Sony Is Struggling With PlayStation 5 Price Due to Costly Parts

[1337Goat]

You know what's the best way to save money? Don't spend money. I know, it's shocking.

This is a discussion about new technology that has yet to even be released.

This is the ultimate pinnacle of human technology: There is nothing more advanced than this, other than the computer hardware versions of this equipment, which has also not yet been released, in the sense of Big Navi.

There is no computational processor more advanced than what has not even been released yet by AMD or Intel or Nvidia.

If people cannot afford the newest technology that is not yet even for sale, then they are not part of this discussion.

And that is fine: These are game consoles and not necessary for life or even the general pursuit of happiness as a philosophical human. If people cannot afford this expensive new machine, then do you expect me to pity them? That's for Sony's or Microsoft's marketing team to do.

People who cannot afford the newest technology can buy older technology. I recently pieced together an old 2005 era computer so I can play DOS and Win 98 games, and that has been a lot of fun for a very nice price. So do not tell me that it is some sort of pain to buy older technology.

The darkest truth is that this Xbox or Playstation technology is not necessary nor is there any reason to cry if it's $400, $500, or $600 or more.

If they cannot afford it, but somehow still plan to buy it, then those people need to consider their position more carefully. They have no need to ponder game console prices when it would be more prudent to accumulate resources during this uncertain and dangerous plague-infested time. Human civilization is at risk, so the prices of game consoles sold by these corporations are secondary to things that truly ought to be on the minds of those who cannot afford extraneous technology.

There are more important things at hand. Only people who can afford these consoles are part of the discussion here because it is simply unimportant whether or not a consumer can afford something like a game console which provides no use other than mindless entertainment.

The dark, dystopian future we all feared is here right now, so when the corporate marketer goes door to door asking if you want their newest trinket, it's fine to just say no.

Unless you actually want it and can afford it.

 

[T4rd]

Dang, this thread is still going... *looks at recent posts* Ahh.. the PCMR guy who ironically only has a mid-range PC at best but still likes to play console games on it constantly with half-baked emulators so he can somehow justify pirating their games because some consoles a decade or two ago had some failures at one point, so it's totally worth saving the $200-$500 to have a sub-par console experience on PC that you have to constantly tweak and troubleshoot to run right rather than just turn the console on and go.

The sooner you learn not to feed him, the better.

I know I'm at a point in my life where my time is worth more than $500+ to deal with all that shit at least and I have a high-end PC as well as the technical ability to run any emulator (as I've helped my son run some on his PC for PS3 and older games we physically own) on any OS. But after playing even older native PC games on my PC, like the original Crysis games I played recently, or even on newer games like CoD MW, these games have been a PITA to run right some times and crash randomly, which is something I rarely, if ever see on my Switch, PS4 Pro, or Xbone X. So given that some of the best games I've played in the last several years have been on PS4 and my Switch, I'll definitely be picking up a PS5 at launch for some more of its exclusives and convenient gaming on my 65" C9 OLED TV and then I might play them again a few years later when they're ported to PC like Horizon is about to be on my PC with whatever the flagship card is at that time and whatever I replace my current 34" 1440p 120 Hz Ultrawide with at that time. Because I really don't care about the hardware other than it allowing me to play my games I like to play in the best way possible, which rarely deviates outside the platform the developers intended you to play on with its specific hardware and controls/inputs.

 

[DukenukemX]

This is the ultimate pinnacle of human technology: There is nothing more advanced than this, other than the computer hardware versions of this equipment, which has also not yet been released, in the sense of Big Navi.

Isn't a RTX 2080 or 2080 Ti superior to Xbox Series X?

There is no computational processor more advanced than what has not even been released yet by AMD or Intel or Nvidia.

Don't these consoles have missing L3 cache to cut back on costs?

If people cannot afford the newest technology that is not yet even for sale, then they are not part of this discussion.

The hardware matters little to people who are just looking to play games. If people can't afford your hardware then game developers will continue to aim for the lowest common denominator. What good is all that tech when games on the PS5 will look the same as the PS4 but with higher frame rates and better textures? You can't make good use of the hardware when games get features that are just tacked on.

There are more important things at hand. Only people who can afford these consoles are part of the discussion here because it is simply unimportant whether or not a consumer can afford something like a game console which provides no use other than mindless entertainment.

