Sony: Would someone please think of the children!

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Sony takes their recent stance on sexual content to the next level by implementing new stricter guidelines for what is 'acceptable' on their platform. They blame the #metoo movement and gamergate, and of course think of the children!

Sony is implementing stricter rules on sexual content in its PlayStation video games, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.

"Sony is concerned the company could become a target of legal and social action," a Sony representative told the Journal.

Whatever the exact rules, some developers aren't happy. There have been instances where developers had to cover up characters using light rays, smoke or similar effects, and there's a fear this will curb creativity among developers. It's not always clear what will cross the line, either. Creators may have to spend extra production time altering cutscenes and characters, even if they thought a game was relatively safe.

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Sony wants to be wokest of the woke it seems, but they claim it is only out of fear of legal action. I didn't know videogame characters were threatening legal action.

A always take it for granted that sexual moralizing in public is a sign of hypocrisy or worse, and often a desire to perform the very act that is being condemned ...Christopher Hitchens
 
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The underlying issue is one of double standards. I'm reminded of the whole lesbian backstory thing between two Overwatch characters.

The aim of the backstory isnt to normalize LGBTQI+ personas, but to titillate a predominantly male (and cis/heteronormative) gaming audience. It is a cynical ploy aimed squarely at hormone fueled young males.

A gay doom guy? Max Payne the transman? Aint never gonna fly and you know it. It's still a sad reality to this day that the word gay is used disparagingly - and of course its roots lie in male homophobia and sexual objectification of women. "DLC is gay". This that the other is gay if it's bad. That rubbish needs to stop.

It is a problem that the gaming industry onlyhas itself to blame for, even though it did not cause the underlying cultural issue.

In my view, the industry is hardly cowtowing to sexual moralizing by starting to take a stand. Quite the contrary - itis a backlash precisely against the one-sided patriarchal sexual moralizing so pervasive in all aspects of the entertainment industry, and it is long overdue.
 

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In my view, the industry is hardly cowtowing to sexual moralizing by starting to take a stand. Quite the contrary - itis a backlash precisely against the one-sided patriarchal sexual moralizing so pervasive in all aspects of the entertainment industry, and it is long overdue.
The people who want to supress the sexuality of humans are those who are afraid of their own repressed desires. They want to suppress something because they are afraid they might like it.
It is not sony that is engaged in sexual moralizing, it is a the those who constantly cry about depictions. Sony is just catering to their wishes. Which is not a majority wish.

Featuring some conduct in a game is not an endorsement of it. If that was the case nothing should be depicted in games, least of all murder. But they are happy with murder and violence, but sexually attractive outfits? no. Sexual acts? - no. This is the real double standard. We know murder is bad, and we know rape is bad, yet they only want to supress the depiction of one and not the other. No I'm not saying both should be censored. I'm saying it is part of artistic expression. If someone is sensitive to one or another they should not play that game. That's why the ESRB and such rating systems were created so that the consumer can know that yes this game has murder or sex in it.
 
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I agree with you on that. Sex is a natural and beautiful aspect of the human condition, violence less so, if at all. I'd rather have my kids see hanky panky than violence, but as you say the latter gets a season pass whereas sexuality is deemed the debbils work.

That being said, it isnt as simple as that, and it has to do with social power. Males are in the drivers seat in pretty much every culture out there and the prevailing zeitgeist in any sort of entertainment has us seeing idealised norms that flow from the.male psyche. Badass male protagonists who always get the girl. Traditional ideas of expected behaviour from women, who should be docile, attractive and submissive. If you have a female character that breaks that mould, it is only in emulation of male characters and their traits.

The point is that men have always held the keys and they guard the gates and any standard, even a sex vs violence double standard, is a result of masculine norms bubbling to the surface. None of this backlash is against the end result, but rather the cultural baggage that creates these artifacts to begin with.

I honestly dont see the message as being "sex is bad". It isnt sexual sensorship. It is a request that any sexual content is balanced between the sexes and genders and does not harm vulnerable women and girls by continuing to focus on them as objects for sexual gratification at the exclusion of similar content that objectifies the male body - and we both know that simply doesnt not happen.

Gay males are sneered at. Male genitalia are verboten in most mass consumed media. And why? Because male power and all the unverbalised insecurites about penis size and all that other rubbish that ensures that the sexual content we are getting is set up to appeal to males almost exclusively.
 

