UrielDagda
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That's not how it works, and you know it.
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Six Strikes Officially Begins On Monday
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That's not how it works, and you know it.
Suggesting that people stop pirating (which is a seriously mis-used word here) under the thinking that "it belongs to them" is just as disgusting as people thinking they can have whatever they want at no cost "as a right". It's the two sides of the same bad coin.
I don't own that movie (I never claimed to) and they don't own my computer (they do claim to). Neither side will ever win and get somewhere worth being by using the "I'll show you!" kind of attitude. This has gone on too long and has reached absurd lengths. It's not just one small fringe group of people, it's the entire planet (even other countries with their own sets of laws).
The AA's can go screw themselves. If they disappeared tomorrow, sure there would be hell to pay for a little while but the world would be better off for it. It has been made quite clear that people everywhere want easy access to all forms of art and entertainment (as cheap as humanly possible) and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that. I truly believe that a happy median could actually be found if (and only if) the AA's were not such control freaks about it all. The AA's do not build....they destroy. Maybe they once had a viable function, but that time has passed (much like unions). This world is NOT the same as it used to be and people are going to have to come to terms with that. I'm sick and tired of the AA's acting as if THEY ARE THE LAW MAKERS while paying off easily bought politicians to persuade the entire globe to bend to their will and their will alone. The AA's can change things if they wanted to. They don't want to. They actually feel as if they have the God given right to control everything you see and hear. The fact that copyright law (written and maintained by these very same easily bought politicians) helps them in their struggle to maintain control over the world only serves to set their delusional hypocrisies in concrete.
I've had it with their DRM tactics that just break everything. I've had it with their never ending law suits against EVERYONE (even little children and dead people). I would rather have NOTHING (and still not hand over my hard earned money to them) than to submit to their mafia mentality. This is one of the biggest reasons I don't goto theaters to watch new movies anymore.
Torrent is a very good protocol with MANY uses. But like so many other "good" things...innovative technology useful to the world gets outlawed. All because to becomes a threat so someone else's vision of world domination. But, it's only a threat because it average people trying to do what they enjoy.
You can all debate till your blue in the face over the morality of using torrent for so-called "illegal" video and music. If the AA's ever truly actually get their way on this, it will forever change the way the entire internet functions and you will NEVER be allowed to do ANYTHING without saying "mother may I?" first. Just keep in mind that you are being lied to about this whole thing.
I don't own that movie (I never claimed to) and they don't own my computer (they do claim to). Neither side will ever win and get somewhere worth being by using the "I'll show you!" kind of attitude. This has gone on too long and has reached absurd lengths. It's not just one small fringe group of people, it's the entire planet (even other countries with their own sets of laws).
The AA's can go screw themselves. If they disappeared tomorrow, sure there would be hell to pay for a little while but the world would be better off for it. It has been made quite clear that people everywhere want easy access to all forms of art and entertainment (as cheap as humanly possible) and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that. I truly believe that a happy median could actually be found if (and only if) the AA's were not such control freaks about it all. The AA's do not build....they destroy. Maybe they once had a viable function, but that time has passed (much like unions). This world is NOT the same as it used to be and people are going to have to come to terms with that. I'm sick and tired of the AA's acting as if THEY ARE THE LAW MAKERS while paying off easily bought politicians to persuade the entire globe to bend to their will and their will alone. The AA's can change things if they wanted to. They don't want to. They actually feel as if they have the God given right to control everything you see and hear. The fact that copyright law (written and maintained by these very same easily bought politicians) helps them in their struggle to maintain control over the world only serves to set their delusional hypocrisies in concrete.
I've had it with their DRM tactics that just break everything. I've had it with their never ending law suits against EVERYONE (even little children and dead people). I would rather have NOTHING (and still not hand over my hard earned money to them) than to submit to their mafia mentality. This is one of the biggest reasons I don't goto theaters to watch new movies anymore.
Torrent is a very good protocol with MANY uses. But like so many other "good" things...innovative technology useful to the world gets outlawed. All because to becomes a threat so someone else's vision of world domination. But, it's only a threat because it average people trying to do what they enjoy.