Then the PS5 and Xbox Two become the next 3DO. Remember that during the 16-bit era you had many more powerful consoles than the Genesis and SNES, and they all cost vastly more. When cost is no longer a factor then you get shit games for a very powerful piece of hardware. Or do you think developers are going to make games with Ray-Tracing and physics because that's what the PS5 can do? If there's more people on the PS4 then that's the target platform. Just because Microsoft and Sony built these platforms doesn't mean that people will buy them regardless of price.

 

[DukenukemX]

Ahh.. the PCMR guy who ironically only has a mid-range PC at best

I'm going to point out this comment because this is what gives PC gamers a bad name. I have my PC in my sig and you're pointing it as if I didn't spend enough money on it. There is something seriously wrong with you.

but still likes to play console games on it constantly with half-baked emulators so he can somehow justify pirating their games because some consoles a decade or two ago had some failures at one point, so it's totally worth saving the $200-$500 to have a sub-par console experience on PC that you have to constantly tweak and troubleshoot to run right rather than just turn the console on and go.

Firstly, Mario 64 running natively on PC. Clearly I'm not the only one who's interested in running console games on PC. Secondly, when I play your console games on my PC, I do it at frame rates and image quality beyond what was ever offered, because I'm not a hack. Finally, clearly my superior gaming experience is upsetting you, so feel free to joint the PCMasterRace and try it out yourself.

The sooner you learn not to feed him, the better.

You clearly haven't.

I have a high-end PC as well as the technical ability to run any emulator (as I've helped my son run some on his PC for PS3 and older games we physically own) on any OS.

Sounds like you're a hypocrite. Did you actually rip those games from a modded PS3?

 

[T4rd]

Yeah, sorry not biting on all that, but it's ironic you're saying I give PC gamers a bad name while you're outright insulting gamers as a whole by claiming anyone who plays them on consoles is incompetent (paraphrasing because I can't be bothered to dig through your recent shit posting history to find the exact quote that I'm pretty sure put it worse than that even).

 

[rudy]

In theory, but I think the deficit in GPU horsepower is going to be more significant in practical terms as much as Sony has been pushing otherwise.

Ya this is correct, thats the thing with consoles they are always trying to pull a trick like this is the special thing we have thats going to make a lack of performance perform better. Most games once loaded into memory could care less about the storage. So then its all going to come down to some select titles doing something special which is not meaningful. And most devs just arent going to care they are going to code for what works across all the consoles and PC.

 

[rudy]

Nah, it isn't about what consumer's general attitude to a form of entertainment is, it is if they are willing to pay that much for a specific product and people can be real strange about that. You also find it can take nosedives at certain amounts, like you can sell something easy for $20 but try for $22 and suddenly 80% of your sales evaporate. It is something companies always have to research and consider with products.

Now I'm not saying consoles are going to run in to this problem, I'm just saying don't discount it. Don't think that $100 more is the kind of thing that won't matter to people because it absolutely can.

I know all this junk I have designed products and been done sales. This isnt one of those cases and these companies arent going to do something stupid like sell it for $420. The biggest influence here is simply what does the other major competitor do. Do any of you seriously think the millions of Xbox and PS gamers are going to skip this gen? Do any of you think they are going to mass convert to PC? Anything from $350 to $650 isnt going to matter. They will buy it by the millions. The only thing that does matter is if Sony does $400 and MS does $500 then there is going to be a serious talk about the influence of price. If both of them hit $600, they would still both fly off the shelves.

 

[1337Goat]

Then the PS5 and Xbox Two become the next 3DO.

Exactly my point.

There's no reason to buy these consoles unless the convenience of "put the disc in and press the button," AND the hardware performance/price ratio, is superior to that of a gaming PC, even a pre-built one. But face it: If anyone other than big companies like Microsoft or Sony were trying to market PC hardware as a game console, they would fail. Only brand recognition, subsidies, and special business deals gets them through this dark market.

The simple fact is that these current gen game consoles are nothing more than normal desktop PCs. Except they're mass-produced to reduce the cost, and incredibly trendy and couch-friendly. Except now we can't just get all our friends together on the couch for some Mario Party or Halo splitscreen. The plague lockdown means consoles lose their one market: Casuals with real life friends.

Finally it's the true revenge of the PCMR nerds! Muhahahahah!

 

[T4rd]

The simple fact is that these current gen game consoles are nothing more than normal desktop PCs. Except they're mass-produced to reduce the cost, and incredibly trendy and couch-friendly. Except now we can't just get all our friends together on the couch for some Mario Party or Halo splitscreen. The plague lockdown means consoles lose their one market: Casuals with real life friends.

