Sources: The Upgraded PlayStation 4 is Codenamed NEO, Contains Upgraded CPU, GPU, RAM

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  1. polonyc2

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    Games that ship able to take advantage of the new PlayStation 4 Pro's capabilities will carry a special logo on their game case, and it'll show up on them in the PlayStation Store, too....It's reminiscent of the "Better With Kinect" or "Only On PlayStation" riders that framed the box art of the past console generation..."Look for the 'PS4TM Pro Enhanced' icon on software packaging....'PS4TM Pro Enhanced' features vary by game...Select titles may have enhanced visuals, frame rate, HDR 10 support, or increases in resolution."says Sony...

    PlayStation 4 Pro-enhanced games have special box art. Here's what it looks like.
     
  2. Domingo

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    For the people that have an HDR-enabled TV, how big of a deal is it to you personally? How much content (outside the new PS4) uses it or is there some option to "fake" it with all content?
    A TV, especially a large one, isn't something you can just trade in for a newer model, so I'm curious if it's worth trying to get 75% value on Craiglist and buy a newer model that has it.
     
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    Personally I think HDR is a bigger deal than 4K and makes more of an immediate difference to me than 4K did. Right now content is limited to Netflix, Amazon, and Vudu (I believe?) in terms of streaming and UHD Blurays for physical content. The PS4, PS4 Pro, and Xbox One S [will] all support it so I expect developers to start implementing it more and more. The technology/feature is still very new though, sets only started coming out with it last year so expect more to come. My advice is to go see the difference yourself in store, many of the HDR TV's run demos showing off the difference.
     
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    I think that might be in the cards. It got adopted faster than I expected. I figure I can probably sell my current TV on Craiglist and hopefully get about 75% of the value for the newer version of it that supports it.
    As always, I supposed I'm a little paranoid that something newer/better will become an even more common standard the following year.
     
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    I saw HDR in the store (LG OLED sets), it looked really quite amazing. Definitely not marketing BS, it's the real deal. Sadly, I only had space for a 40" TV in my room, and it's really hard to find high quality TVs in that size. I ended up going with the Samsung KU6300. It does technically support HDR (HDR10 standard that Xbox One S and PS4 Pro use) but the panel itself is only 8-bit. So it can't really display all the colors. I haven't figured out how to play HDR content from my computer yet, so I'm waiting on the PS4 Pro to test it out.
     
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    like others have stated...HDR is a game changer...I feel bad for anyone that bought a 4K set without it...4K by itself is not all that amazing unless you're sitting 1 foot from the screen but HDR + 4K + OLED is a game-changer...you want an example then go watch a movie in a Dolby Cinema (features HDR + Dolby Atmos) screen...wow I saw Force Awakens in my local Dolby Vision theater here in NYC and it was simply the most stunning, clear image I have ever seen...not to mention the amazing audio...even better then IMAX...I was waiting for OLED prices to drop a bit before diving in and I'm glad I waited
     
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    75% of the value?...lol good luck with that...no way are you going to be able to get 75% value of the new HDR set by selling your current set which is over 2 years old...I would think people that buy higher end models would be somewhat knowledgeable and are looking for bargains...if someone pays you 75% then they are insane...TV value diminishes fast
     
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    It's worked for the last 2 sets I've had. When you factor in how much tax adds to a purchase over a grand, people are more willing to do it than you might think. On Amazon my current model is $1300 and the newer model is $1700, so it's not like these are exactly high end. If I do it, I'll start at $1200 and see where it takes me. It's Craigslist, so everyone loves to try and short you at the last second and say "I have $1100, is that cool?" anyway :p
     
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    Its not a big deal to me personally, it seems a little gimmicky and I actually kind of dislike it. I just want crisp, uncompressed 4k with good black levels and good color accuracy and im happy.
     
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    Not having a UHD player in the PS4 Pro doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'm stuck in my ways of using video game consoles to play video games.
     
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    again, unlike blu-ray/HDDVD there is really no huge driver for 4k adoption because 1080p is "good enough" to most folks. It's not the unbelievable leap from SD to HD like there was when the PS3 came out. Sure, i'd prefer if i could use the PS4 pro with 4k BDs, but ultimately it's not really a huge deal breaker by any stretch. Only haters and videophiles really have a problem and that makes up for a minority of people who would actually buy this system anyway. Just more stoked about a mid season upgrade to a console.
     
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    That's my whole point. It doesn't play games at 4k. The only 4k thing you can do on it is Netflix and YouTube. And that pales in comparison to true UHD Blueray uncompressed video.

    So if you have a 4k TV why not just use your PS4 and let your TV up convert it to 4k. That will be no different than what the ps4 pro will be doing.

    Sony's whole marketing point was about 4k. Yet it is really just a 400 dollar Roku. Without UHD Blueray support.
     
