SideArmD SA4 case, CNC + AIO + 9.35L

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  1. Boil

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    I just really like the idea of CPU / GPU custom loop water cooling that does not need to compromise for a window...!

    Kind of a bummer that you are going back to FlexATX (not that it is a bad thing), I was excited because the design up until the change BACK to FlexATX would have allowed me to use this SF600 I have sitting here; and it would have addressed some of the things I did not like about the M1 (no window option without losing the best placement for a radiator& the need for an external reservoir for a full custom loop)...

    I REALLY like the idea of having ALL of the WC loop components within the chassis. and if they can be (tastfully) displayed via a window, yet still offer top cooling performance, all the better...!
     
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  2. Necere

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    Heh... you're really pushing hard for this, aren't you? Alright - interest noted.

    Also I'm not set on using flex over SFX. It really depends how some of the units coming out turn out. The smaller size is nice, but the potential for increased noise isn't.
     
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    Yeah, sorry, I just want a quality (product & performance) WC loop for mITX where EVERYTHING is in the chassis, yet I can still have a little bling via the windowed panel...

    And by 'a little bling', I am talking mainly about the liquid showing thru on the reservoir & tubing; everything else would be Acetal/Nickel blocks, for that blacked out look...

    I would love to get UV-reactive fluid, and use UV LEDs (the kind that can mount in a G1/4 plug, so the UV light is not 'painting' the interior of the chassis, only interacting with the fluid itself) to light it up; since the blocks would not be showing the fluid, just the tubes & reservoir would 'glow'...
     
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    They make UV 'spotlights', too, so you could do custom power cables and aim the lights just at them, so they light up along with the tubing.
     
  5. wahaha360

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    The initial project stalled, but I never gave up.

    Specification

    Material: CNCed from 10mm 6061 aluminum + 1.5mm aluminum metal brackets
    Side panels: Vented Panel / Tempered Glass / Acrylic, window on both sides
    Colors: Anodized sand blasted space gray for exterior, anodized black for interior

    Dimensions (W x H x D): 210 x 135 x 330, 9.35L
    Graphic cards support: Three-Slot Slot GPU up to 315mm
    Motherboard support: Mini-ITX
    Power Supply support: SFX
    CPU Heatsink support: 70mm height (Noctua L12S)
    Water cooling support: 120mm AIO at 30mm thick
    Drives: 2 x 2.5" HDD/SSD
    I/O ports: 2 x Type-C, Power button
    Risercard: Includes PCIe 16x hard riser

    Renderings
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    * 2 x 120mm fans + 30mm thick radiator + custom DDC Block Pump

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    * back panel is interchangeable to support 3 slot GPU or 2 slot GPU
    * 2 slot GPU configuration allows for 70mm CPU cooler height, ideal for Noctua L12S
    * 3 slot GPU configuration allows for 48mm CPU cooler height, ideal for AIO block pump

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    * 3 slot GPU configuration provides intake clearance for 2 slot blower GPUs behind glass window

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    * flip the case to get better cooling on high end parts


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    Feedback appreciated!
     
  6. javidan

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    Does just admitting that I'm pretty much a mega fan of your cases having already owned 3 of the Ncase M1s, still holding onto them *and* still appreciating all the effort into the details to two of you did for it count as feedback?

    I have been lurking and just looking at all the other concepts which haven't taken off so far hoping you'd produce yet another insane M1 alternative.
     
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  7. Nanook

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    Love this configurable design. With CNC, you may be able to design for rounded edges and corners, where it is challenging to do so with sheet metal. Not necessarily turn it into a soft blobby mess, but the opportunity to take advantage of the machining process.
     
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    I like the idea of shifting the middle wall, but isn't CNCing this going to be overly expensive for what you want to achieve?
     
  9. Necere

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    I appreciate that, but I should clarify that the M1 is 100% my work, while the SideArmD is 100% w360's. I have no direct involvement in its design. All I can claim credit for is the original Sidearm (no -D) name, and perhaps inspiring the layout.
     
  10. wahaha360

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    The project will be subsidized by me, so it will be very similar in price with other cases on SFF, but limited in quantity.
     
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  11. Esso

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    I am mostly lurking with high anticipation & excitement.

    Many similar projects have omitted front i/o, likely for asthetics, cost, or volume constrains.

    I would be very pleased with 1 or 2 USB-C ports... or a modular option like we’ve seen on other projects here (but prettier ;) ).
     
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    We are working on 2x USB-C for the case.
     
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  13. javidan

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    Wow, when I saw SaperPL's reply that was my thought too, that CNC would blow the cost out of whack compared to stamping.

    And it's again, insane stuff like this where you kill yourself in terms of details gone into compatibility which blows me away.
     
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    fwiw, if you can ship this to New Zealand , I'd pay an unsubsidised price for it.
     
