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Please be clearer when you try to refute someone's argument, I have no idea what you are referring to what I might be wrong about.Really?
So this article and pic is wrong then?
The asrock shuts down sata ports instead of the pcie slot. The Asus leaves the sata ports alone but takes away pcie lanes, gotta pick your trade off depending on board.
From the Asrock documentation
Please be noted that if the Ultra M.2 Socket (M2_1) is occupied by a SATA-type M.2 device, SATA3_4, SATA3_5 and the SATA function of the SATA Express connector will be disabled
This is not true, AHCI or NVMe have nothing to do (directly) with which ports or lanes are disabled.Depends if you have AHCI or NVME, Divirge probably has AHCI and that will not be correct on a NVME.
His motherboard might not (most probably won't) be x16 with NVME, which is what most people will get.
NVMe won't go over SATA but that doesn't matter in relation to which ports or lanes are disabled or not allowed to be used.But correct me if I'm wrong but NVME won't "go via" SATA ( PCH/DMI) and therfore both Diverge's (assuming ACHI) and Ail's posts regarding SATA arn't applicable in the discussion earlier where a NVME = PCIE was assumed.
Please be clearer when you try to refute someone's argument, I have no idea what you are referring to what I might be wrong about.
AHCI or NVMe don't decide or influence if the PCIe x16 slot gets to keep all 16 lanes since it's a protocol that runs over the PCIe interface. Diverge has a SM951 which is a PCIe M.2 drive, both available in AHCI or NVMe. But both will be able to work on PCIe 3.0 x4 regardless of it being AHCI or NVMe and the same is true for the motherboard: it won't affect the amount of free PCIe lanes.
It doesn't mention disabling any functions if you use a PCIe M.2, .
Let me ake it clear for you: It makes NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER if your drive is using AHCI or NVMe. Both are command sets that can pass over a bus. There is nothing physically preventing passing NVMe commands over a regular SATA bus, simply that nobody will ever bother to make a controller that does that.My point beeing a AHCI can use SATA Express but NVMe can't therfore, we can't be sure that Diverge has a NVMe and it's unlikely he/she does, since most boards seem to drop the PCIe slot to x8 when Diverges showed it was still running @ x16.
And as a consequence her/his setup is not a good example in that topic...
And then you started your bit..
Let me ake it clear for you: It makes NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER if your drive is using AHCI or NVMe. yada yada yada
simply that nobody will ever bother to make a controller that does that
Whether a board connects the m.2 slot to PCIe lanes from the PCH or the CPU is dependant on that specific manufacturer,
We don't know eachother but EdZ seems to share my frustration with you not reading what we are saying. You have some completely wrong statements and we're trying to explain this to you why they are wrong.
My point beeing a AHCI can use SATA Express but NVMe can't therfore, we can't be sure that Diverge has a NVMe and it's unlikely he/she does, since most boards seem to drop the PCIe slot to x8 when Diverges showed it was still running @ x16.
And as a consequence her/his setup is not a good example in that topic...
And then you started your bit..
So until someone does more tests (not it - my build is already in my ncase case), we won't know for this particular board.
Bear in mind this model does not appear to support 80mm M2 SSDsWe have a Pre order at Scan on the MSI Gaming Pro for the Uk : http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/motherboards-intel/socket-1151-intel-z170-mini-itx
We have a Pre order at Scan on the MSI Gaming Pro for the Uk : http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/motherboards-intel/socket-1151-intel-z170-mini-itx
Bear in mind this model does not appear to support 80mm M2 SSDs
Calling people asshats because they are clearing up misinformation is not the way to go about things.
Well, you replied with "works for me on my asrock" (with out providing your exact setup) when JJ from Asus "said in the video" it wouldn't for the specific board we talked about.
We should be able to conclude that the boards work i different ways and what works on your board is not directly transferable to the Asus. (not surprising) And given youre at that time unknown hardware it's more of a stretch to draw any conclusions.
Either you just wanted to say that it works with your combination, and i'll reply, good for you....
