Social Just Warriors in Space....and Beyond

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  1. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    Nothing like a little bit of gaming satire to stoke the fires on Friday night. The aptly named Point & Clickbait is all over Star Trek: Bridge Crew like white on rice!

    Point & Clickbait can now reveal that rather than simply being a piece of entertainment, Star Trek: Bridge Crew actually takes place in an extremely political sci-fi future where all races and species work together, having discarded gender roles and class structure to build a society of tolerance and equality, free of wage slavery or artificial resource scarcity. Can you believe this garbage??
     
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    Awesome call out by the author.

    How dare they.
     
  3. Extra-Titanian

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    Lol. I don't even know where to start with that one...

    Gene Roddenberry must be rolling in his orbit.
     
  4. EODetroit

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    Back in my day, I played AD&D as a female warrior while my friends made fun of me because my strength couldn't get any higher than 18 50% no matter what magic I got, and I liked it that way. Back in my day our gender limitations weren't a fact of nature, they were written in the Player Handbook, which basically meant In Stone!
     
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    I had never heard of Point & Clickbait before. It looks like a gaming-focused onion-esque parody of Breitbart. (I assume its a parody anyway, it's getting harder to tell lately)
     
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    Poe's law and all.

    I'm definitely leaning toward satire.
     
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    Exactly. As in real life, it's how you use what you have, that matters. Hell, i played a fighter with an int of 18, and a strength of 13, because i was going to min/max a dual class. Ended up never happening, as the campaign never had an opportunity for me to switch classes without fucking the group. So i was a less than optimal fighter, when i could have been an exceptional mage. But i made it work anyway, because that's what winners do, they make the best of whatever circumstances they find themselves in.

    Only losers blame the mechanics (or life).
     
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    i noticed this in the game but kinda shrugged it off, what did surprise the heck out of me was after doing the tutorials and i started the first mission and saw my hands and was like eh then looked down and was wtf
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    That caught me a bit off guard i have to say
     
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    Apparently even in the future there are still cutters
     
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    Trying to figure out if this posting was a real concern or not. If you think a Star Trek future where sex/gender, race and species isn't supposed to matter is being all modern SJW, then you didn't actually watch the series, especially TOS and NG. Roddenberry's Star Trek is basically as much of a SJW show as he could get away with in the mid 1960's. A Russian in the middle of the cold war, a black female bridge officer when the ink was barely dry on the civil rights act, a half breed alien, an asian. Gee, come to think about it, Kirk was the token white guy on the bridge.
     
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    percydaman Limp Gawd

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    Umm okay? I clicked the link and read the article. They just threw out some generic accusations and then didn't give evidence or specifics. I'm not fan of SJW's but the article was horrible, and so was the attempt to point to it.
     
  12. Ducman69

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    As Kyle said, because its click-bait satire written by leftists, in order to make people complaining about leftist propaganda in the Star Trek franchise (particularly of concern with the new Star Trek Discovery TV show) appear unreasonable and unsupported.
     
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    This is why I prefer Star Wars :)

    Evil racist Empire being taken on by all inclusive rag tag group of Rebels. Good versus Evil, because both do exist in real life and most likely always will. The fact that you had to fight evil instead of just try to negotiate with it, that is how we won WW2. This new generation believe we live in a Star Trek world where everything can be overcome by talking and being nice to the ones that want nothing more than to erase everyone but themselves from the planet, and once everyone else is gone, will begin to wipe themselves off the planet.

    Of course Disney wants to turn Star Wars into Star Trek, so I have my doubts as to how it will all turn out.

    Best Sci Fi series though was Babylon 5 :)
     
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    I think SJWs are going to be seriously afraid of the future like that since they won't have anything to complain about anymore.
     
  15. heatlesssun

    heatlesssun [H]ard as it Gets

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    I guess this is the thing about social justice. No matter what the cause is, there's always going to be those that say "Stop complaining". It's a good thing for me that some people didn't go along with that and kept complaining anyway.
     