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Since when did Sony have any morals ?
Ultra violence in games is ok , but a bit of nudity, no way.
Sony could just put a pg rating on it and you know , let the parents decide.
 

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I agree with you on that. Sex is a natural and beautiful aspect of the human condition, violence less so, if at all. I'd rather have my kids see hanky panky than violence, but as you say the latter gets a season pass whereas sexuality is deemed the debbils work.
I don't see it as it getting a pass, there is nothing to give a pass for, it is fiction. Regulating fiction is censorship.

That being said, it isnt as simple as that, and it has to do with social power. Males are in the drivers seat in pretty much every culture out there and the prevailing zeitgeist in any sort of entertainment has us seeing idealised norms that flow from the.male psyche. Badass male protagonists who always get the girl. Traditional ideas of expected behaviour from women, who should be docile, attractive and submissive. If you have a female character that breaks that mould, it is only in emulation of male characters and their traits.
That's exactly part of the problem. It is not a "male" who is in the driver seat, but an ambitious individual who worked towards their goal. It has nothing to do with being male or female. Putting women on a pedestal is actually demeaning to them because it is like they are some sort of special needs individuals. I wholeheartedly reject that notion. I think women are equal and should be treated as equals.
It is not expected of female characters in games to be docile or submissive. That's a lie and a strawman. The best characters in videogames are the opposite of that.
And I'm sorry, but who the hell views Lara Croft as emulating a man for example? That is another outlandish assertion.

The point is that men have always held the keys and they guard the gates and any standard, even a sex vs violence double standard, is a result of masculine norms bubbling to the surface. None of this backlash is against the end result, but rather the cultural baggage that creates these artifacts to begin with.
There is no gate, as there is no glass ceiling. Them taking away sexy characters from games won't make me respect real women any more or less. But it will certainly make me enjoy the game less, or deem it not worth playing at all. It's not as if the male form is not an idealized version in games as well. And it is just as well.

I honestly dont see the message as being "sex is bad". It isnt sexual sensorship. It is a request that any sexual content is balanced between the sexes and genders and does not harm vulnerable women and girls by continuing to focus on them as objects for sexual gratification at the exclusion of similar content that objectifies the male body - and we both know that simply doesnt not happen.
You are having a laugh are you? Did you ever see a game with a male lead that was depicted as an average ugly guy?

Gay males are sneered at. Male genitalia are verboten in most mass consumed media. And why? Because male power and all the unverbalised insecurites about penis size and all that other rubbish that ensures that the sexual content we are getting is set up to appeal to males almost exclusively.
What? Every genitalia is banned, starting from female nipples. I haven't seen such concentrated nonsense in my life. Males are the biggest consumers of heterosexual porn, and what do you get there? Hm? I'll let you figure that one out.
 

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It is shame. Sony you are a Japanese company. Since when do you care about offending people? If you want to lose the next console gen this is a good start for it. Get your shit together. Nintendo as company that is viewed as a family friendly console has become less redistricting then you. MS who is a American company and more valuable to this SJW shit give no fuck about the bullshit. For now at least.
 
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This timeline, I'm telling you, where we have Jack Thompson as a games advocate and Nintendo being less censorious on their platform than Sony.
 

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I agree with you on that. Sex is a natural and beautiful aspect of the human condition, violence less so, if at all. I'd rather have my kids see hanky panky than violence, but as you say the latter gets a season pass whereas sexuality is deemed the debbils work.

100% of perverts agree with this statement. Dude, wtf! There is nothing beautiful about typical pprnography. It is proven to have negative effects on the developing psyche, unlike violence. This thinking is why we have so many ferries and perverts flocking around our big cities.
 

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100% of perverts agree with this statement. Dude, wtf! There is nothing beautiful about typical pprnography. It is proven to have negative effects on the developing psyche, unlike violence. This thinking is why we have so many ferries and perverts flocking around our big cities.

I am curious, can you provide me some studies so I can accept this information?
 
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100% of perverts agree with this statement. Dude, wtf! There is nothing beautiful about typical pprnography. It is proven to have negative effects on the developing psyche, unlike violence. This thinking is why we have so many ferries and perverts flocking around our big cities.

I *really* hope you forgot a "\s" there, otherwise you do realize it's 2019 and not 1800s Puritan 'murica right?
 

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I *really* hope you forgot a "\s" there, otherwise you do realize it's 2019 and not 1800s Puritan 'murica right?