Or you tried to draw a similarity between the boards (ie "if it works for me then it maybe works for you") which we now can conclude isn't possible.
Which is what i tried to point out, when asshat 1 and 2 went to town...
Quick information: Asus has a rather big cashback event running (at least in germany, i don't know about the other regions). If you buy the Z170i until Oct 10 you'll get 25 cashback and a code for BF hardline.
Considering the price of only 130 then i'll go for the Asus board. ~60 more for the ASRock is not worth it IMHO.
Ok, so now that we've moved past that...
I guess the decision for me is down to the ASRock and the gigabyte gaming board. They unfortunately each have a few cons and I'm trying to figure which would be the best choice. I'm guessing based on the comments in this thread that others are in the same boat. Unfortunately, the new MSI board looked pretty promising, right up to the point that it didn't support 2280 m.2 devices... and then it got rejected.
Both Boards:
+ 2280 M.2
+ USB 3.1 Type A+C
+ AC WiFi
ASRock:
+ 4 additional USB 3.0 ports on the back panel
+ Intel NIC
+ HDMI 2.0 (not relevant to me, but I think this is a critical item for others)
- no alpine ridge so non-intel wifi with bluetooth 4.0 (as opposed to 4.2, the new spec which has specific hardware requirements for certain features)
- only 2.1 analog outputs (not a big deal for me, I'd just use optical, but could be a deal breaker for others)
- ~$20 more expensive
Gigabyte:
+ Alpine Ridge Intel Wifi w/ Bluetooth 4.2 (supports WIDI; Thunderbolt 3? Should have it with Alpine Ridge, but not clear on this - conflicting messages)
+ Full analog audio outputs on the backpanel
+ $165, not $185
+ believe it has better audio hardware (still uses the ALC1150 codec, not too certain about this item)
- Killer 2200 NIC
- Limited selection of USB ports (4 less than ASRock)
- no HDMI 2.0
Have most folks made a decision on their board? This seems to be an issue of Intel NIC (which will be my likely connection) w/ extra USB ports vs the Alpine Ridge controller and saving $20 bucks (for me, other factors listed above could be an issue for others).
Anyone know if the software for either is appreciably better? Would appreciate anyone else's perspective on this. What are you getting?
Sorry to ask this but what is wrong with the non Gaming Gigabyte?
it lacks the usb 3.1 and the "wonderful" gaming design. apart from that it is nearly the same, it even has a similar pcb. In my opinion the gaming board is not worth the extra price but I won't get gigabyte because i already have a H77 one and the fan control is horrific, and it hasn't changed since than, however i am satisfied by Gigabyte boards in all other aspects so I'd recommend them if you don't need absolute super-silence
Good question, in all honesty I hadn't looked to hard at the WiFi board because I thought that without USB3.1 you wouldn't have the Type C connector. In looking at the website, obviously that isn't the case (thanks for asking the question!). I build a comp once every 3-5 years, and I was planning on building this one out to last a while so I wanted to make it as "future" proof as possible (fools errand ), so I figured if I could get the new standards that would be ideal since expansion cards obviously aren't going to be much of an option...Sorry to ask this but what is wrong with the non Gaming Gigabyte?
It wouldn't be the first time a manual was completely wrong about a feature, I've had plenty of boards with an "addendum" sheet or two stuck in there along the manual, stating new limitations, unsupported features and incompatibility. I would believe the spokesperson before I do a motherboard manual, that is often filled with generic images and text, often not proofread or fact-checked by people qualified.That still doesn't clarify what the mobo has. It's like the rep saying the 6700k is not supported but an unlocked Skylake i7 is supported in the manual
it lacks the usb 3.1 and the "wonderful" gaming design. apart from that it is nearly the same, it even has a similar pcb. In my opinion the gaming board is not worth the extra price but I won't get gigabyte because i already have a H77 one and the fan control is horrific, and it hasn't changed since than, however i am satisfied by Gigabyte boards in all other aspects so I'd recommend them if you don't need absolute super-silence