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    Babylon 5 was an abomination. :ROFLMAO:
     
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    At present there are only 58 recognized genders, and pedophiles are discriminated against. Until all 72 genders get equal rights, along with polygamist Islamic pedophilia marriages getting mainstream blessing to end the biggotry, they will continue to lash out and shout down free speech in universities.

    It must be quite intoxicating to be able to just wait for someone you don't like to use the wrong word or slightly incorrect phrasing, in order to act morally justified in being a total rude bully to their face (possibly complaining to their manager to try and get them fired or shout/scream at them as being worse than Hitler or punching them in the face), by feigning outrage being offended on behalf of someone else. That's a power trip that won't go away as long as there are jerks.
     
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    Even then, they'll still arrange everything into a hierarchy of victim hood so they can rank who's the most oppressed.
     
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    That's actually already a problem. ;)

    At the women's march, there was apparently a round of victim-Olympics in which black and Muslim women were belittling the victim status of the privileged white women. Speaking of Muslims, they apparently outrank homosexuals in the victim-hierarchy, which is particularly troublesome since so many Muslims are actively hostile towards gays (ie Orlando), and causing a bit of a fuss among the ranks, as tolerance and understanding is preached for "cultural differences" at the cost of feminists/homosexuals agenda.
     
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    heatlesssun [H]ard as it Gets

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    Anywho, this is a freaking GREAT VR role playing game. Haven't tried the MP yet, trying to get the process down in SP first.
     
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    Is the SP worthwhile? MP seems to be where this would shine, but I've already heard reports of children infiltrating the game.
     
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    Star Trek always had a very optimistic and egalitarian future image. But it is definitely not social justice.

    But the article itself is clearly a trolling piece. And a bad one at that.
     
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    The difference is that SJWs want a black women on the bridge for being black and a woman. In Star Trek they were just there because they did their job right. That's the right message.
    SJWs philisophy: apply for victim status and you can get everything with no effort
    ST philosophy: Work for your goals and you can get to them regardless of your gender and race.
     
  25. heatlesssun

    heatlesssun [H]ard as it Gets

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    Huh? The Federation is a powerful multi-species, multi-cultural interplanetary utopia dedicated to the ideals of freedom, equality and self-determination of all sentient life forms throughout the cosmos with a level of science and technology that's essentially magic compared to present reality. ST:TOS was indeed all about social justice particularly for it's time.

    The idea of such vastly different species living together under a single government working in peace and cooperation to protect and help one another is the core of concept of the Star Trek universe, as much of the story of Start Trek is about maintaining those ideals and the conflicts involved. From the Prime Directive to Section 39.
     
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    heatlesssun [H]ard as it Gets

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    It's certainly a game where people will goof off, four people in VR hopping around the galaxy to save it in such a well executed game is going to get it's share of goof balls and that's ok, at least to a point. This title has nailed it for a Star Trek game using VR at current levels. If you like Star Trek and have VR you have to play this game. Think of if as early 21st Academy training for ST nerds. :D
     
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    So it's like some sort of false flag operation? I dunno, I get confused with all this shit.
     
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    Bullshit, that's what it is, lol! Everyone is working together, and yet there doesn't appear to be any conflict of interest, and they say that resources are infinite but then somehow they also are limited... its super confusing. After all, if resources are infinite, then what is the point of doing the crappy jobs that nobody wants to do, and why are empires fighting over resources all the time? Sure, being ships doctor or captain or security officer are fulfilling jobs in and of themselves, but who wants to be the guy swapping the holodeck of Riker's spooge? And have you considered how many holodecks there are on the ship, and how many people are on board? The wait time must be MONTHS to get on there.

    Like Enterprise, its the flagship of the federation, engaged in more combat sorties than any warship on Earth in the real world ever has, with sometimes the fate of humanity's existence relying on the military prowess of that ship, and yet at the same time the writers say that the Federation doesn't believe in warships, and to prove it they put hundreds of families at risk in the Enterprise, even though its patrolling and protecting federation borders, which often puts it in combat roles that put their lives in unnecessary risk. I mean, think about how crappy it would be to have your family aboard the Enterprise. Billy and Jessica are only 4 and 5 a piece, and yet every other episode they are engaging the Borg or about to face off in a death dual with Romulan warships, or about to get sucked in to some gravity well. And when you see the consoles exploding and crew on the bridge flying around... think about the kids in the classroom who have no clue what's going on, except that maybe the lights suddenly started flashing yellow or red before the ship started violently shaking, you're afraid you're going to die, and then your classmate flies across the room and a desk lands on his head with his brains gushing out.