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    No, that's not true. It can support gaming at 4K. Granted, most games will probably internally render at a lower resolution and scale up (same as many console games don't even render full 1080p today), but this should look better than playing at 1080P and letting the TV upscale.

    For example, if you have a UHD display, watch this video at full quality. It looks practically like a full 4K render, and certainly much better than 1080P scaled by the TV.



    Or this video, where the game is still running at 1080P on both systems, but the PS4 Pro has improved graphics and details.

     
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    Lol, it does not matter if the PS4 upscales the video or your TV does, there is only so much you can do with upscaling. It's pretty much the same process, everyone says their product has a secret sauce algorithm that does it better but like I said there is only so much you can do with upscaling. Maybe if you have a black Friday 300 dollar 4k TV the ps4 pro might* upscale a little bit better than the TV but we don't know that yet because the PS4 pro is not out yet.
     
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    Yes, it does make a difference. The PS4 Pro could, for example, be rendering the game at 1440P, so would look better than scaling up from 1080P. Also, the game developers could be rendering different layers at different resolutions. For example the HUD and UI could be full 4K, and the game environment at 1080P. Or even have the gun in an FPS game rendered at 4K but the level rendered at 1440P, etc. There are many options or tricks the developer could enable that would result in a better experience than just allowing the TV to scale up from 1080P.
     
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    Your whole point is wrong. See: The Last of Us

    Sure it won't play every game at 4k native but not every game is 1080p native on the non-Pro.

    And like I said, I use my video game consoles to play video games. I don't care about Netflix bit rates compared to physical media. I care about games.
     
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    Selling my TV has been far more challenging than I thought. The last two have been gone (at a good price) in hours.
    No serious bites in 4 days with this one. I think the price drops on newer models (the Sammy KS8000 is only $1700) is hurting my odds more than I figured. I'm going to hold out and give it a week to see if I can pull a grand. I think selling a huge item probably isn't helping either.
     
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    Walmart is trying to sell 32" 720P TV Monitors you wonder why they don't sell

    Right now I have 7 monitors would like to ditch 1-2 of them......
     
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    I want to get a Playstation Pro just for Destiny 2 alone hopefully it has Random Matchmaking for Raids :bored:
    I wonder if the system would run at 1440P? I would settle for 1080P and 60+ FPS
     
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    I'm trying to drop a pristine 65" 4K TV for $900 and people are throwing offers at me like $300. I was able to move a 4 year old 50" 720p rear-projection for $500 just a couple years ago. In less than a day. A good friend did the exact same thing with a 1080p model a year later.

    Just looking at my local Craigslist postings, it seems like $500 is right around the cutoff for anything short of a car. People just aren't budging on anything over that amount. I'm thinking it might just be too much of a hassle getting that much cash together for a used item. There are actually some killer deals out there that are gathering dust as a result.
     
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    Call the local recycling center :LOL: I bet the people contacting you want to resell it.
    I had to give away my CRTs at the rummage sale. Sold a IPS monitor for 30.00 which I wish I still had now.
     
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    Glad I was patient. Got everything done over the weekend. Now I need to move my receiver next. That has been very easy/quick in the past, so hopefully that's still the case. Got a Denon on the way.
     
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    There needs to be a PS4 Pro 4k supported game list somewhere.

    Anywho, Cd Projekt announced they wouldn't be adding a 4k patch for TW3, which kind of sucks.
     
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    I'd guess that as things get closer to release (probably around November 1) we'll probably get a list of games getting PS4 Pro updates.
     
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    Honestly it was probably the OLED technology you seen that was actually impressing you. The contrast, color popping and black levels look amazing in those dim show rooms.
     
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    I actually think we'll see less and less of this as time goes on, now that consoles are pseudo-PC, homogenized devices. I can't see much of a reason that MS and Sony can't provide enough units early on at this point.
     
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    Amazon has been claiming all orders will show up on release day and it's been available for nearly a month. My local Best Buy is still taking day 1 orders. Other systems have full-on sold out all pre-orders in days.
    Either they have a lot of these ready to roll or the demand isn't that high.
     
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    So I'm reading about the Playstation pro in Game Informer even they say it won't be true 4k it will be displayed on a 4K screen is all they are saying and it will look better.
    Going from 1.84 TFlops to 4.2 Tflops will make a big difference. They even list how far back you should be from a 4k TV to see the difference or not.

    Personally the game lineup for the PS4 isn't very good exclusives wise I mean they have like Zero good exclusives in the lineup.
    Remember Uncharted that is what I thought with games like Destiny 2 going to be on the PC. The only exclusive they have now is God of War 4 oh and Deep Down.
    I just think the system is a door stop until it gets some more exclusives. The PS4 also looks like a Door Stop if you think about the how angled it is.

    I even attempted to wipe my PS4 drive recently to sell it but it didn't work so I'm stuck with the thing and so are like 20 million other people.
     
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    Well trolled sir.


    Something tells me if you're retail edge-ing processors, you aren't leaving a PS4 in the closet unsold.
     
