So What Exactly Is A 'Killer Robot'?

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that ANY robot that kills you is a "killer robot."

But not everybody defines “killer robot” the same way. For Clearpath, a killer robot is a robot that can make a decision to use lethal force without human intervention. At Human Rights Watch, the definition is broadened to include any robot that can choose to use force against a human, even if that force isn’t lethal.
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At Human Rights Watch, the definition is broadened to include any robot that can choose to use force against a human, even if that force isn’t lethal.
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That's pretty idiotic. If it doesn't kill, that specifically takes the "killer" out of "killer robot".

Certain groups have always gone off the deep end with unreasonable definitions of things. This is the same group that considers a government that endorses a particular religion (not forcing it's citizens to follow that religion, or making all other religions illegal, just endorsing one) as oppressive. They're not exactly reasonable people.
 
I don't know; even "non-lethal" uses of force end up becoming lethal in many cases. Maybe, "potentially killer robot"? :D
 
Too much ado about nothing. WTF is the difference between killing people with killer robots and smoking entire cities with a Nuc, or a tailored Biological weapon, VX Gas, whatever.

They need to stop worrying about "How we are killing each other" and start focusing on the "Why".
 
Actually I think "killer robots" are a huge deal, politically. The one thing stopping most politicians from warring 24/7/365 is public backlash and outcry over the human cost to the public. Remove that, and the few people that still give a damn today, even when young men and women are actually dying, will stop, and politicians will be able to run rampant across the globe while a blissfully ignorant populace ignores all of it.
 
Robots only do what they're programmed do to. So what we have are killer programmers. :D
 
I don't know how robots can "choose" to kill. They are either programmed to kill or they aren't.
 
boomboy2k1 said:
I don't know how robots can "choose" to kill. They are either programmed to kill or they aren't.
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Choose based on pre-programmed templates and thresholds. Is it considered a threat? How lethal is the threat? Is the threat an enemy or friendly? What is the status of the rest of the battle? If a shot is fired, will it comprise any other variables? etc.etc.etc..

They choose with all the inputs. They are programmed to kill, but they have a lot of if's to consider before it hits the 'then kill mofo'.

Choice isn't like free will of people. It's more like a controlled choice.
 
TwistedAegis said:
Actually I think "killer robots" are a huge deal, politically. The one thing stopping most politicians from warring 24/7/365 is public backlash and outcry over the human cost to the public. Remove that, and the few people that still give a damn today, even when young men and women are actually dying, will stop, and politicians will be able to run rampant across the globe while a blissfully ignorant populace ignores all of it.
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Really? How many troops were getting killed each month in Iraq on average at the worst of times? 20? 50?, that's nothing, that's not a horrendous rate of death, that's chump change. As far as wars go, this is a scrimmage.

Here is the death toll data for both Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://icasualties.org/

I wish I could find something similar on data concerning Iraqi casualties over these years. If anyone has something please share. Here is the one thing that is so often ignored or unsaid, that overwhelmingly most of the deaths in Iraq over these years were caused by other Iraqis and foreign militant fighters, not by the US Military. Were there innocent civilian deaths due to US Action, YES, were there even criminal attacks on Iraqis? YES. But the numbers pale next to what they were doing to each other. Just so you know.
 
TwistedAegis said:
Likely an automated system that can "choose" to kill without human feedback/review of the decision beforehand.
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The only "Choice" that has to be made is;
"is the target friendly or enemy?
"is the target in my engagement zone?
Next target.

The software doesn't need to make judgement calls, all friends have an RFID, everything else in my box dies.
 
lcpiper said:
Really? How many troops were getting killed each month in Iraq on average at the worst of times? 20? 50?, that's nothing, that's not a horrendous rate of death, that's chump change. As far as wars go, this is a scrimmage.
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Yet look at the backlash from even that. It now takes $1M/year for each infantry soldier in Afghanistan now. Probably would actually be cheaper to build and run terminator robots.
 
The rest of the world just wants to restrict robots because they know they can't beat the US in a real war. They want to rack up a bodycount and the Americans will eventually lose spine and leave. No bodies, no bodycount. Hence the global backlash against drones. They want to be able to take shots at Americans.

