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So are you now making a generalization saying that anyone who is upset over this is a conservative?
I don't know to many liberals and left leaning people upset about this.
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So are you now making a generalization saying that anyone who is upset over this is a conservative?
Al Gore falling on his sword? How so? He's make dump trucks full of money pimping the farse that is climate change is man-made.
Allowing the US Government to impose the patriot act and this spying is hard to square up.
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We are the one's that did it? We the people, we allowed it to pass.
Passed the House on October 24, 2001 (Yeas: 357; Nays: 66)
Passed the Senate on October 25, 2001 (Yeas: 98; Nays: 1)
Signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001
This is our government, our system, and we were a part of it if we were old enough to have anything to say on the issue. You can stand there proud fist raise in indignation if you want, but those congressmen only did what we the people allowed them to do.
And that is why it was legal.
Only if you're blind and don't know anything about the history of African-Americans in this country.
We are the one's that did it? We the people, we allowed it to pass.
Passed the House on October 24, 2001 (Yeas: 357; Nays: 66)
Passed the Senate on October 25, 2001 (Yeas: 98; Nays: 1)
Signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001
This is our government, our system, and we were a part of it if we were old enough to have anything to say on the issue. You can stand there proud fist raise in indignation if you want, but those congressmen only did what we the people allowed them to do.
And that is why it was legal.
I do however agree with you that our founders would revolt again...
Nationwide prohibition did not begin in the United States until 1920, when the Eighteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution went into effect, and was repealed in 1933, with the ratification of the Twenty-first Amendment.
Introduced in the House as H.J.Res. 542 by Clement J. Zablocki (D-WI) on May 3, 1973
Committee consideration by: House Foreign Affairs
Passed the House on July 18, 1973 (244–170)
Passed the Senate on July 20, 1973 (75-20)
Reported by the joint conference committee on October 4, 1973; agreed to by the Senate on October 10, 1973 (75–20) and by the House on October 12, 1973 (238–123)
Vetoed by President Richard Nixon on October 24, 1973
Overridden by the House on November 7, 1973 (284–135)
Overridden by the Senate and became law on November 7, 1973 (75–18)
You need to correct your statement. They did what the lobbyist wanted them to do.
Cell phones today are not what they were in 2001
So are you now making a generalization saying that anyone who is upset over this is a conservative?
I'm making generalizations that anyone who's upset over this and specifically point out Obama and/or Gore (sometimes Jimmy Carter) but mention no one else (or no other bodies) of questionable merit are probably doing so more out of the political leanings more so than they think it was a poor choice. Yes.
The Patriot Act;
Passed the House on October 24, 2001 (Yeas: 357; Nays: 66)
Passed the Senate on October 25, 2001 (Yeas: 98; Nays: 1)
Signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001
We are the one's that did it? We the people, we allowed it to pass.
Passed the House on October 24, 2001 (Yeas: 357; Nays: 66)
Passed the Senate on October 25, 2001 (Yeas: 98; Nays: 1)
Signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001
This is our government, our system, and we were a part of it if we were old enough to have anything to say on the issue. You can stand there proud fist raise in indignation if you want, but those congressmen only did what we the people allowed them to do.
And that is why it was legal.
just because he is black does not give him the merit for a noble his being elected was decided by the people having chosen the best of 3 bad candidates twice.
What did you do about it?
Me? I did nothing, I thought about it, and figured if it looked like it was going to go bad, I could do something later, so I did nothing.
The metadata database has phone number, call time, call duration. Had the same thing back then too. No difference at all despite the new tech, the same.
Doesn't change the fact that there was more then enough noise being made about it by privacy rights groups, etc. It wasn't unopposed, but it was passed by overwhelming support.passed 1.5 month after the terrorist hijacking when the country was still going omg things will never be the same some one make me feel safe.
Countless articles from varying publications disagree with you.
Yup, been doing it since like the 60's before they even broke up Ma Bell, I know, and it's been public knowledge for about 25 years.They had gone out to sea and tapped directly into transatlantic cables.
