Sony Wants Watermarks And Online Authentication Before Each Movie

Sony is already on my shitlist for suing that kid for 3/4 a million for sharing 30 songs.

Imagine is they are wrong about. Could you absorb a lawsuit that size?

ie - Owning Sony intellectual property is hazardous to your life. Sounds weird, but I own about $xx,xxx.xx worth of Sony stuff, with zero exaggeration.
While I'm not poor, I could not fight a false accusation by Sony that I stole their stuff. They have more lawyers than MickeyD's has french fries.
 
That is EXACTLY what I've been saying about virtual reality and how it would hit near perfect realism. Only the center would be HD, the rest would be low resolution. You'd need to follow the pupil to see where the user was looking and adjust accordingly. But, if you had the front part (90 degrees or so), then the peripheral area just a low res image (regardless of where you're looking), it would work fine.

But, on a TV, it won't work. Multiple viewers focusing on different parts of the image at the same time. That, and the whole TV would need to be high definition for when you look to the left or right, that part of the image would change. So, it'd be the media player itself that would manage the visual clarity based on where the user was looking, but would send less of an image (less bandwidth used).

Do an experiment. No cheating.

At 11' away, have 3 friends standing shoulder to shoulder.
Focus on the center friend. Look right at their nose.
Don't pan your eyes, at all.

Are the friends to the left and right smiling, frowning, or straight faced?

You can't do it.

The techies never took biology.

What we NEED is a very high res monitor for 3° of center vision, the rest can be VGA. We need to track the human eye position (30+ year old tech) and peak the res in just that area.

You would need less bandwidth than normal color TV transmissions if you can pull it off.

Cliff Notes. Only a small area of your vision is high definition. 97% of it sucks.
 
good thing i lost interest in movies years ago. every time i go to see a movie it turns out to be garbage. prometheus was an abomination.
 
If they do that I might just pass on the 4k stuff. Shame too because I would love the quality upgrade like I loved the VHS to DVD to BluRay upgrades. But screw all the going through hoops. The 1080 upgrade really soured me to the hardware upgrades. I had a great HDTV that I HAD to upgrade before I wanted because it didn't have HDCP only perfectly good analog component inputs. My PC has to run AnyDVD HD to watch BluRay because my player won't play content without it because I don't have HDCP on my monitor. It's just f**king ridiculous. I want 4k but no chance of being an early adopter anymore. I know they are going to f**k anyone that buys early.
 
Wait, did sony NOT learn from the X-B1 outrage with DRM? Bad enough that they have 1 minute FBI warnings in English and French before a movie. Worse than Youtube's 5 second skippable ad placement.
 
There's an easy way around this: don't buy it until they remove such things. Pretty easy. Tell them to "Suck it!" if they want such control. I sure will.
 
People that care: Enthusiasts that populate forums like this.

People that are ignorant: The rest of the world.

Guess which one group has greater numbers. This will happen.
 
There's an easy way around this: don't buy it until they remove such things. Pretty easy. Tell them to "Suck it!" if they want such control. I sure will.

With Sony, if a process or product isn't working they would rather let it catch on fire and watch it burn before they change anything about it. The only time they change things is when what they are doing is illegal (rootkit).
 
1080p already looks perfect for the size/distance i have -- and a 15GB download is already enough for one movie.

Too bad sony -- you had a good backing built up with the way you rolled the PS4 out after MS's fuckup, you just couldn't let them be the only retard on the block huh?

If the past 30 years has taught us anything -- any DRM or authentication they come up with will be defeated as usual.
 
Most people won't have 4k sets anyway. Hell how many people have 1080p sets over 720?
My HD TV is still 720p.

Any my computer is only 1200p. 4K movies are total overkill until we all get 4k sets at least.
 
Wait, did sony NOT learn from the X-B1 outrage with DRM? Bad enough that they have 1 minute FBI warnings in English and French before a movie. Worse than Youtube's 5 second skippable ad placement.

Different Sony departments work like different companies for the most part. They're pretty insulated from both each other and the outside world...especially the outside world. I hope that when these Sony executives walk out of their compressed bubble they forget to depressurize first.
 