    Star Trek is fun as long as you don't think too hard and try to ignore the globalist left-wing propaganda and just enjoy the sci-fi future version of the age of sail.
     
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    heatlesssun [H]ard as it Gets

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    LOL! Like warp drive, transporters, holodecks and galaxy full of sentient life, some with the power far beyond even Federation understanding and might as well be gods, are left wing agenda items. Star Trek is a vision of a future and of course there's conflict in even the vision, that's part of story telling. And no one is claiming it to be our true destiny.

    Star Trek is story that reaches some people deeply. And often it has nothing to with social justice but personal responsibility and sacrifice. Like the episode "The Menagerie". Spock risked his own life while protecting those around him to give his former captain comfort in his vegetative state. Comfort in the form of an illusion so powerful that travel to Talos IV was still punishable by death in the Federation.

    Again, great stories, lots of imagination and inspiration. Star Trek is why I become interested in computers in a time computers where still science fiction to most people. I will always hold deep respect for Star Trek if for no other reason than that.
     
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    I don't mind the future-tech, same with fantasy stuff in LOTR and the like. You tell me there's warp drives and dragons, no problem. You tell me there's no money, no poverty, and for all practical purposes infinite resources, and then two seconds later you tell me that Captain Picard's dilapidated transport ship from an impoverished miner who is part of the Federation crashes on the way to a negotiation between the miner factions... then I'm confused as shit by the contradiction. In what kind of "socialist post-materialist utopia" do you have impoverished miners working in dangerous and crappy conditions fighting with each other over resources?
    Well, yeah, sure, that's why I said its good drama entertainment, just don't think about it too hard and ignore the socialist propaganda that makes no sense. I've seen every episode of every Star Trek, and watched TOS and TNG episodes more than once.
     
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    The same one where the government will pay for all healthcare and housing but still some live in luxury penthouse apartments while others work in coal mines to provide the power to light and heat those penthouse apartments. Pretty much every socialist government that exists currently on planet Earth.
     
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    Resources are not infinite in Star Trek cannon, especially dilithium. But in a civilization that has tech that's essentially magic in the real world, the resources that are available can be used in ways beyond real life. References to Federation technology being able to transform matter is cannon, while replicators where not in TOS, numerous references were made that the Federation had such technology, like food synthesizes which turned waste into palatable and nutritious food. And the Federation has had numerous energy sources, the matter-antimatter tech needed for warp drive is only one of them, they have fusion generators that only need deuterium for fuel.
     
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    And there's a Star Trek episode about this, The Cloud Minders.
     
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    The one where the rich live in the "cloud city" and the miners live on the ground, I remember that one too. It is actually very accurate to how even the best planned governments can end up corrupt, and it is especially bad when socialism or communism are the foundation of that government. No form of government can ever achieve utopia as long as human nature is involved. But then, could it be considered utopia if it requires forced behavior to overcome human nature?
     
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    And remember also that the Enterprise went to Ardana for a resource, zenite, to help another Federation planet, Merak II, that was suffering a plant plague. The idea that the Star Trek universe is one of infinite resources is more imaginary that Star Trek itself as many of the most interesting stories revolved around limited and vital resources. The fact that Ardana in the obvious fucked up condition it was got into the Federation that on paper would not tolerate the conditions on Ardana probably had a lot to do with its zenite resources.

    So think what you will of Star Trek (not you personally), the idea that it was all about infinite resources is ignorant.
     