Really, you are the type clapping for a boys dressing up as women and getting paraded around at gay strip clubs? What in this Puritan 'murica' you mock are you not allowed to see. You can literally in 2 seconds call up images and videos of any sexual perversion you want from any location in the country, but yeah you are living in a Handmaiden's Tale fantasy of oppression. I swear you on the left are mentally insane in your delusions of suffering.
 

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I appreciate you citing references but labeling and attacking people is not the way to go about proving your point. It just creates a sense of arrogance and ignorance that most people will disregard. Also your article seems to be more of link to pornography as an addiction, there is no doubt people can be addicted to pornography. But my question is regarding children being exposed to it early in particular and if it has a negative effect on their mental development. I had access to PPV and the internet by the time I was 6 so I have seen some shit, man.
 
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They should put light rays and steam in front of blood and gore while they're at it. :rolleyes:
 

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I don't really make a big deal out of this stuff. I just assume that consoles will be a more controlled environment, with more restrictions, and that PC is a more uncontrolled environment with less restrictions. This is just fine IMO.
 

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I just don't see why '*every* modern game not aimed at kiddies has to have nudity and sex. Even if it really has nothing to do with the main story line. I'm not talking about attractively rendered CGI females in skimpy outfits, I mean outright nudity and pornographic sex scenes.
 

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It’s Sony’s house - they can can do what they want.

I can choose to purchase what I want, from Sony or otherwise.

I feel that’s the appropriate response. I don’t see the need to turn this into yet another MeToo/SJW argument. Developers don’t need to feel pressured, they can always release on a different platform if their creativity feels too oppressed.
 

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I just don't see why '*every* modern game not aimed at kiddies has to have nudity and sex. Even if it really has nothing to do with the main story line. I'm not talking about attractively rendered CGI females in skimpy outfits, I mean outright nudity and pornographic sex scenes.
There are plenty of games that are rated 'M' that do not contain any sort of nudity, partial or otherwise. And the 'M' rating does not allow for explicit sex scenes.
 

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Sony takes their recent stance on sexual content to the next level by implementing new stricter guidelines for what is 'acceptable' on their platform. They blame the #metoo movement and gamergate, and of course think of the children!

Sony is implementing stricter rules on sexual content in its PlayStation video games, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.

"Sony is concerned the company could become a target of legal and social action," a Sony representative told the Journal.

Whatever the exact rules, some developers aren't happy. There have been instances where developers had to cover up characters using light rays, smoke or similar effects, and there's a fear this will curb creativity among developers. It's not always clear what will cross the line, either. Creators may have to spend extra production time altering cutscenes and characters, even if they thought a game was relatively safe.

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Sony wants to be wokest of the woke it seems, but they claim it is only out of fear of legal action. I didn't know videogame characters were threatening legal action.

A always take it for granted that sexual moralizing in public is a sign of hypocrisy or worse, and often a desire to perform the very act that is being condemned ...Christopher Hitchens


Does this apply to Amazon Prime or Netflix? If not then I'm safe. My PS4 is a entertainment hub. I played a game on it... 3 months ago? When I felt like playing some rock band. here's the problem. The new rock band... doesn't have music I enjoy any more. So the nostalga that got me into Guitar Hero is gone. *waves goodbye to the genera he once loved.*
 

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This is the concerning part for me -

"Sony is concerned the company could become a target of legal and social action,"


Too many SJW'ers out there and people complaining about every little thing. So, to avoid the confrontation, they just bow out of it. Eventually, there will be nothing left of entertainment because someone, somewhere was offended by it and they stopped creating the content.

We need more companies that step up and say "F this!" and release something that makes these people protest. They wouldn't need marketing, the media would make sure the word got out. Worked for Mortal Kombat back in the day as it was everywhere. People wanted to play it to see what the fuss was about.

I'm an adult. I grew up on video games. Most of us did. We are the market for a lot of these adult targeted games. They shouldn't be in the hands of kids, but adults play a ton of video games. Sony will become the Nintendo of video games (marketed towards kids instead of adults) and lose some of their target audience.

Hopefully, Microsoft takes advantage of this (doubtful) and says that they up their standards (cue: now up yours, too!) and are fine with the content and leave it to the consumer to decide if it's appropriate for themselves or their kids based on the ESRB ratings.
 

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Like I mentioned in the social media thread sometime ago. It's just a reaction to the market.
I think it's silly to go this route but Sony probably thinks they'll make more money this way. If I don't like it I can play my PC or Xbox instead.
 

