I can't stand VS games, noone has "fun" like they do with normal co-op games.
I think its related to how small the teams are. In big 32vs32 games people who want to play as a team can play as a team, then people who want to solo it and run around like rambo can still do that, so everyone has fun. In a game which is 4v4 there's no room for anyone who isn't serious and everyone gets tainted by the elitist arseholes who can't possibly be on a team who only wants to have "fun". That's why I end up sticking to games like BFBC2 and MW1 where I can log on and chill out for a while, instead of games like L4D where I have to sit there and listen to whining bitches.
Every small team based game suffers from quitters/afk'ers. It's damn near impossible to come up with a viable solution it seems. Would love to hear any solid ideas.
More specifically with L4D it is hard to stop griefing because the game mechanics are so complex, the problem with L4D is that it's a battle of attrition, it's less about getting rewarded for making right moves and more about punishing you to varying degrees for your mistakes.
This forces players to worry about the mistakes they make, it puts too much emphasis on weak link in the team and really is just a recipe for alienating people, it's frustrating because the team is punished for 1 persons mistakes and obviously that leads to hostility towards team members.
The game is really too unforgiving, the survivors are often thrown into situations that are just clearly unbeatable, vs sometimes throws up tanks in linear tight corridors where you literally have no way to escape, there is always room for blaming someone, it's just not a good gaming environment.
Which is directly related to there being no incentive to keep going when getting ones posterior violated. Moreso when you are not playing with people you know.
I have speech turned off, sorry but the majority of the time there is some ass clown playing L4D DJ saying everyone is baddies or wth the new term is. If people ask if I have a mic I say yeah and when they ask why do I not respond I reply with a kind FU and team kill them..
So you've been playing a lot recently, got 1 idiot in a lobby and you ask if most are mean?
My question is, are most [H] forum posters clueless? I mean, I've been on here for over a year and I just read this thread where this guy was like...
A few people in L4D are dicks, but whatever, it's nothing like people in something like HoN. Completely unforgiving community there.
When I'm playing with new players i usually cut them some slack, but when i'm playing with ppl which have tons of playtime but still can't compete in versus due to : poor-zero communication / 20fps + vsync - gay default rates / wireless 80hz mice - mouse acceleration on / terrible situational awareness because they're playing with speakers instead of headphones then i can be REALLY mean to them like yesterday where i had the day off and played about 6 versus matches and won only 2 of them due to the immense amount of noobiness of my teammates. ( i play usually with members of the l4d2 greek community group only, but the teams are usually random not fixed )
I feel very frustrated at times, it may sound cocky but i have made ppl who have known me for quite a long time ragequit because they happened to be on the opposing team,some of them even accused me for hacking :S keep in mind that I skeet hunters pretty often, shoot boomers through walls/bushes and react like i can see behind walls and have eyes on my back. ( x-fi cmss3d pwns, hehe )
But .... when i'm playing with other 3 greek guys ( haven't pub stomped since last year, honestly, it's boring and feels unfair most of the time ) I can be really mean to them if they don't do follow my orders and rush forward like headless chickens who think its 4vs1.
Call me elitist / nerd i don't care, I got a full time job + a strict cutting diet which forces mean to eat small balanced meals every 3 f*cking hours + I do weights 4 times a week, i don't want to lose to noobs because a member of my team doesn't have even the half amount of skill that i do and/or doesn't follow orders, I've even removed some friends from my list because they costantly made the same stupid mistakes like camping their boomer behind a wall or missing a really easy charge ( like the classic one on dark carnival - chapter 3 - roller coaster ) , and i was usually not the only one who bashed them in-game.
Some other times i can be polite but when i talk like a truck driver and bark like a drill sergeant i usually do it because they 100% deserve it, you can't press right click when you see a charger or be SI and camp behind a wall ( unless obviously you're the hunter and you're standing upright instead of ducking ) it's just not acceptable for someone who has over 800hrs of playtime ffs ! Fyi I preordered a 4pack back in nov 09 and i'm currently at 570hrs total.
Btw rq is a cardinal sin and valve should develop a anti-rq system soon, I very rarely rage,even if my team is full of imbeciles i calm down after the end of second/third chapter and do my best, knowing that we're very likely going to lose in because somebody will screw up and it's 90% certain that I will be the last teamate to blame ( i do mistakes too, but not that often, no problem admiting it ) i have raged about 4-5 times so far and i only did it because the other 3 ppl got their egos destroyed and left, inviting me to join them at another lobby.
i'd team kill you if you started acting like this toward me
Uh, that's not good news at all. Can't wait to play with even more clueless people
TF2 was never competitive to begin with but the game suffered greatly because it went f2p.