1080p already looks perfect for the size/distance i have -- and a 15GB download is already enough for one movie.

Too bad sony -- you had a good backing built up with the way you rolled the PS4 out after MS's fuckup, you just couldn't let them be the only retard on the block huh?

If the past 30 years has taught us anything -- any DRM or authentication they come up with will be defeated as usual.

I feel the same. For a TV that I watch from across the room, 1080p is perfectly fine. And honestly from normal viewing distances I have a hard time seeing a difference in 720p and 1080p. So 4k is really a non-issue for me.

I guess Sony hopes that 4k is such a small niche product right now that this stuff won't generate the controversy that the XBOne did. At $700 for just the player, this isn't something that the Average Joe will be buying.
 
I have absolutely no desire for 4K movie content, but gaming in 4K is a different story.
 
It sounded like from the article they were just talking about features they wanted, not features that were currently implemented. I suspect this has more to do with wanting to satisfy the studios so they will release content rather than a strong desire by Sony to do this.

I found it more interesting that their launch 4K player will only work with Sony TVs. That is a much more useful feature since it forces the consumer to match components rather than mixing and matching. This could have far greater benefits for corporations since it allows much tighter segmentation ;)
 
Because Bluray was so successful with all of its DRM making it virtually impossible to play on your computer without a method thus "pirating" the content.


They're really pushing this always-on DRM and its going to bite them in the ass. We are decades away from deep penetration of broadband and affordable Internet for all to allow these "cloud" based technologies to become the numero uno business model. At least we can't say we don't know where things are headed.
 
The honest people that pay good money are the ones that are getting screwed and have been for many years. Lol I must say no company has screwed me in a very long time muahahaha.
 
Didn't buy any Blu-ray movies due to the drm. Guess how few movies of this 4k drm I plan to buy.
 
Didn't buy any Blu-ray movies due to the drm. Guess how few movies of this 4k drm I plan to buy.

DVD is fine for me! Hell, i still have an old "lo-rs" tube TV. It's actually a very nice JVC 27" (or is it 29", i can't remember), and it suits my needs perfectly. If i want to want something in a higher res, i use my computer, which has better sound and better graphics, not to mention a better monitor (that i sit closer to).

Maybe i was raised on old TV too much, but i have watched friends HD-TV (and at 1080P) and it doesn't really do anything for me. Probably because i can see where the compression and digital artifacting happens. Most people cannot see it, but it bugs the hell out of me.
 
My last Sony purchase was a CRT Trinitron in the last century. I refuse to buy any Sony product due to their overbearing DRM. If we vote with our wallets we can make life as unbearable for them as they make it for us.
 
This is GREAT, if it wasn't bad enough watching Tv with all those fucking ANNOYING as hell watermarks and advertisements WHILE you're trying to watch something now we won't even be able to escape them while watching our own movies we buy? FUCK THAT.

Fucking hate watermarks on movies/tv shows so much, it's nothing but annoying and solves nothing.
 
Most people won't have 4k sets anyway. Hell how many people have 1080p sets over 720?
My HD TV is still 720p.

Any my computer is only 1200p. 4K movies are total overkill until we all get 4k sets at least.


I think the majority of TVs are now 1080p.This is why 4K is now being pushed because everyone has 1080p so now its time to bring out the next level to get them to upgrade.
 
I can't blame them really. Back in the Demonoid days every film that AXXO uploaded had many many thousands of downloads, just through that site. That's a shit ton of lost revenue.
 
I can't blame them really. Back in the Demonoid days every film that AXXO uploaded had many many thousands of downloads, just through that site. That's a shit ton of lost revenue.

So so not true; and has been proven many times in studies. Movie studios look at it the same way and go 10k downloads?! That means $250k lost in revenue because every person would have gone out to the theatre and purchased a 3D movie ticket for $15.00 and then $10.00 worth of popcorn and food!

In reality, a lot of those AXXO uploaded movies were being downloaded by Teenagers who have no money or might come from families that can't afford to see 'every' movie in theatres. Each summer, there might be 20 films released. If the average family has 2 children @ $35 each for food + ticket, you'd be looking at $1,400 per summer on movies. That's 10% of the average families income in some places in the US and an unrealistic expense most parents couldn't afford.

