Spectre update causing problems...

Discussion in 'Operating Systems' started by M76, Jul 12, 2018.

  1. M76

    M76 [H]ardness Supreme

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    Yesterday's windows update supposedly included some side channel speculative execution vulnerability fix.

    My computer which was stable until now started throwing bluescreens, and it feels even more sluggish now.
    This one is a Core2Duo, so every little bit hurts.

    That's exactly why I said I want spectre related patches to be strictly opt-in.
     
  2. ManofGod

    ManofGod [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Quit your whining and go back to Windows 7 already, at least on that computer. Core2Duo are damn slow today for Windows 10, at least from the experience I have had with them. Core2Quads still work good with it though.
     
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  3. M76

    M76 [H]ardness Supreme

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    This computer happens to be running windows 7 pro.

    99% of PCs still run 7 here, and 99% of the problems is with the ones running 10, curious eh?
     
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  4. Tiberian

    Tiberian DILLIGAFuck

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    Uninstall that update and move on, simple. Anyone using Windows Update set to automagically update, even on Windows 7, is just asking for trouble as Microsoft does more sneaky underhanded crap to ruin Windows 7 by mucking up stuff with the updates and then doing a shrugged shoulders kinda reaction like "We don't know why you're having problems... but Windows 10 is much better..." or words to that effect.
     
  5. ManofGod

    ManofGod [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Not curious one way or the other. It was just natural to assume it was Windows 10 since that is mostly what you have typing about..... Oh well, it happens. Windows 7, that is easy to remove and you can even hide the update to not install again, easy, eh? :D
     
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  6. thebufenator

    thebufenator Gawd

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    Maybe try Windows 10. I know you hate it. But, crazy as it seems, the current release of Windows gets more release testing that Windows 7.

    /shock
     
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  7. ChadD

    ChadD I Love TEXAS

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    You really are running the wrong OS... considering you are running a core chip.

    Kill your windows with fire already....

    Find a Linux distro you like;
    To disable Spectre Variant 2 add the following parameter to your grub boot;
    spectre_v2=off (or nospectre_v2)
    To disable Meltdown add the following parameter to your grub boot;
    pti=off (or nopti)
    To disable Spectre Variant 4 add the following parameter to your grub boot;
    nospec_store_bypass_disable

    Update to any future kernel you want knowing your performance won't be killed to patch a chip vulnerability that you really don't have to worry about on a home PC.

    Clearly your machine will be less secure... but I doubt your running a bank on a Core2 chip. Those chips are hit extremely hard by the meltdown/spectre patches... I know from experience running fully patched Core2 systems isn't much faster then running a 486.
     
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  8. Chuklr

    Chuklr Gawd

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    This would be good advice if the problem M76 is posting about is his home computer, but in this thread, one you posted in, he says he works for a firm and has to come in behind a contractor to try to resolve issues they say they can't solve. Since he seems not have the authority to throw out all the Windows based machines and convert them to another OS your post does not seem to be responsive to his problem.
     
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  9. thebufenator

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    oh, then the firm is at fault. Running archaic hardware with a 9 year old OS and expecting modern security patches to keep working is insanity.

    Shoot, I had spectre patches causing problems on modern Intel hardware. Somehow my AMD hardware has been fine with all the updates.......

    Thanks a lot Intel.
     
  10. M76

    M76 [H]ardness Supreme

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    Actually it is my fault this is the only one remaining core2 still in use, and I use it, for email and posting garbage here and stuff. If I had a day when I had absolutely nothing to do I'd move my shop to a newer computer. I got this one in 2008 and been using it ever since.

    Regardless I'd still fear for my backside if I suggested AMD for the next HW acquisition.
     
  11. thebufenator

    thebufenator Gawd

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    You think modern AMD hardware is not good?

    All the spectre/meltdown patch issues have really not affected AMD. That alone should make them something to consider.
     
  12. M76

    M76 [H]ardness Supreme

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    It has nothing to do with being good. They'd just look at me funny, and if anything ever happens, even if it is completely unrelated to the cpu, guess who gets blamed? "Why did you choose AMD!"
     
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  13. bigdogchris

    bigdogchris Wii was a Novelty

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    Stop running a 2018 OS on a 2008 CPU. Problem solved?
     
  14. M76

    M76 [H]ardness Supreme

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    Even if it was Windows 10 that is still a 2015 OS.
     
  15. Mazzspeed

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    So it actually doesn't need to even run Windows?

