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So does the HD 6970 have 1536 SP's or 1920?!
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Lorien
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It has always been 1920.
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-137198-1-1.html
AMD is doing the same exact thing they've done on every launch. Send out a cut down sample to AIBs and hold final clocks to just before launch. They did it with the HD4870, with the 5870 and with Barts.
P.S: Here are the leaked XFX slides for Barts showing much lower SPU counts than what the actual retail cards ended up having.
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-137198-1-1.html
AMD is doing the same exact thing they've done on every launch. Send out a cut down sample to AIBs and hold final clocks to just before launch. They did it with the HD4870, with the 5870 and with Barts.
P.S: Here are the leaked XFX slides for Barts showing much lower SPU counts than what the actual retail cards ended up having.
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hope you didn't join to troll... (Sorry, nothing personal - just that anytime people join a forum just during new GPU time raises an eyebrow)
But downloadatoz? Really?
It's not that Chiphell is automatically correct, but they've been doing GPU threads for some time, versus some site that probably just copied the news from elsewhere. Plus, that link is 2 days old, whereas the Chiphell stuff just came out
It has both
Per the thread i've kept track of on Beyond 3d, It would seem that the pro has 1536(24 SIMD), and the XT has 1920(30 SIMD)
So consider yourselves confused.
Yep, this sounds most likely
No, I didn't join to troll. Excuse you.
It's not just 'downloadatoz'. That was just the first link I found. It's all around - even being discussed on Overclockers.
Okay, so the consensus is that HD 6950 will have 1536 and HD 6970 will have 1920?
God, don't you people put two and two together? That means it will kill GTX 580!
That's called circular reporting. One person announces a rumor, and then everyone else reports the same person, citing their 'unnamed' sources
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Again, I don't really care. I don't trust rumors and never have. I barely trusted the rumors that GF110 was going to be called GTX 580.
All I'm interested in is the fact that HD 6970 is going to annihilate GTX 580.
That is just a one line post in another forum and it was posted today. So I don't see how that merits, "it has always been 1920".
If that is the actual count, and if rumor of 4 units vs 5 unit performance are true, then that would be about 50% shader boost, if not bottlenecked by ROPs/Mem bus.
But that is a lot of "ifs" at this point. If all of this lines up, that points to a fair bit larger chip than I was expecting and a probably $450+ price point...
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Yeah, 1920 sounds more realistic to me. A drop in shaders would mean AMD would have to clock the 6970 at 1GHz just to compete with the GTX 580, and that's not likely.
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It wouldn't make sense if the 6970 had less shaders than the 5870, I mean, the 5870 has 1600, why would ATI drop the shaders to 1536? Doesn't make too much sense to me.
4-complex means that its 1536/4 = 384, which is a bit more than the 1600/5 = 320, but 1920/4 = 480 which is definitely much much more
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I just had a thought. The 6870 and 5830 both have 1120 shaders.
I looked at the 7 games in the HardwareCanucks, 6870/50 review at 1920x1200 4xAA.
The average increase for the 6870 was 40% over the 5830.
The 6970 could be a real beast.
I looked at the 7 games in the HardwareCanucks, 6870/50 review at 1920x1200 4xAA.
The average increase for the 6870 was 40% over the 5830.
The 6970 could be a real beast.
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Well, the HD5830 has less than half of the rasterization power... (16ROP vs 32ROP)
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Really ? Care to support that remark with actual proof ?
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what do i have to pull up all the shit talking about the new shader core architecture over the last 3 months again? seriously dude this has been beaten like a dead horse. the new shader architecture is way faster then the old 5 way shader architecture. im not going to sit here and re-post every article that has been posted 10 times in the video card section all over again just to make you happy. the fact that they were able to get almost 5870 performance out of a card running 1120 shaders pretty much settles that argument.
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It has both
Per the thread i've kept track of on Beyond 3d, It would seem that the pro has 1536(24 SIMD), and the XT has 1920(30 SIMD)
So consider yourselves confused.
And remember, Pro is 6950 and XT is 6970.
With the 6870 taking over the $299 price point. I'm guessing that the 6950 slots in around $400 and the 6970 at $499 to position it against the GTX 580 (while beating it in performance). Will we see a 6930 at the $350 mark? There seems to be a big gap in the pricing.
LOL, which goes to show that you know nothing about what you're talking about and (as usual) just like to spread FUD.
Barts uses the EXACT same architecture as Cyrpress. There's absolutely no change in how the ALUs are arranged. It's still 5-ALU wide, only instead of 20 SIMDs (like Cypress), it has only 14, which totals 1120 ALUs.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/19844
So in essence, you know absolutely nothing about how a 4-ALU wide will be, compared to 5-ALU wide. Actually no one does, only AMD. Stop making bold claims that you can't back up with proof, especially since you don't even know the architecture in Barts, which is quite hilarious to say the least, since it's out for a while now!
I think original MSRP for 6850 was 179 and for 6870 229 so I do not see your point to be honest
Plus there are many solutons below 270$
6870 goes for less than 250 retail, I dont know why you are saying it is taking the 299 price point. I honestly don't think that there would be a 6930 because 5830 was pretty much a fail. I am expecting the 6950 to be around 325-350 and 6970 to be between 400-450.
Why dont you stop being a troll, yea he made a mistake. I was going to correct it but I didn't feel it was necessary. Anybody looking for explanation on 4-ALU wide can simplay google it instead of being lazy. You and your asking for proof. He was right when he said it has been beaten to death, he has nothing to prove to you. Why do you have to try and put people down all the time, everyone is good at something. Not everyone is an electrical or computer engineer. I am not one but I do read up on this stuff all the time and I can make sense of the architecture when it is explained to me.
Let me tell you this. If barts has the same architecture which it does, it almost matched the 5870 performance with only 1120 shaders, hmm not even 4-ALU wide just little tweaks to the cypress gave them more performance with 480 less shaders. Just imagine the improvements the 4-ALU design will bring. Just go read the hardocp review of 6870, wher they said that this time it simply wont be just more shaders on the high sku, but cayman will have different architecture than barts.