Finally it's the true revenge of the PCMR nerds! Muhahahahah!

Not sure if serious, but I was just playing Overcooked 2 with my wife (local of course) and real-life friends online. We also play some of the Jackbox games together as well. Other than them being on speaker phone or video chat, it's pretty much the same and we had a good time drinking while playing like we usually do otherwise.

But also consoles to offer something more than desktop PCs; exclusive games that are generally well worth the price of the consoles to play IMO. But I also think the convenience of them is a considerable advantage for them as well, as I hit on above. Then there's the case of the Switch that also offers the portability of playing AAA games on the go as well, like the Witcher 3, Doom 2016, Wolfenstien 2, Skyrim, etc, on top of its own exclusives that I've very much enjoyed too.

 

[1337Goat]

We had a good time drinking while playing like we usually do otherwise.

Yeah, don't even kid around about that.
A good time? Don't forget where you are. This is [H]. Hardware matters.

But I won't take PCMR serious as long as you don't go around pretending like playing console games over the internet isn't objectively inferior to playing your custom built PC over the internet. And if someone is going to say something like: "But I am just toooooo poor to buy my own PC!" then the door is over there.

Don't go to a farmer's forum and complain that tractors are too expensive. Either you take farming as seriously as I do, or you can go to the grocery store like the common folk. There's no point in discussing either farming or electronic hardware with people who don't take the hobby seriously and go deeper than "it's fun because I like playing games with friends."

Of course it is *fun,* but that's not the point! It's about ENTHUSIASM.

And to be direct, I am about as tongue in cheek as you get, but still completely serious. You know? I'm just having fun with elitism. I take these internet discussions very seriously because I do not take these internet discussions seriously.

 

[T4rd]

Yeah, don't even kid around about that.
A good time? Don't forget where you are. This is [H]. Hardware matters.

But I won't take PCMR serious as long as you don't go around pretending like playing console games over the internet isn't objectively inferior to playing your custom built PC over the internet. And if someone is going to say something like: "But I am just toooooo poor to buy my own PC!" then the door is over there.

Don't go to a farmer's forum and complain that tractors are too expensive. Either you take farming as seriously as I do, or you can go to the grocery store like the common folk. There's no point in discussing either farming or electronic hardware with people who don't take the hobby seriously and go deeper than "it's fun because I like playing games with friends."

Of course it is *fun,* but that's not the point! It's about ENTHUSIASM.

And to be direct, I am about as tongue in cheek as you get, but still completely serious. You know? I'm just having fun with elitism. I take these internet discussions very seriously because I do not take these internet discussions seriously.

Brilliant. I'd like the thread to die with this if possible.

 

[Ragenrok]

I say fuck you all, im buying my ps5 and a rtx 3080 this year lol (the 3080 is obviously a business write off, cant program without it right?? lol)

 

[Sycraft]

I say fuck you all, im buying my ps5 and a rtx 3080 this year lol (the 3080 is obviously a business right off, cant program without it right?? lol)

I hope to... Contingent on the economy not imploding and me keeping my job.

 

[Master_shake_]

Don't forget the monthly fee to play multiplayer games online.


Most people can't afford to build a gaming PC from 2010 for $1500 and a $500 console in 2020. You know how many people game on something like a laptop with a Core2Duo? You know how few people buy graphic cards beyond $250?

You know what's the best way to save money? Don't spend money. I know, it's shocking. Especially with Microsoft and Sony planning to give PS4 and XB1 owners the ability to play the games they bought on the PS5 and XBX for no additional cost. Pretty much like on PC when you buy better hardware and games suddenly run better without requiring you to buy another game.


Again, recession. Money is tight or possibly non-existing. A lot of people may find that it's better to save the money and continue to use a PS4 instead of upgrade to the PS5.

That was hilarious.

Thanks for that.

 

[DukenukemX]

Yeah, sorry not biting on all that, but it's ironic you're saying I give PC gamers a bad name while you're outright insulting gamers as a whole by claiming anyone who plays them on consoles is incompetent (paraphrasing because I can't be bothered to dig through your recent shit posting history to find the exact quote that I'm pretty sure put it worse than that even).

I have my PC in my sig and you're pointing it out like I don't spend enough money on this hobby. Good chance I'll be using that PC for another 5 years from now because I don't want to waste money. I warned people about the 2020 recession and how Sony and Microsoft couldn't pick the worst time ever to release a new console. Also, consoles are anti-consumer and force you to pay for things that you have no choice at.