You can all debate till your blue in the face over the morality of using torrent for so-called "illegal" video and music. If the AA's ever truly actually get their way on this, it will forever change the way the entire internet functions and you will NEVER be allowed to do ANYTHING without saying "mother may I?" first. Just keep in mind that you are being lied to about this whole thing.
Personally I want people to stop pirating. Not because I think it's immoral and not because I agree with the AA institutes but rather because I want them to die and they will die if people stop pirating music/movies AND stop buying it. If you think you're doing some form of protest by continuing to pirate, you aren't, you're being self entitled , nothing more.
People bitch about how evil these companies are and how shit the content is (and I agree) but then actually seem to think by pirating it they are some how standing up against "the man" when in reality the fastest way to kill them off and cut off their money source is to stop indulging in their content, whether you paid for it or not. But no, that's not an option, because we are too fucking self entitled to do that, God forbid we go without shitty music, movies and TV.
I don't think piracy is immoral and I'm not trying to wear a halo here. I just hate the "protest by self entitlement" attitude which doesn't actually protest anything and just fuels the things people are bitching about.
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It isn't like we can just ignore them. The instant we let up the pressure on IP that they actually have some rational claim to they will seek to expand their control over more vague and general cultural themes.
The brave new world..."I'm lovin' it" (tm)
The brave new world..."I'm lovin' it" (tm)
BUT, why is the response never "well fuck it, lets not pirate their shit and not buy it either!!", it's always "this is shit... I'm gonna keep pirating".
double standards.
I'm guilty too.
However, most of the time, I treat it like a library. I borrow, discover it's shit, then delete (return). 90% of the shit I run across I wouldn't buy anyway
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You don't get it. The AA's will never stop. They will keep taking more and more. They will move on to increase the prices you pay for movies and music, preventing you from ever having it play on two personal devices, and sue anyone who plays music that is audible to another human being in public.
If you buy it first, no one is going to stop you from ripping it so you can play it in your other devices.
Sharing with strangers is a different story.
Have CD/DVD prices gone up over the last 5 years? I haven't noticed
Laws and regulations that come from the largest criminal organization in the world (The U$ government) do not make a convincing argument for what is and isn't moral.
Under your rather narrow-minded definition, Shakespeare, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and, Chopin would all be criminal copyright infringers and be in jail.
http://mises.org/daily/5025/The-Fight-Against-Intellectual-Property
Ideas are not property, no matter what the U$ government says. Stop shilling for the RIAA.
Piracy, in spite of attempts by the imaginary property industry to redefine it, is the boarding of ships to plunder their cargo and to kidnap/murder their crew. Stop trying to equate unauthorized copying with kidnapping and murder.
We aren't talking about them suing you and fining you and putting you in jail. They (ISPs) provide as a service, as part of that service, they can monitor your usage (unless the agreement you signed said they couldn't) and based on that usage they can legally refuse you service. If you go in to an establishment and behave like a douche, they are within their rights to refuse you service, this is much the same thing.
They can only keep taking more and more if people keep giving them more and more. They can't just take any and all music, they can only take music that artists have signed away their rights to and they can only pay off the government and other companies like ISPs as long as people keep giving them money.
But rather than protesting by abstaining from the entertainment they provide... people protest by taking it anyway. Am I the only one that thinks protesting based on self entitlement is completely detrimental?
The ISPs forfeited their right to do things like that when they got in bed with the government to gain a state-imposed monopoly.
When the cable and telephone companies stop trespassing on people's property to run their infrastructure, then they can claim the right to limit the use of their networks.