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    The more I read about it, the more I think MSFT is doing the right thing with Scorpio and letting things percolate until hardware and software can provide a real upgrade. In addition to allowing for the inclusion of a much more powerful GPU (effectively something between a GTX 1070 and 1080, 60-70% faster than the rx 470 in the PS4 Pro), it will give developers more time to re-code some of the upcoming games.

    With the PS4 Pro, you're getting something that a) isn't powerful enough to render 4k, b) won't have many games to show off the added muscle initially. In my view, if I was buying a new PS4 now, I'd probably go for it, but it's not really an upgrade over OG PS4.

    It's a shame, because I really do prefer the exclusives on PS4 and would have loved to see what they could do with a Scorpio-level upgrade.
     
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    How do you know in 2018 Sony won't release another updated one better than the Scorpio? That's why I don't like this back and forth because it is a complete waste of time. Buy the console that has games you want and stop worrying about what's "more powerful", because at that rate you'll never buy.
     
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    The issue I see is an Rx 470 doesn't really get you to a place where you're at to use the two new "game changer" features/improvements out there: VR (at least not respectably) and 4k (upscaling very much doesn't count, in my view). You can quote Sony all you want saying "Ps4 pro will offer VR, it will have 4k", but those of us familiar with these GPUs know there's no amount of console magic that will get a 470 to deliver these features respectably. A 1070/80 does get you these things.

    I get you on the "get the one that plays the games you like" point, and agree if your a new owner, but I just don't see the use getting the PS4 Pro when I already have an OG. I do, however, see getting a console that gives me real new features/improvements.

    As for the upgrade cycle, I sincerely doubt Sony will be coming with another upgrade above the Pro until 2020.
     
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    IMO they will put another out before 2020. There's really no reason not to. The tech is all very iterative now, no major architecture changes especially if they stay on the AMD side, or unless they go to Zen or something like that I guess. Even then, not a HUGE difference. (obviously a new chipset is needed to support a change like that) They could however rely on more power from die-shrinks, and just go with a new GPU portion, and hit Scorpio+ numbers by 2018-2019.

    That said, I do agree that it's definitely not up to the task to real 4K. I think VR is debatable though. I've already read good things about PSVR. Sure they're not going to be able to offer the same level of detail there as what they can put on-screen, but VR is still pretty much in its infancy for this generation. I'd actually be happy to see something like Tron 2.0 on it, and that really wouldn't require too much from the hardware to look fantastic. I think it's more about what they DO with it than purely what the visuals look like compared to monitor/TV based graphics.

    I don't have a PS4, but there are a couple of games I want to get for it, so I think grabbing the Pro would be the way to go when they're available. I also agree though that if you already have one, it wouldn't matter as much, and it might be best to wait and see if something does show up in the next two years. It's probably a good idea for Sony to sit back with the Pro for a bit, watch what happens with Scorpio, and see what the landscape actually looks like. Then decide whether to go sooner or later.
     
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    I sincerely hope there isn't another PS4 past the Pro/Neo. I'd rather have a major jump than this incremental process. The upgraded consoles are being held back by the older models and the older ones are left with inferior versions of games. The fact that the consoles aren't modular leave us with no choice but to drop $400 every 2-3 years. Either that or get stuck in a cycle of half-assed upgrades that are better...but how much better?
    Even if I end up with both of them, I hope that the PS4 Pro and Project Scorpio are both colossal failures.
     
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    That's completely a matter of perspective, but I get what you're saying. On the other side, you could say that the games are staying the same for the base console through the whole intended product cycle, and that enhanced version are there for those that feel like spending a little extra.

    Same as a PC.

    I also see the perspective that you mentioned though.

    I really don't see anywhere for them to go though. They've settled on PC hardware. PC hardware is generally fairly expensive. (in relative terms) No more CPU competition from PowerPC. No more custom chips. The consoles from Sony and MS have homogenized, and they've settled on low-mid range APU parts to keep costs down. The only logical alternative is PCs, which also have a very rapid upgrade cycle. If they tried to stick with a classic console life-span, they would get left in the dust. Since they've decided on off-the-shelf-AMD parts, they're relegated to what's affordable in that space. Also, people have showed several times what they expect console prices to be, and they won't go much further over that. They MIGHT spend more on a PC since it can do more than play games.

    They've painted themselves into a corner, and the only way around it is to shorten the expected life-span, or release on tick-tock and possibly even tick-tock-twickety :p cycles.

    Unless things were to revert back to custom chips, new technology pushing gaming that didn't come down from the PC segment, I don't see much of a way around it. I also don't see software developers wanting to go back to the old ways as it means much more work for them, or choosing to stay exclusive to one manufacturer.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if console specs and hardware revisions become less and less a thing as streaming/internet speeds become better. I imagine at some point, these consoles will become more 'streaming services' ala Netflix and run on a variety of hardware.