 

[TheSlySyl]

It's all about the software.

I don't care what the hardware is, make the right games, I'll buy what it takes to play em.
For a PC,if that means i'm gonna have to get a 16-core system with 128GB RAM and a $1000 videocard to push a game at 4k120fps, sure, I hope to get there someday.

Likewise, if I need a system that barely pushes 1080p30 because the software is so fucking good* that it makes me not care, i'll buy that too. Hell, I already bought two of em!

If I gotta buy a PS5 due to some crazy good game that's PS5 exclusive like Persona 6. Yeah, I'll get that too.

*Breath of the Wild is still the best open world game.

 

[next-Jin]

I’m not sure Series X’s GPU is going to be all that significant. I could be horribly wrong but MS is going to force 1st party devs to release on Xbox One as well. That means that any serious coding for the CPU and their SSD is going to be hindered imo.

Third party titles will take advantage and will likely be better than PS5 versions graphically and be a tad slower (maybe) in loading assets.

That said, Sony first party is going to take full advantage of their specs. I’m thinking their first party titles will lead the way for the first 3 years or so, then we will see Series X first party titles come in swinging.

 

[nilepez]

Doesn't it seem possible (maybe even likely) that these will end up being delayed (or have very limited availability if released this year) due to Covid? If it's the latter, then maybe a higher MSRP will fly, simply because there are enough well to do buyers to outstrip supply. Since people are discussing the new Xbox, my question applies to both consoles.

 

[Derangel]

Doesn't it seem possible (maybe even likely) that these will end up being delayed (or have very limited availability if released this year) due to Covid? If it's the latter, then maybe a higher MSRP will fly, simply because there are enough well to do buyers to outstrip supply. Since people are discussing the new Xbox, my question applies to both consoles.

Both companies are still gung-ho on launching this year. If a delay into next year is going to happen I'd imagine it would be announced soon, much longer and they'll basically be locked into their release plans.

 

[vegeta535]

Doesn't it seem possible (maybe even likely) that these will end up being delayed (or have very limited availability if released this year) due to Covid? If it's the latter, then maybe a higher MSRP will fly, simply because there are enough well to do buyers to outstrip supply. Since people are discussing the new Xbox, my question applies to both consoles.

They don't want to miss the holiday season. They will pump out as many as possible. Scalpers will be all over them and will be hard to find still. I am sure they will only have a couple million at most ready for th holiday season.

 

[DukenukemX]

Do any of you seriously think the millions of Xbox and PS gamers are going to skip this gen?

Yes and no. Yes I expect some gamers to skip this generation of consoles but mostly due to recession reasons. No, because a lot of gamers will continue to use a PS4 and XB1 because games will continue to be released onto them for a while.

Do any of you think they are going to mass convert to PC?

Depends on the price. If these consoles are $500+ then I expect some people will. If you're going to spend $500 for a console then you might as well spend $800 on a PC that can play games better and do your taxes as well as go on PornHub.

Anything from $350 to $650 isnt going to matter. They will buy it by the millions. The only thing that does matter is if Sony does $400 and MS does $500 then there is going to be a serious talk about the influence of price. If both of them hit $600, they would still both fly off the shelves.

Anything at $500 will result in slower sales. At $600+ you might as well put a fork in it because it's done. If the PS5 and Xbox Two are equal in price then it'll be the PS5 that'll corner the console market. Microsoft just doesn't have the exclusives needed to sell hardware.

 

[DukenukemX]

Exactly my point.

There's no reason to buy these consoles unless the convenience of "put the disc in and press the button," AND the hardware performance/price ratio, is superior to that of a gaming PC, even a pre-built one. But face it: If anyone other than big companies like Microsoft or Sony were trying to market PC hardware as a game console, they would fail. Only brand recognition, subsidies, and special business deals gets them through this dark market.

In a sense the Xbox One is dead. There's less Xbox One's sold than Switches. Actually, nobody really knows how many Xbox Ones sold because Microsoft stopped reporting the numbers. That usually means the sales are bad. So that leaves Sony as the only real console manufacturer to rule console gaming, unless Microsoft pulls something bigger than Halo Infinite.

Consoles have to be careful how they price their hardware because you don't want to get too close to PC prices but you don't want to get too far away either. Too cheap and you get the PS4 and XB1 where games always run 1080p and run 30fps. Too expensive and for a little more you could get a PC that not only plays games better than the consoles but can do other general tasks that aren't always gaming.