Applicable video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oWPqcWt8Es
The digital age is upon us and has been for a long time now. If media companies refuse to evolve then too bad for them. I subscribe to Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime streaming, HBO, Xbox Music Pass, and probably a few others I've forgotten off the top of my head. I pay ridiculous amounts of money for HDTV channels every month as well. I owned very few DVDs, I've never owned any Blu-Ray, I am fully on-board with streaming content the new digital future of distribution (hello steam!). If something I want to watch isn't available with multiple video/music subscriptions then I will go get it on my own. I'm not a freeloader, I would pay more if there these media companies provided the way. They have not. The revenue lost is their problem, not mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oWPqcWt8Es
The digital age is upon us and has been for a long time now. If media companies refuse to evolve then too bad for them. I subscribe to Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime streaming, HBO, Xbox Music Pass, and probably a few others I've forgotten off the top of my head. I pay ridiculous amounts of money for HDTV channels every month as well. I owned very few DVDs, I've never owned any Blu-Ray, I am fully on-board with streaming content the new digital future of distribution (hello steam!). If something I want to watch isn't available with multiple video/music subscriptions then I will go get it on my own. I'm not a freeloader, I would pay more if there these media companies provided the way. They have not. The revenue lost is their problem, not mine.
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Wow, you are downright defective. Do you even understand how the idea of society works? Would you rather be in Iran and being truly oppressed? Lunatic.
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Well, I've got my Screw The RIAA/MPAA resource kit well up and running. Got an offshore seedbox, which I only connect when on a VPN server located in a different country. And Usenet of course.
All of my sevices, seedbox, vpn, and usenet, are paid for with anonymous Visa gift cards, And of course non of these services were set up with my personal email address. The email addresses used for these services were set up and are logged into from a public IP or VPN.
The Six Strikes plan can suck balls
Oh, and if someone is new to VPNs and thinking of getting one, its time to ditch that Windows firewall for something like Comodo to stop potential "leakage." A better firewall will allow you to set policies all traffic on the machine outside the VPN is blocked. This way, should the VPN server go down or hickup etc, your machine won't continue with whatever online activity exposing your home ip.
All of my sevices, seedbox, vpn, and usenet, are paid for with anonymous Visa gift cards, And of course non of these services were set up with my personal email address. The email addresses used for these services were set up and are logged into from a public IP or VPN.
The Six Strikes plan can suck balls
Oh, and if someone is new to VPNs and thinking of getting one, its time to ditch that Windows firewall for something like Comodo to stop potential "leakage." A better firewall will allow you to set policies all traffic on the machine outside the VPN is blocked. This way, should the VPN server go down or hickup etc, your machine won't continue with whatever online activity exposing your home ip.
No! No! No! Get your internet-political talking points right man!
When someone disagrees with something the government does (no matter how rational), you need to counter with "Well, if you don't like it, you can go live in Somalia where they have no government!"
I can't speak to what land you live on or for alot of older homes, but in new communities....that's a discussion best suited for the developer. It's kinda hard to complain about cable/phone peds that were already there 'before' someone buys the home. The property developer and these companies are supposed to set all this up correctly. But like so many other things...logic doesn't always win out.
Anyway, back to the topic.
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"Piracy" is the term used in common parlance. If you don't like that, I don't care, but it's the term everyone uses... accurate or not.
As for "ideas" being property, even the IP laws in the US explicitly disclaim any coverage of ideas, so either you're ignorant of the laws you hate, or you have some kind of axe to grind. Machines, inventions, discoveries and creations are protected under IP law. Not ideas.
Finally, if you are so enamored with Austrian law (via your mises.org link), maybe you should stop living in a country run by the largest criminal organization and move THERE.
For those of us that create, invent and innovate, IP laws make our living possible. I'm sorry that gets in the way of your mooching.
I gave up when I discovered dami's political philosophy is grounded in an illusion of what human behaviour and society could be which is so far from reality that it's hard to take seriously.
"Piracy" is the term used in common parlance. If you don't like that, I don't care, but it's the term everyone uses... accurate or not.
As for "ideas" being property, even the IP laws in the US explicitly disclaim any coverage of ideas, so either you're ignorant of the laws you hate, or you have some kind of axe to grind. Machines, inventions, discoveries and creations are protected under IP law. Not ideas.
Finally, if you are so enamored with Austrian law (via your mises.org link), maybe you should stop living in a country run by the largest criminal organization and move THERE.