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Name three. I'll wait.

Witcher 2
Witcher 3
Deus Ex: Human Revolution (nudity)

That's just off the top of my head. I'm talking more about the attitude that games have to have it, otherwise they are being "prudish."
 

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See, this is why satire died in the '80s. You have people (I despise the term "useful idiots" but if the orthopedic shoe fits) in this thread stating unironically that violence is better for children than sexual themes. Fiction can't compete when there's a depressing number of people in reality who are that far gone.
 

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Witcher 2
Witcher 3
Deus Ex: Human Revolution (nudity)

That's just off the top of my head. I'm talking more about the attitude that games have to have it, otherwise they are being "prudish."

Lets see...

Witcher 2: Published May 2011.
Witcher 3: Published May 2015
Deus Ex: August 2011

So at BEST you have an example from the top of your head that is 4 years old. At worst 2 3rds of your examples are 8 years old.

So I guess what you meant was... There are a couple publishers that have graphic sex scenes in their games. (that don't show penetration or porn like content unless your definition of porn is VASTLY different than commonly understood.)

I'm sorry that games 8 years ago offended you. May I ask that you please get over it? I mean if we are spanning ALL TIME yea I can find you examples. GTA 3 with the hot coffee mod. THAT had penetration in it.
 

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You can literally in 2 seconds call up images and videos of any sexual perversion you want from any location in the country, but yeah you are living in a Handmaiden's Tale fantasy of oppression. I swear you on the left are mentally insane in your delusions of suffering.

And Libertarians or Republicans aren't?

I'd imagine that quite a few of them see the left's 'deluded oppression' to your reference, as some kind of Ayn Randian wet dream they've been waiting for since the 1800's, just saying!

Is that a statement? Hardly. Simply an unproven theory.
 

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See, this is why satire died in the '80s. You have people (I despise the term "useful idiots" but if the orthopedic shoe fits) in this thread stating unironically that violence is better for children than sexual themes. Fiction can't compete when there's a depressing number of people in reality who are that far gone.

I wonder how many folks still go back to the Super Bowl halftime show that showed a scant half-seconds shot of titty and howl that their children are still scarred permanently by that moment, lol!
 

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metoo movement is bullshit, gamergate on the other hand was a real problem and not based on fee fees.
 

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GTA 3 with the hot coffee mod. THAT had penetration in it.

Or you could go back to 1982, early pre-regulation days where you play General Custer in Custer's Revenge, and could rape Native Americans.
 

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A gay doom guy? Max Payne the transman? Aint never gonna fly and you know it. It's still a sad reality to this day that the word gay is used disparagingly - and of course, its roots lie in male homophobia and sexual objectification of women. "DLC is gay". This that the other is gay if it's bad. That rubbish needs to stop.
Of course that wouldn't fly. Nobody wants to see garbage like a trans Max Payne. I'll even include those who are not really trannies but just lonely little losers with otherwise empty and meaningless lives who pretend to be trans for attention in that group. Even if all the real trannies and fake trannies wanted to buy a game like that, there just aren't anough of them for anyone to care. It would be like making a game catering to...uh....hmmm....errr...I can't think of something so uncommon as to only account for .3% of the US population to compare it to.
Also....you don't get to decide what words people use. Your feelings don't matter.
Furthermore..... homophobia? Seriously? That does not mean what you think it means. What you seem to think it means....is not correct. It's just more made up nonsense, likely by the same lazy assholes who brought you Islamophobia. By that, I mean the MSM.
 

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Of course that wouldn't fly. Nobody wants to see garbage like a trans Max Payne. I'll even include those who are not really trannies but just lonely little losers with otherwise empty and meaningless lives who pretend to be trans for attention in that group. Even if all the real trannies and fake trannies wanted to buy a game like that, there just aren't anough of them for anyone to care. It would be like making a game catering to...uh....hmmm....errr...I can't think of something so uncommon as to only account for .3% of the US population to compare it to.
Also....you don't get to decide what words people use. Your feelings don't matter.
Furthermore..... homophobia? Seriously? That does not mean what you think it means. What you seem to think it means....is not correct. It's just more made up nonsense, likely by the same lazy assholes who brought you Islamophobia. By that, I mean the MSM.

Actually you're wrong my feelings do matter, just not to you. It's pretty funny how that works.
 
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