 

[DukenukemX]

But also consoles to offer something more than desktop PCs; exclusive games that are generally well worth the price of the consoles to play IMO.

That's how consoles survive today. You aren't buying a PS5 because it can play Blu-Ray movies, but because that's the only way to play Last of Us 5. Exclusives are anti consumer, which is why PC games had a shit over Epic Store exclusives. They don't offer a better service or better prices, just that's the only way to get Borderlands 3. Consoles don't offer a better service or better prices, but that's the only way you're going to play Mario Odyssey. Since there's 3 consoles, that means there's 3 pieces of hardware you need to buy to play all the exclusives. Which means you need three boxes hooked up to your TV just to enjoy all the exclusives.

But I also think the convenience of them is a considerable advantage for them as well, as I hit on above.

Imagine having three convenient consoles at your TV that each requires you to pay a monthly fee to play multiplayer games. Here I am with my single PC that can play all those games at higher resolutions and imagine quality. As a PC gamer I feel like I'm missing out on the fun of grabbing my remote and having to constantly switch between three consoles. And the fun of paying a monthly fee on my credit card to play online games so I can hear people that they fucked my mom, because that's the target demographic that consoles attract.

 

[1337Goat]

The solution to games that are exclusive to just one console is simple: Banish them from your mind and deny their existence.

There's simply no reason to even acknowledge them.
There are plenty of games made by less money-hungry corporate fiends.

Some games are even free, like Tux Racing.

 

[T4rd]

That's how consoles survive today. You aren't buying a PS5 because it can play Blu-Ray movies, but because that's the only way to play Last of Us 5. Exclusives are anti consumer, which is why PC games had a shit over Epic Store exclusives. They don't offer a better service or better prices, just that's the only way to get Borderlands 3. Consoles don't offer a better service or better prices, but that's the only way you're going to play Mario Odyssey.

Exclusives aren't the only reason consoles survive, but they certainly help their sales and is pretty much the main reason I buy the consoles. Sony and Nintendo exclusives are pretty much all single player games too, so you're not paying to play them online or coerced to pay for their services either in that way. But they do give you a decent amount of other benefits that I appreciate if you do pay for their service, like free games every month that are usually worth playing, cloud saves, and access to other content like Nintendo's NES/SNES games on their service that's only like $20/year anyways. It's convenient that you ignore all the PC games that require subscription services to play for about the same cost just for that individual game or have battle pass systems in place to really enjoy them. Console exclusives also drive console makers to buy/assemble some of the absolute best dev studios in the industry too in order to make the some of the objectively best games on the market as well; at least I can tell they put significantly more effort and care into their games than any other 3rd party/cross platform studio save for a couple exceptions.

This has been the case since the dawn of video games back in the Atari and NES days and it's pretty narrow-minded to think exclusives and also any proprietary hardware/accessories is "anti-consumer". Any business needs to have something unique to offer to stand out among the competition and consoles are no exception.

But please post that bogus citation that movie theater exclusives what whatever irrelevant argument you keep citing while doing your mental gymnastics in order to convince yourself that exclusive games are illegal.

Since there's 3 consoles, that means there's 3 pieces of hardware you need to buy to play all the exclusives. Which means you need three boxes hooked up to your TV just to enjoy all the exclusives.

Sounds good to me; I grab the controller of the console I want to play and hit a button on it and it turns on the console and my TV that swtiches input automatically and I'm immediately in the game that I was playing previously if I had the console in standby as I typically do, or the console's UI to select my game of choice. This is much more convenient and comfortable than sitting at my PC to log into Windows and navigate to the cluster-fuck of launchers with their own exclusives on there in order to find the game I want to play, launch the game, sit through whatever garbage logo intros the game has, hope that I can skip all the intro BS, then hope my controls and graphical settings are still in place or set them up initially for every new game and I don't have to tweak them too much to actually start playing the game.

Imagine having three convenient consoles at your TV that each requires you to pay a monthly fee to play multiplayer games.

I don't have to imagine this, as I already have that and while I don't ever play them online, though I do subscribe to their services annually for other benefits like the free games that come with them that are generally decent and worth playing at least on PSN. I usually sub to PS+ every year on Black Friday where I get it for $40/year (directly on the PSN store usually) or a whopping $3.33/month. JFC, what a rip off for 24+ free games a year, cloud saves, and multiplayer!

The Nintendo sub is $20/year or $1.67/month, lol.