    Core 2 Duo and mechanical HDD = Slow HDD polling mess under Windows 7. Install Linux if this is all the PC is used for and give it a new lease on life.
     
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  16. ChadD

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    Even just find a old scrap hard drive install Linux with a dual boot on that. Core duos really do suck with security patched windows of any flavor. Those chips leaned really heard on the speculative stuffs. At least in Linux you can turn all that specific stuff off and still be patched for everything that doesn't really kill performance.

    The not installing Specific windows update stuff is a massive pita imo... and at some point MS is likely to roll those patches up or something. At least in Linux turning off that stuff... chances are your still 100% safe even if you are attacked. No one is whipping out 4-5 different Linux hacks trying to get into an old core2 system.

    If you really really don't want to mess with the work computer... create a Persistent Linux Live USB. You can setup persistent Ubutnu or Fedora fairly easily.
     
  17. M76

    M76 [H]ardness Supreme

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    FFS man, you think I have the time to install linux on it if I can't spare the time to simply throw the SSD into a newer computer? The whole point of not moving is that I Have a system where every piece of data and spreadsheet that I need is at my fingertips.
     
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  18. Mazzspeed

    Mazzspeed Gawd

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    Right.

    So you're going to whine about Windows, but absolutely nothing else is an option because you're going to make up some excuse every time someone mentions anything but Windows? What are you hoping, that someone from Microsoft is going to read this thread and fix all your problems for you? My business also runs under Linux just fine including the reading of spreadsheets, everything and more is at my fingertips. However I didn't mention such an OS in your scenario due to your obvious need for specific Windows based software that's obviously important to the running of your business, however you stated yourself that this machine isn't such a machine and yet you still manage to shift the goal posts?

    I was trying to be helpful, how about laying off the arrogance - FFS. ;)
     
  19. Chuklr

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    This isn't M76's personal property. This is the property of the firm he works for. The firm he works for requires that Microsoft Windows and Intel processors be used. Linux is not an option. So your post was not helpful.
     
  20. M76

    M76 [H]ardness Supreme

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    Noted. What you think is helpful is actually annoying when it is the fourth? or fifth? time (I lost count) just this week where I have to explain that linux is not an option, and that I'm perfectly fine with linux, I used multiple distros over the years when the task fit the bill or outright required it. But as a workstation it is no good due to the apps we use. As a home computer it is no good due to the games I want to be able to run.

    It gets really really annoying.when you post about a problem you're having with windows and 3 out of 5 posters regurarly say nothing but "LINUX" It really is not helpful.

    It's like going into a car forum to ask about a problem with your car and you get "scrap your car, get a prius" two thirds of the time.
     
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  21. Mazzspeed

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    You obviously didn't read my post.

    To quote M76:

    As stated, I am more than fully aware of M76's wants and needs regarding the software he uses for his business. As stated by M76 himself, this was an ageing PC that was different to the others, "it was only used for email and posting garbage here and stuff." Therefore I suggested that Linux may have been a better option for that machine.

    I am not trying to sell him Linux, I do not care what OS he prefers, it was a suggestion as Linux does run better on older hardware. There is no need to get so ridiculously defensive, the FFS comment was in no way warranted.
     
  22. Mazzspeed

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    The issue is you're venting. Your problems with Windows cannot be realistically fully resolved as long as you stick with Windows. Therefore people offer alternatives.

    I'm going to highlight my point again, you were the one that stated that this ageing core 2 PC had different uses to the others, that was the only reason I mentioned Linux on that particular PC only and being told that my post was not helpful when that was my only intention is actually quite offensive. It's an operating system, there's no need to get defensive over an operating system.
     
  23. Chuklr

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    Read M76's Post #20 as it confirms the computer in question is not his personal computer, but one owned by the firm he works for:

    I read your post. M76 has not refuted one of my posts and he has had the opportunity to do so. In fact, he "Liked" my Post #8 which stated what I restated in Post #19.
     
  24. Mazzspeed

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    I'm not really interested in dragging this thread off topic as a result of some who said what argument. However I think it's fairly obvious that M76's comment above was made after the fact. I've made my point, I was only trying to help based on information provided by the OP in relation to this particular Core 2 PC and I think it's time to get discussion back on topic now. :)
     
  25. B00nie

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    Try setting your power configuration to 'standard' or 'performance' if you have it on power save. That fixed a few recent laptops bluescreening lately.