For those of us that create, invent and innovate, IP laws make our living possible. I'm sorry that gets in the way of your mooching.
People made livings off of creative works long before imaginary property existed. Shakespeare made quite a comfortable living even though he didn't have the benefit of state-given imaginary property.
The moochers and parasites are those that use imaginary property and other state granted privileges to oppress others because they cannot continue to innovate and they do not wish to compete.
Machines, inventions, and discoveries are all ideas. They fall under the category of Platonic Universals; characteristics that can be instantiated into physical objects.
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They'll never stop sneakernet.
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They'll never stop sneakernet.
don't be too sure
A society with a government intrusive enough to stop sneakernet is precisely what these statists want.
Modred189
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All that changes when copying becomes easy and accurate.
What is this 'imaginary property' you speak of? Pictures, machines, music, books... I'm prtty sure none of that is imaginary. I can hold all of it in my hand...
Congrats, you just defined EVERYTHING THAT EVER EXISTED.
Your arguments are based on philosophies that have been historically rejected by the majority of people, including the people who are the creators, inventors and innovators you clearly vilify. Or maybe envy.
The definitions you use are so broad as to be meaningless, and would gut the livings of people who define and advance our culture and society.
I kind of feel bad for you, because under such a system, creative works are worth so little. I'd welcome you to our side when you are ready. Everything is better over here!!!
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Hence the drones... And with the new anti anonymous act that they're trying to pass (this one failed, but they'll just keep trying) they'll be able to associate a person seen by the drones, with an online identity, for full seamless tracking of specific individuals, and the whole thing will be automated. Person keeps googling for torrents, and then buys a hard drive, they HAVE to be pirating, right? FBI then raids the house.
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I miss the BBS days and my 2400 baud modem. Life seemed so much simpler.
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I love how you nuts spend so much time, money, and effort to try to do this crap rather than just work, earn it, and buy it. You'd probably come out ahead, anyway... unless you're a skilless nitwit entitlement-society leecher.
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That is just disgusting. Some of that I knew but some of it is just shockingly morally corrupt.
MavericK
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I don't think there is any kind of math you can use that would actually make what you're saying a reality.
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Did you read the whole sentence? Unless you're working minimum wage, you're probably going to come out ahead
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Just make sure you pay for that seedbox with something anonymous like Visa gift cards and don't use real info, personal emails etc. Don't be the low hanging fruit.
I just got a seedbox not too long ago and like it. Many layers of the onion to peel back if those 'AA bastards want to find me.
I'm sure there's a fair amount of those out there, but for me its ease of use. I've paid my fair share, and continue to do so. But its easier for me to download a ripped Bluray/DVD than compress my own. Even then the "studios" don't like that I'm putting them on a NAS and streaming them to anywhere in the house....and even more pissed that I put multiple low-res cartoons on a DVD-R to play in my minivan for my kids, put it on the android tablet, my phone, etc.
All of these DRM measures piss me off to no end. Even HDMI pisses me off with the constant problems of handshaking between devices, and that's when I'm using my DVD/Bluray player and a bought disc!
The day the studios allow me to buy a movie, digital or disc that has no DRM and allows me to download it as well for not some ridiculous "premium" tacked on, and have the rights to do whatever the hell i want to do with the file, then I'll stop using Usenet and Torrents.
Until then, VPN and Torrrent+Usenet
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Did you read the whole sentence? Unless you're working minimum wage, you're probably going to come out ahead
I've decided that there's no saving these people. They dig their own graves and wonder why, in 40 years, they have no retirement, savings etc for old age. Of course, they'll mooch then too, but suffer for it, while I'll be sitting happy in the tropics, enjoying myself as opposed to sitting in a trailer somewhere, hugging my "seedbox."
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Peerblock only blocks known potential snoopers. In short, it doesn't do much.
You'd be better off with a VPN like privateinernetaccess, which if you buy for the year comes out to $3.33/mo.
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If its worth buying then people will pay.
Only took me to get burned once. Now im a firm believer in try before you buy.Especially games.
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