Here I am with my single PC that can play all those games at higher resolutions and imagine quality. As a PC gamer I feel like I'm missing out on the fun of grabbing my remote and having to constantly switch between three consoles. And the fun of paying a monthly fee on my credit card to play online games so I can hear people that they fucked my mom, because that's the target demographic that consoles attract.

I don't believe you're playing any current (key word) console games at higher resolutions and image quality, esp. with the same stability (glitching, artifacting, crashing, etc.) and consistency of their respective console. That probably even holds true for previous gen consoles for a lot of games on them from what I saw getting our PS3 games to run adequately on my son's PC. It may run great and look good for a bit, until it crashes or glitches out visually or audibly and once it does that it's not worth the hassle to play in an emulator at that point for me and I'd rather just play it on console.

But here I am with a PC more capable than yours and yet I still choose to buy and play consoles and their games because I value my time and comfort over playing old console games on emulators that I already played when they came out over a decade ago or dealing with some inferior experience due to bugs/glitches with emulators for current gen consoles. But there's also the moral issue of me choosing not to pirate games and being a proper adult that can afford to buy/play my games legitimately. As a gamer in general that doesn't discriminate against any specific platform, I'm definitely not missing out on any fun as I'm constantly switching between all my consoles and PC (are you really insinuating that's hard? lol), and the fun of not hearing anyone talking because I don't play online in the first place other than CoD MW with my friends on PC and I'm pretty sure I've heard those PC players on there shouting plenty about how they've fucked my mom as well.

 

[Revdarian]

Ya this is correct, thats the thing with consoles they are always trying to pull a trick like this is the special thing we have thats going to make a lack of performance perform better. Most games once loaded into memory could care less about the storage. So then its all going to come down to some select titles doing something special which is not meaningful. And most devs just arent going to care they are going to code for what works across all the consoles and PC.

Actually games have been streaming assets for over a decade, and the slow speed of HDD* streaming is what has been taken into consideration when developing those "most games" and that slow speed has been a problem for game designers, the variety of assets that they can use on the environment, the speed with which you can move through it, the shape of the levels, all has to be done accounting for that bottleneck of ~50mbps with the latency associated to the platters, thus the ssd open world of possibilities that didn't exist before.



The only pc game that currently is starting to Shun hdd is Star Citizen and even then it only needs a sata ssd to make it playable, but look it up, on a HDD it is a stuttering mess.

Now the XSX and the PS5 will guarantee uncompressed 2.4 and 5.5 GBps, or roughly 50x and 100x through put increase, that's the removal of the biggest bottleneck ever, in current games you had to buffer up to 30s ahead of assets, this can be reduced to 1-2 seconds even with an increase in world complexity... Hearing developers just dream about what they wanted to make finally begin possible is a great thing.

 

[TheSlySyl]

Since there's 3 consoles, that means there's 3 pieces of hardware you need to buy to play all the exclusives. Which means you need three boxes hooked up to your TV just to enjoy all the exclusives.

I'm not sure what kind of living room setup you have, but I currently have 7 consoles and one streaming box connected to my TV. I can play console exclusives all the way back to the SNES and Genesis. As well as 100% of my PC games. (Although I do avoid M+K games in the living room.)
Thanks to HDMI-ARC they're all set up to my 5.1 surround sound by default.

I love auto-switching HDMI switches. Hell, I love HDMI. All those cheap converter boxes that take older consoles and make them have HDMI output is wonderful.

(Especially after I found out that you can attach the Mclassic to the output of the HDMI switcher, so my one MClassic upscales all of my consoles. Gamecube, PS3 and PS2 look especially good. Helps the Switch out a bunch as well)

 

[DukenukemX]

Exclusives aren't the only reason consoles survive, but they certainly help their sales and is pretty much the main reason I buy the consoles.

Then lets see what happens when these exclusives are available on every platform? I guarantee you that Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo would have to do more with these consoles than just play games. I for one would like to see the Switch able to get on the Android Play Store and use those apps.

Sony and Nintendo exclusives are pretty much all single player games too,

Hmmm.

But they do give you a decent amount of other benefits that I appreciate if you do pay for their service, like free games every month that are usually worth playing, cloud saves, and access to other content like Nintendo's NES/SNES games on their service that's only like $20/year anyways.

It isn't free when you're paying for it. The only reason consoles add "free" games and other services because they're trying to justify that you're paying a monthly fee to play games online. Make multiplayer free and lets see how many people would pay for these benefits.

It's convenient that you ignore all the PC games that require subscription services to play for about the same cost just for that individual game or have battle pass systems in place to really enjoy them.

