportunity gone.

I'll see how it goes but I'l definitely watch it. What's messed up is I actually enjoyed Season 2 of Disco a lot more than I'm enjoying Picard. It's a shit-show shit show at the moment.

And seriously, can all the Sci Fi fuck.off with the lens flares. It feels like we're back on voodoo 2's and they've just discovered the effect.

At least I have The Expanse. Now can someone get JMS to redo Babylon 5. Heck most of it just needs reshooting with modern camera's, a decent script doctor for the dialolgue and the effects redoing. Its fundamental nature and narrative would still stand up. So far ahead of its time really but sooooo hard to watch now with the effects.
 
pendragon1 said:
ive made my point several times but you can seem to understand it. so for a more detailed version watch the video, he lays it out pretty good. there are plenty in here but they are sources you dont like. so there is no point in continuing this.
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You said stuff, specificallly: "in your face/preachiness, men are the root of all evil, we're special and youre goona love it you bigot transphob etc" . That seems to be the most detailed "point" you made.

I didn't see those things at all. Not even sure how anyone could see something like that unless it was specifically spelled out, and it wasn't.

So I asked for an example in this show, and you schlep it off on some video about multiple shows/movies.

The show sucks, but it sucks because the lead can't act (and has no charisma), and the writers write nonsensical stories, and non-credible character actions to try and drive a questionable plot.

I only remember one gay couple, as that seems to be some of your problem(guess based on the one line of "point" you posted), but they weren't the leads. So they really can't be the real problem with the show.
 
Snowdog said:
Just that another (likely)old (likely)man is out of touch
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Snowdog said:
more problematic with more more people, than your Woke/SJW boogeywoman.
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Snowdog said:
it looks like boogeywomen are scarier.
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Snowdog said:
I don't even know what has so ruffled your feathers,
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Snowdog said:
blah blah blah

I only remember one gay couple, as that seems to be some of your problem(guess based on the one line of "point" you posted), but they weren't the leads. So they really can't be the real problem with the show.
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stop making assumptions
 
Meeho said:
You can't have good writers and producers and be woke at the same time. That's the main issue.
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You can if it's subtle and not the main plot point. For example Jean Luc could have a been a French tranny all this time but it just wasn't mentioned as a main plot point in TNG. See, that would have made it woke.

Actually the more I think about it, they could totally rewrite Deanna Troi as some intersexed betazoid and it would work given her manly smoker voice these days. 😭😭🤣🤣😂

Also, final plot point idea, when Picard was being tortured by the cardassian in tng, instead of 4 lights it could've gone like this:

Cardassian (wearing a red hat and orange uniform): Tell me, how many genders do you see? (Illustration of 2 genders, a cis man and woman)

Picard (being defiant and woke): THERE ARE...FOUR..GENDERS!!!

😁


Snowdog said:
You said stuff, specificallly: "in your face/preachiness, men are the root of all evil, we're special and youre goona love it you bigot transphob etc" . That seems to be the most detailed "point" you made.

I didn't see those things at all. Not even sure how anyone could see something like that unless it was specifically spelled out, and it wasn't.

So I asked for an example in this show, and you schlep it off on some video about multiple shows/movies.

The show sucks, but it sucks because the lead can't act (and has no charisma), and the writers write nonsensical stories, and non-credible character actions to try and drive a questionable plot.

I only remember one gay couple, as that seems to be some of your problem(guess based on the one line of "point" you posted), but they weren't the leads. So they really can't be the real problem with the show.
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I agree, I don't see much of it too blatantly besides the homosexual couple in Discovery. Some have pointed out the lack of a strong white male character but I'd counter that and say, what about a strong non-white male one? Because that doesn't exist either on Discovery unless you count Ash Tyler and he's still half white or rather klingon now. Pike was a strong character but the show is/was too focused on Michael Burnham as the strong black female that can solve any problem vs her just being part of a strong cast. Some take issue with it being blatant identity politics and it is to a degree but they could have used the same character and just not made her the jack of all trades hero and Discovery probably would have been better. So both sides have a point, there is overt promotion of homosexuality and a black female lead with a male name (pushing the gender fluid identity politics) but even if the two dudes weren't gay and Michael Burnham was played by a white woman named Michelle Burnham, it would still be a shit show because of the bad writing.

So it's not the identity politics that kills Discovery, it's the lack of a strong overall cast that Trek typically has and this doesn't. IMO the best written Trek was DS9 after season 2, it had very strong character development that showed everyone's strengths and weaknesses.

I however think a lot of the anti-woke crowd would have hated the episodes about Sisko being discriminated against as a black male writer in the 1960s episodes or the black man (Bell riots) who ended class discrimination and called it "woke" on social media if the same episodes were made in 2020. They just didn't have the same platform to voice their ethnocentric/racist views in the 90s as they do now. So Star Trek was always woke and blatant with promoting social justice and pushing socialist ideals. Discovery sucks because it breaks Treks writing formula, not because of being woke/SJW.
 