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    Heatless, you're not reading what we're saying. We're talking about contradictions. So you saying "Nuh uh, in another episode they show resources are finite", that's exactly what we're talking about... its double-speak, and the Star Trek economy makes no sense.
    Yeah, but later they started inserting socialist doctrine heavily, supporting this idea that in the future everyone is equal, everyone has everything they need, and there's no need for currency and people just work and do what their bosses say for the greater good because they want to, which goes against human nature. You wouldn't be one of those poor miners in crappy conditions for no pay if there was "no need" and "no want" and all your "material needs are met". You'd want your own little ship and be your own boss and have your own holodeck for entertainment and a nice house.
    (guy asks how he'll get a job to support himself, since he lost everything, and Picard says there's no hunger, no want, material needs no longer exist in the future... Kirk in a ST movie also said there's no money in the future, and if there's no currency, there's no trade, but yet there is trade so it makes no sense)
    (Troy explains that poverty doesn't exist in the future)

    But actually, socialist isn't even the right word, Communist is. Because we see clearly that jobs and all material goods and means of production are all owned by a centralized government, in other words Communist.

    Its just pinko propaganda, and its not consistent and makes no sense.
     
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    Do you think a civilization that can build ships like the Enterprise-D is fighting over food and basic medicine? In the standard Star Trek universe, technology transformed human existence. On April 5th, 2063, the drunken genius Zefram Cochrane changed everything for Earth. His discovery of warp drive redefined human existence by definitively answering "We are not alone."

    Who the hell knows that the impact of the realization of that question will bring. The Star Trek universe says it's cool. Plenty of other sci-fi stories, even before Star Trek said, "That's bad, very, very bad."
     
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    What?

    In one episode we have an impoverished miner who pilots a dangerously dilapidated transport that he "captains", he's dirty, and has nothing and apparently conditions are quite dangerous and poor where he is. Wesley, being a dick as usual, even makes fun of him, while Wesley is clean and lives in luxury aboard a galaxy class starship with holodecks, counselors, every need met. Who has the better quality of life? Would not one person envy the other? And getting into the Academy is really hard, with a 60% dropout rate, so clearly even if just based on skill you have a class system in place where the dropouts get crap assignments on spartan boring cargo ships doing drudge work for the rest of their life.

    Our poor today don't struggle over food, and in fact the obesity epidemic in the United States has affected our lowest poverty level people more than any other group. You can be in jail and get free healthcare, free shelter, and free food, but I would reckon that like most people you would say the quality of life is lower than say David Geffen's with his mansion and massive yacht that he cruises on with the Obamas, Oprah, Mariah Carey, and even entertaining young supermodels like Karlie Kloss, would you not?

    Free rations and medicine while all else is unequal isn't the socialist utopia they superficially pretend it is.... its just a bunch of contradictions that don't make sense, as a way to explain an economy that just wouldn't work.
     
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    I think I know the episode you're talking about but I don't think that world is a member of the Federation. The Prime Directive prevents the Federation from using its technology on lesser civilizations for any purpose. Not that PD doesn't get violated constantly, but the Federation doesn't usually go around playing god when it knows there are gods out there.

    You're now arguing over the dropout rate of Star Fleet Academy?

    The US isn't the world. And obesity epidemic has a lot to do with the kinds of foods we eat. Lots of processed sugar and cards. Cheap to make, easy to become obese on.

    What in the hell is all of this? You seem to think Star Trek is real and the last time I checked no one has a replicator capable of producing fresh nutritious food that's not full of processed junk for profit. Everyone alive today is going to be dead in the 23rd Century but you seem to know exactly how it's going to turn out? Seems like you're from the future. Countless ST episodes about that.
     
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    Guys, Star Trek isn't 'unlimited resources', it's 'post-scarcity', in the terms of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

    What's left after the basics are taken care of is self actualization- and that's what people live for in most Trek series.

    And that means that there are still plenty of reasons to fight wars, including for the resources that enable their technology, planets to live on, and hell, the people themselves, which are a resource.


    And with respect to the SJW-ness; that term is used to describe those that have taken the idea of social justice- something any decent human being believes in- and pushed it into the absurd. Star Trek is a representation of social justice done right, essentially an example with comment restricted to exceptions which are usually the subjects of the episodes, not the Federation/Star Fleet crews and organizations that the shows are based around.
     
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