Two games that I can think of that require a monthly fee, and that would be World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy online. Not an entire game collection like it's on console. I expect WoW to go subscriptionless because it isn't doing so well lately. If you're cleaver like me then you can bypass that little problem all together.

This has been the case since the dawn of video games back in the Atari and NES days and it's pretty narrow-minded to think exclusives and also any proprietary hardware/accessories is "anti-consumer". Any business needs to have something unique to offer to stand out among the competition and consoles are no exception.

If they wanted to stand out then their hardware should offer something more than the ability to play games. Considering these machines run PC hardware then they should remove the walled garden and offer an OS that can install apps so people can do something else like go to PornHub. Consoles don't compete against each other, their exclusives do.

This is much more convenient and comfortable than sitting at my PC to log into Windows and navigate to the cluster-fuck of launchers with their own exclusives on there in order to find the game I want to play, launch the game, sit through whatever garbage logo intros the game has, hope that I can skip all the intro BS, then hope my controls and graphical settings are still in place or set them up initially for every new game and I don't have to tweak them too much to actually start playing the game.

So you're saying that desktop shortcuts are hard while four physical boxes hooked up to your TV are easy? The Xbox, PS4, Switch, and PC is harder than just... having a PC?

The Nintendo sub is $20/year or $1.67/month, lol.

You know how much $0/year is monthly? Also, how's using your cell phone to communicate with players on the Switch? You're literally paying for that on the Switch.

I don't believe you're playing any current (key word) console games at higher resolutions and image quality, esp. with the same stability (glitching, artifacting, crashing, etc.) and consistency of their respective console. That probably even holds true for previous gen consoles for a lot of games on them from what I saw getting our PS3 games to run adequately on my son's PC. It may run great and look good for a bit, until it crashes or glitches out visually or audibly and once it does that it's not worth the hassle to play in an emulator at that point for me and I'd rather just play it on console.

I've played Breath of the Wild about 1 year ago on a FX 8350 with RX 480 at around 40fps average with no issues at 1080p with enhancements. Start to finish with no issues. Nowadays the CEMU emulator supports Vulkan and has better multithreaded support which wasn't available when I played. Same goes for Yuzu. I played Demon Souls on RPCS3 at 1080p 60fps from start to finish 1 year ago as well. My current PC is better at it and lots of PCs are better than mine that can even push 4k. I even ran these emulators on my Linux machine with no issue, with the exception of CEMU since it isn't natively ported to Linux.

But there's also the moral issue of me choosing not to pirate games and being a proper adult that can afford to buy/play my games legitimately.

Legitimately yes, but fiscally responsible? I buy games if I truly enjoyed it, but very often the games I play are mediocre experiences. If I end up deleting the game and never wanting to see it again then the game wasn't good. You don't deserve money if the game isn't good, and i don't go by online reviewers.

 

[T4rd]

Then lets see what happens when these exclusives are available on every platform? I guarantee you that Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo would have to do more with these consoles than just play games. I for one would like to see the Switch able to get on the Android Play Store and use those apps.

Hmmm.


It isn't free when you're paying for it. The only reason consoles add "free" games and other services because they're trying to justify that you're paying a monthly fee to play games online. Make multiplayer free and lets see how many people would pay for these benefits.

Two games that I can think of that require a monthly fee, and that would be World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy online. Not an entire game collection like it's on console. I expect WoW to go subscriptionless because it isn't doing so well lately. If you're cleaver like me then you can bypass that little problem all together.


If they wanted to stand out then their hardware should offer something more than the ability to play games. Considering these machines run PC hardware then they should remove the walled garden and offer an OS that can install apps so people can do something else like go to PornHub. Consoles don't compete against each other, their exclusives do.

So you're saying that desktop shortcuts are hard while four physical boxes hooked up to your TV are easy? The Xbox, PS4, Switch, and PC is harder than just... having a PC?

You know how much $0/year is monthly? Also, how's using your cell phone to communicate with players on the Switch? You're literally paying for that on the Switch.


I've played Breath of the Wild about 1 year ago on a FX 8350 with RX 480 at around 40fps average with no issues at 1080p with enhancements. Start to finish with no issues. Nowadays the CEMU emulator supports Vulkan and has better multithreaded support which wasn't available when I played. Same goes for Yuzu. I played Demon Souls on RPCS3 at 1080p 60fps from start to finish 1 year ago as well. My current PC is better at it and lots of PCs are better than mine that can even push 4k. I even ran these emulators on my Linux machine with no issue, with the exception of CEMU since it isn't natively ported to Linux.