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pendragon1 said:
no idea what/who youre alluding to but i should have said "claimed 10M"

"CBS does not release viewing figures for Star Trek: Discovery, so it is difficult to know exactly how many people are watching. However, we can estimate a maximum audience for the show from the subscriber numbers we do know......
Finally, we need to account for family viewing and the fact that most families share their SVOD passwords with each other. To be generous, let’s assume that if one person in an All Access household watches Discovery everyone does. Since there are 2.6 people in the average American home, the maximum audience for an episode of Star Trek: Discovery is 780,000. "
https://nscreenmedia.com/cbs-all-access-star-trek-discovery-growth-slows/
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  1. that's more than 2 years old (likely in the middle of the first season)
  2. At no point does he claim they went from 10m down to 780k. He just says that's what he believes is the max viewership (which may or may not be true)
  3. it doesn't say anything about wokeness, in fact, what the author implies is that it was a mistake to release it on All Access instead of OTA.
    "Releasing Star Trek: Discovery through All Access deprived it of much of its audience. The show is the least watched Star Trek in the franchise’s history."
So nothing about SJW or wokeness in that article and nothing about falling ratings. Just a very old article about the decision to release Discovery on All Access instead of on CBS or syndicating it.
 
pendragon1 said:
thats ageist and sexist

edit: youre from van or to arent ya?
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Get over it. I'm 55 and you sound like you're 95. Even my 80+ year old very conservative dad likes these shows. He doesn't sit around whining about SJW. He watches the shows and enjoys them And here's another lil secret: if he doesn't like them do you know what he does? You're not going to believe this - hell I can't believe he does it either...it's positively shocking - he watches something else and moves on.

Get over it. Go watch some show from the 70s or 80s (or do you prefer the 50s and 60s?).
pendragon1 said:
not the "in yo face and you must love it or youre a bigot" way it is now. there just happened to be diversity, it wasnt about diversity and there was no identity politics.
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BS. It was so woke and in your face that many affiliates wouldn't air it.
pendragon1 said:
ive made my point several times but you *cant seem to understand it. so for a more detailed version watch the video, he lays it out pretty good. there are plenty in here but they are sources you dont like. so there is no point in continuing this.
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You mean like when you posted the article from January 2018 (in the middle of season 1) that had nothing to do with falling ratings to support your unsubstantiated claim that it was losing millions of viewers because of wokeness? The only thing you've proven is you see wokeness everywhere and are incapable of finding sources to backup your claims.
 
5150Joker said:
You can if it's subtle and not the main plot point. For example Jean Luc could have a been a French tranny all this time but it just wasn't mentioned as a main plot point in TNG. See, that would have made it woke.

Actually the more I think about it, they could totally rewrite Deanna Troi as some intersexed betazoid and it would work given her manly smoker voice these days. 😭😭🤣🤣😂

Also, final plot point idea, when Picard was being tortured by the cardassian in tng, instead of 4 lights it could've gone like this:

Cardassian (wearing a red hat and orange uniform): Tell me, how many genders do you see? (Illustration of 2 genders, a cis man and woman)

Picard (being defiant and woke): THERE ARE...FOUR..GENDERS!!!

😁
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You kid, but soon I won't be able to tell if you're joking or retelling the latest episode.


I however think a lot of the anti-woke crowd would have hated the episodes about Sisko being discriminated against as a black male writer in the 1960s episodes or the black man (Bell riots) who ended class discrimination and called it "woke" on social media if the same episodes were made in 2020. They just didn't have the same platform to voice their ethnocentric/racist views in the 90s as they do now. So Star Trek was always woke and blatant with promoting social justice and pushing socialist ideals. Discovery sucks because it breaks Treks writing formula, not because of being woke/SJW.
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That was one of the weaker DS9 episodes, though. And unlike today, they didn't base the whole series on it and it didn't break ST canon, was competently written and greatly acted for the most part.
 
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5150Joker said:
I however think a lot of the anti-woke crowd would have hated the episodes about Sisko being discriminated against as a black male writer in the 1960s episodes or the black man (Bell riots) who ended class discrimination and called it "woke" on social media if the same episodes were made in 2020. They just didn't have the same platform to voice their ethnocentric/racist views in the 90s as they do now. So Star Trek was always woke and blatant with promoting social justice and pushing socialist ideals. Discovery sucks because it breaks Treks writing formula, not because of being woke/SJW.
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That was a great DS9 episode.

The complaints about SJW/Woke are just a distraction from discussing the real problems that wreck discovery.

They managed to screw up "Enterprise" without going "woke". Bad writing and lack of compelling characters killed it, just like here. Both are prequels that don't really fit the universe, which also contributed.
 
CBS hasn't released any numbers, but apparently Picard is being played on the air in Canada, so they have viewership numbers: https://boundingintocomics.com/2020...rship-plummets-over-half-a-million-in-canada/

The show's premier had 1.85M viewers.

With Episode 5 only clocking in 1.309 million, it lost 111,000 viewers. That’s almost a 30% decline in viewership in just 5 episodes.


The show is losing on average 108,000 viewers per episode. It has lost 542,000 total since the premiere episode.
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I don't know anything about this site, I just saw a link to this article from somewhere else.
 
I'm just into it for the Wiseman gunt..... Something about redheads. Sometimes she looks good, and sometimes I'm all wow, that's a pear, and perhaps that's not a good angle.



Gunt.....
 
1_rick said:
CBS hasn't released any numbers, but apparently Picard is being played on the air in Canada, so they have viewership numbers: https://boundingintocomics.com/2020...rship-plummets-over-half-a-million-in-canada/

The show's premier had 1.85M viewers.



I don't know anything about this site, I just saw a link to this article from somewhere else.
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welp those 111k are missing out because it's getting interesting the last couple episodes. just goes to show the attention span of people these days though.. TNG was absolute trash for 3 seasons and turned into a great show.. yet people can't even deal with 5 episodes that were designed to fill in the time gap between TNG and when this show takes place along with setting up the story at the same time.
 
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welp those 111k are missing out because it's getting interesting the last couple episodes. just goes to show the attention span of people these days though.. TNG was absolute trash for 3 seasons and turned into a great show.. yet people can't even deal with 5 episodes that were designed to fill in the time gap between TNG and when this show takes place along with setting up the story at the same time.
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My attention span is shit. If I'm not interested in a show within the first episode, I'm done.
 
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