Its also a bravado thing, fighting to accomplishing something like sieze this hill is generally avoided. It all about bodycount.
 
Yet look at the backlash from even that. It now takes $1M/year for each infantry soldier in Afghanistan now. Probably would actually be cheaper to build and run terminator robots.
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that's not "backlash", that's what you get when you deploy an Army as a Police Force and although some idiot thinks you might buy into the idea that that money is a per soldier expense the truth is far from that. All that money buys the support that is available for all those soldiers, for their equipment, for their fancy computer systems, automated defense systems, researches, humanitarian work, the list is very long and therefor very expensive.

If all we were doing was booting boots on the ground to kill the enemy then the cost would be much cheaper. But hey, that's just what some idiot thinks you'll buy off on.
 
jpm100 said:
The rest of the world just wants to restrict robots because they know they can't beat the US in a real war. They want to rack up a bodycount and the Americans will eventually lose spine and leave. No bodies, no bodycount. Hence the global backlash against drones. They want to be able to take shots at Americans.

Its also a bravado thing, fighting to accomplishing something like sieze this hill is generally avoided. It all about bodycount.
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Roughly 38,000 American service members remain in Afghanistan, the U.S. military told CBS News Thursday, as troop levels hang in the balance with a U.S.-Afghan security agreement still unsigned.
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This is still somewhat current., (Jan 9, 2014)
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-many-us-troops-are-still-in-afghanistan/

Since a US BCT numbers around 4,000 troops we still have plenty enough boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Of course we have them in Iraq still as well. They are called Advisers which of course means Green Berets.

The Green Berets were the greatest invention of the US Military, send in small groups to train, arm, and advise friendly forces on just how they can best fuck up your mutual enemies and make friends forever in the process. It's a thing of beauty.
 
So a smart escalator would be considered a killer robot, since its using non-lethal force on a human? STUPID! Killer = kill. It has to at least get close to causing death.
 
Well, I think they figure that ingenuity will be able to turn an "almost killer robot" into the real deal with a few minor modifications so they are playing it safe and making the fence wide and tall. But you do have to find it funny that they are worried about killer robots which may or may not be better then the real deal all the while there are so many other more effect means of mass slaughter.
 
When they are programmed to be act independently, then they decide to not listen to what you're telling them they should be doing I guess.

I think my wife my be a killer robot :)
 
lcpiper said:
This is still somewhat current., (Jan 9, 2014)
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-many-us-troops-are-still-in-afghanistan/

Since a US BCT numbers around 4,000 troops we still have plenty enough boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Of course we have them in Iraq still as well. They are called Advisers which of course means Green Berets.

The Green Berets were the greatest invention of the US Military, send in small groups to train, arm, and advise friendly forces on just how they can best fuck up your mutual enemies and make friends forever in the process. It's a thing of beauty.
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So basically ISIS rolling right through the place really means we still have it locked down tight.
 
lcpiper said:
This is still somewhat current., (Jan 9, 2014)
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-many-us-troops-are-still-in-afghanistan/

Since a US BCT numbers around 4,000 troops we still have plenty enough boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Of course we have them in Iraq still as well. They are called Advisers which of course means Green Berets.

The Green Berets were the greatest invention of the US Military, send in small groups to train, arm, and advise friendly forces on just how they can best fuck up your mutual enemies and make friends forever in the process. It's a thing of beauty.
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And they did such a great job at it too.

https://news.vice.com/article/iraqi...-claim-they-were-abandoned-by-senior-officers
 
Killer robots will have many benefits. They don't act out of fear so less friendly fire.

Same thing with law enforcement robots. They'll never panic, and shoot an unarmed criminal.
 
BladeVenom said:
Killer robots will have many benefits. They don't act out of fear so less friendly fire.

Same thing with law enforcement robots. They'll never panic, and shoot an unarmed criminal.
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If you thought the 1% were powerful now, wait until it really only takes five or six people to control a mindless army of soldiers and domestic police force.

At least now the soldiers/cops are still people, and have to be motivated to do what they are told and can disobey if they think its BS.
 
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