Legitimately yes, but fiscally responsible? I buy games if I truly enjoyed it, but very often the games I play are mediocre experiences. If I end up deleting the game and never wanting to see it again then the game wasn't good. You don't deserve money if the game isn't good, and i don't go by online reviewers.

The obtuseness here is astounding, as is your ability to ignore key words in my points when forming your responses that otherwise clearly lack any real critical thought or analysis. I'm sorry I bothered... again.

 

[DukenukemX]

The obtuseness here is astounding, as is your ability to ignore key words in my points when forming your responses that otherwise clearly lack any real critical thought or analysis. I'm sorry I bothered... again.

You made no valid points. Your argument is based on feels good bro. You're stretching your arguments by lying, like how console exclusives are "Sony and Nintendo exclusives are pretty much all single player games". You consider desktop shortcuts to be hard while physically connecting 4 machines to be easy. You're literally that moment from Rick and Morty where Rick is happy that Morty spent money without question. Your solution is to spend money, and if you're aren't spending money then you don't matter. Who the hell would listen to you?

 

[T4rd]

You made no valid points. Your argument is based on feels good bro. You're stretching your arguments by lying, like how console exclusives are "Sony and Nintendo exclusives are pretty much all single player games". You consider desktop shortcuts to be hard while physically connecting 4 machines to be easy. You're literally that moment from Rick and Morty where Rick is happy that Morty spent money without question. Your solution is to spend money, and if you're aren't spending money then you don't matter. Who the hell would listen to you?

You made no valid points. Your argument is based on I'm broke bro. You're stretching your arguments by lying, like how console exclusives are "illegal and anti-consumer". You consider hitting a button on a controller hard while using shortcuts to sign into a launcher and setting up your game's controls and graphical settings convenient. You're literally the PCMR guy in this Flashgitz cartoon, except you don't even have the PC hardware to back it up. Your solution is to steal, and you're (sic) aren't stealing or using some hack/emulation to play a paid game or service then you're stupid for spending money. Who the hell would listen to you?



I can hyperbole with the best of them too, bruh.

 

[Armenius]

Can we stop with the bickering and personal attacks and get back on topic? Just put each other on your respective ignore lists and move on.

 

[cjcox]

Making a new console decision:

Chris: If Brad gets one, I'm definitely getting one.

Sally: If Chris gets one, so will I.

George: I hear Sally is taking the plunge, I may need to upgrade.

John: Can't wait until George gets his. Might change my mind about getting one.

... etc...

then....

Brad buys the PS5....

 

[Lakados]

Making a new console decision:

Chris: If Brad gets one, I'm definitely getting one.

Sally: If Chris gets one, so will I.

George: I hear Sally is taking the plunge, I may need to upgrade.

John: Can't wait until George gets his. Might change my mind about getting one.

... etc...

then....

Brad buys the PS5....

yeah that seems about right.

 

[cybereality]

Honestly, the Unreal 5 video exceeded what I thought PS5 was capable of.

I know it's a tech demo, and we may never see a game looking that good this generation, but well it looked better than mostly everything I've seen to date.

Hopefully we'll see more of this and I think that would make PS5 worth $500 to me.

 

[cjcox]

Now we just need game designers that can make interesting games.

 

[Ragenrok]

Now we just need game designers that can make interesting games.

playstation did a pretty good job with it the last few years imo

 

[ochadd]

All the console gamers I know, a handful, now have a gaming PC. None of them had a gaming PC when they bought the last gen consoles. Might be interesting this time around.

 

[Domingo]

While my console friends still mostly stick to those, I do feel like more people are open to the idea of a gaming PC. Especially since you can now hook your PC up to a TV really easily. I've at least gotten a little more "I've been thinking about hooking my computer to our living room TV" lately. People aren't as tethered to a desk as they used to be, and I think that helps.

 

[Nolan7689]

Making a new console decision:

Chris: If Brad gets one, I'm definitely getting one.

Sally: If Chris gets one, so will I.

George: I hear Sally is taking the plunge, I may need to upgrade.

John: Can't wait until George gets his. Might change my mind about getting one.

... etc...

then....

Brad buys the PS5....

Pretty accurate. I mean, I like Tech and games and will try to have it all (staggered) but my main group of friends that I play with, well their choice influences where I’m going to play the most often/purchase first.

Can’t exactly begrudge friends wanting to play together.