Now this is a turn, breathing air doesn't mean one is breathing.A group of people passing a law does not make that law legal.
What did you do about it?
Me? I did nothing, I thought about it, and figured if it looked like it was going to go bad, I could do something later, so I did nothing.
I'm making generalizations that anyone who's upset over this and specifically point out Obama and/or Gore (sometimes Jimmy Carter) but mention no one else (or no other bodies) of questionable merit are probably doing so more out of the political leanings more so than they think it was a poor choice. Yes.
Unless you wrote your representatives or protested in the streets, or wrote articles in newspapers, or at least spoke with your work mates or neighbors, then you did nothing about it.When they voted on the patriot act none of us had any say in the matter what so ever. You know that just as well as I do. The NSA's powers were never even told to us in any detail so to say that we had a choice and we knew is just an attempt to pass the blame over to people who had no say whatsoever.
And again, in all truth, when they were passing the Patriot Act I did nothing and I got a law for it that I felt could still be undone if it proved to be a threat to my liberty.
You dont think the Patriot act is a threat to your liberty?
Why not? Obama got one and didn't even do anything
Now this is a turn, breathing air doesn't mean one is breathing.
It is legal, and it is constitutional until it is ruled unconstitutional. Then if ruled unconstitutional the law can be challenged and thrown out. Until that day the law is legal by it's very definition.
You dont think the Patriot act is a threat to your liberty?
Only if you're blind and don't know anything about the history of African-Americans in this country.
In fact, the agency is spying on everyone by keeping a detailed log of our private phone calls. This practice was sanctioned by secret court rulings that stretched the words of the Constitution and the Patriot Act beyond recognition. We couldnt challenge these rulings because we werent allowed to know about them. When asked in March whether any such blanket domestic surveillance was taking place, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper lied to Congress and said no. In what universe is it paranoia to be angry about all of this?
First, the telephone records acquired under the program have no connection to any specific FBI investigation at the time of their collection. Second, because the records are collected in bulk potentially encompassing all telephone calling records across the nation they cannot be regarded as relevant to any FBI investigation as required by the statute without redefining the word relevant in a manner that is circular, unlimited in scope, and out of step with the case law from analogous legal contexts involving the production of records. Third, the program operates by putting telephone companies under an obligation to furnish new calling records on a daily basis as they are generated (instead of turning over records already in their possession) an approach lacking foundation in the statute and one that is inconsistent with FISA as a whole. Fourth, the statute permits only the FBI to obtain items for use in its investigations; it does not authorize the NSA to collect anything. (Emphasis added).
So the United States governement commits the crime of the century, Snowden reveals it, and he is the criminal?
Exactly. Obama is guilty of treason.
We are the one's that did it? We the people, we allowed it to pass.
Passed the House on October 24, 2001 (Yeas: 357; Nays: 66)
Passed the Senate on October 25, 2001 (Yeas: 98; Nays: 1)
Signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001
This is our government, our system, and we were a part of it if we were old enough to have anything to say on the issue. You can stand there proud fist raise in indignation if you want, but those congressmen only did what we the people allowed them to do.
And that is why it was legal.
Seriously, you cannot even put this on us. You're always harping about the media... come on man, you should be able to see how the media scared people into accepting this law as the solution to their fears.
How, they don't know who the phone numbers belong to? that database is kept issolated and not cross-referenced with any other database. They are only allowed to bring IN a suspect phone number that they have from another source, and query this database for associated numbers. Then, if the evidence against the original bad guy as good enough, AND if the patterns and levels of activity of the numbers he has talked with are strong enough, then the FISA court will allow them to take those numbers to the carriers to see who they belong to. THEN, once they find out some of those numbers belong to US Persons, then they have to get a warrant to go any further against those US Persons, the rest, the foreigners, those they can just demand from the carrier and the carrier has to cough it up.In fact, the agency is spying on everyone by keeping a detailed log of our private phone calls.
lol at the obama comparisons.
one guy killed an unarmed 16 year old american citizen with a drone.
the other guy worked under the department of defense.