So the 'money' lost isn't really lost if the consumer had no money to spend in the first place (teens using demonoid). Studies have even shown pirates who download music for example spend MORE money on music on average than the non-pirating consumer.
 
The consumer that's going to purchase a 4k TV is a very small percentage for now so who gives a shit what kind of DRM it comes with and most movies people purchase their not going to be playing the damn thing like a console. Most people play a movie once or twice and it goes the shelf. People bitch about everything even when it doesn't even remotely effect them.
 
4k for gaming is one thing, but unless the TV is 70+ inches big, I can't see there being much difference between 1080p and 4k. I still have trouble discerning between 1080p and 720p TBH.
 
So so not true; and has been proven many times in studies. Movie studios look at it the same way and go 10k downloads?! That means $250k lost in revenue because every person would have gone out to the theatre and purchased a 3D movie ticket for $15.00 and then $10.00 worth of popcorn and food!

In reality, a lot of those AXXO uploaded movies were being downloaded by Teenagers who have no money or might come from families that can't afford to see 'every' movie in theatres. Each summer, there might be 20 films released. If the average family has 2 children @ $35 each for food + ticket, you'd be looking at $1,400 per summer on movies. That's 10% of the average families income in some places in the US and an unrealistic expense most parents couldn't afford.

So the 'money' lost isn't really lost if the consumer had no money to spend in the first place (teens using demonoid). Studies have even shown pirates who download music for example spend MORE money on music on average than the non-pirating consumer.

Exactly...but the copyright lobby's behavior isn't really about maximizing profits anyway. It's about maximizing control and exploding with narcissistic rage whenever some lowly pleb dares to violate the sense of corporate entitlement that seeks to control everything forever.
 
4k for gaming is one thing, but unless the TV is 70+ inches big, I can't see there being much difference between 1080p and 4k. I still have trouble discerning between 1080p and 720p TBH.

I have the same thoughts. I can't really fit a TV over 60" in my living room without doing some remodeling. At that size I can't see 4k being a huge increase in eye candy. Then again I haven't seen one of these TVs IRL so maybe it really is orgasmic.
 
Then again I haven't seen one of these TVs IRL so maybe it really is orgasmic.

If they have digital watermarking and movie verification that might diminish the interest in 4K Porn so you might have to hold on those orgasms for awhile :D
 
If I had a say in Sony, I would say no, no online authenthication but yes to watermarks only that machines notice, because I want to see people pirate 4K films. I want to see those bills. I want to see those HDD sales. I want to see terabyte drives get to cheap even stingy people give them away, all because of the OCD pirates. I want to see people picking up those $600-$969 Seiko 4K displays for these, I want to see the other manufacturers go "oh shit" and trim their prices and pure profits. I want to see the economies around the world getting bigtime stimulation through the IT-OCD peoples needs to consume media. That's how we adopted CDROM, VCD, DVD, HD, BR as quickly as we did. Also see VHS.


..that said it's weird to see Total Recall 4K listed for their 4K movie service, because it looks like a noisy high-ISO pain in the backside on Blu-Ray, here's a 100% crop I made from mine (and yes I've got HDCP signal scrubbing equipment):
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Did they find a cleaner print or are they working some magic on it? It was definitely filmed on cheap stock, being a not-high budget wonderful film worth of being in anyones BR collection..
 
this can't get passed. i have internet, but it's very slow. and if i'm uploading something, it's basically useless for anything else. maybe an xbox one is the way to go
 
It's a conspiracy. The movie industry *wants* to fail, so they can blame it on piracy.
 
I agree with MrLongHair a lot of these movies on Bluray have shit quality, you can only so SO much to a print my god and good lord what is Lucas going to do with Star Wars this time? If he would re-release the originals in 4K without all that extra crap he added along the way I bet that would get some people to adopt maybe now that Disney owns them now it may happen.......
 
Drm = developers to remove drm somewhere in the world I guess.

Annoying, but no big deal why bother!
 
After writing my above post I was reminded that they made a new Total Recall film. That would explain the 4K thing.
 
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