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  15. wahaha360

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    * another look at the GPU intake clearance using 3 slot configuration

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    * ventilated side panel
     

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  16. wahaha360

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    Target price USD 240 - 270, limited quantity
     
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  17. wahaha360

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    Update: Space Gray, Black and Silver prototypes for CES 2019
     
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    * ventilated metal side panel
     
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    Update : size comparison, to help you guys visualize (dimensions do NOT include protrusions or feet)

    Edit: fixed dimensions for Louqe Ghost!

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  20. QuantumBraced

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    Great, this solves all the issues I have with the A4 -- adequate CPU cooling, dust control, and solid windows. I think an extra 2L for all of that is worth it. I love my M1, but I've been wanting to get something tiny with windows and the M1's window option is not great for streamlined airflow. I'll be buying this.

    A couple of questions, sorry if they've already be asked on the other forum. What is the airflow clearance for the bottom intakes, i.e. length of the feet? Please say at least 1cm, I think anything less is inadequate. I'm a little confused as I don't see any feet or the case being raised at all in the renders. And how would flipping it work with airflow clearance/feet?

    And second, why not raise the PSU a bit, it seems unnecessarily low. You don't want cables to be too close to the fan.
     
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    I asked about the case feet on SSF and this was his reply.
     
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    I see, thanks. So 5mm. That's pretty bad. :( At least with the case being fairly well sealed, the negative pressure orientation will draw air almost entirely from the bottom vents, so if you filter those you shouldn't get more dust than with the intake orientation/positive pressure. However, the graphics card would be upside down, which I really don't like. Okay, well I'll wait for some temperature tests then, but for a 120mm AIO, 5mm of airflow clearance is very restricted.

    How would flipping the case work feet-wise?
     
  23. wahaha360

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    Using 5mm feet:
    - for the 120mm AIO fan, the intake clearance is 30 + 5 = 35mm
    - for the rear fan by the mobo, it’s 5 + 5 = 10mm

    The feet can attach to the Top or Bottom Panels through the vent holes. That also means you can use other taller meet as well and attach with a screw through the same vent hole.
     
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    More renderings, why not.

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    There are two positions to mount the GPU (higher and lower), as you can see from the image below, the higher GPU mounting point gives adequate airflow room.

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  27. {NG}Fidel

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    This is awesome.
    You guys sold me on SFF with the Ncase and you keep outdoing yourselves.
     
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    Well to be fair, a radiator is basically a duct, so you still only have 5mm of intake clearance, but the rad/duct would help with turbulence. Also, if you put a dust filter, especially the looser ones like Demciflex or Silverstone, you're looking at even more obstruction, those filters may even touch the desk. Why not use 1cm feet? You'd get much better temps.

    Does the case come with filters by the way?

    I meant the PSU, seems like it could be moved up higher, so that the cables coming out of it don't interfere with the AIO undreneath.

    I like the idea of supporting 240mm AIOs. Would it take too much work/volume increase to accommodate regular 240mm AIOs, not just the one from Alphacool?
     
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  29. wahaha360

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    CES 2019, special thanks to 3lfk1ng for thermal testing and volunteering his Ghost S1 + 26mm Top Hat

    Test Setup
    SideArmD Project Prototype 1
    Intel i9-9900K + Asus Z390 ITX
    Fr33Flow 48mm CPU Block + Pump Prototype 1
    Koolance HX-CU420V Radiator (120x30mm, 30FPI, *Copper)
    Noctua Sterrox Fan (120x25mm, one mounted on Koolance radiator, one beneath motherboard)
    Nvidia RTX Titan
    Samsung 960 EVO SSD



    Results
    Ambient temperature probably around ~25C
    WITHOUT OC, CPU-Z stress test max temperature ~65C
    OC all 8 core to 5ghz, (unstable & ran out of time to test more), ~85C
    * there is no side panel on the CPU side (it was late, prototype 2 is more relevant for benchmark)
    * case in pull mode, where radiator is on the bottom, 5mm feet
    * thanks to 3lfk1ng, |||, PlayfulPhoenix, 3feetcat, for helping despite insane schedule during CES



    Prototype 2 revision
    move PSU and GPU upward to allow better airflow from fans, so temps should be better
    add cable mgmt clasps
     
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  30. wahaha360

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    Nothing stopping you from putting 10mm+ feet.

    We already tested the 120mm Koolance Radiator + Noctua 120x25mm Sterrox Fan via 9900K, I will post temperatures later, but it's not a concern at all, in fact, I don't think we even need 240 AIO.

    Dust filer needs some testing, there is some trade off with temperature, so TBD.
     
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  31. QuantumBraced

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    Brilliant. Maybe I'll just DIY the rest of the case while I'm at it, then I won't have to buy one at all. ;)

    Was this a shot without feet? It appears that the case is completely flush with the desk there. It's good that stock temperatures are decent, but I think it goes without saying that almost everyone would want to use filters. That's part of the problem, at 5mm a lot of filters would almost touch your desk, especially saggy ones like Demciflex or Silverstone.

    I could be wrong, I'd just like to see some testing with filters.
     
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    Great visual appearance and internal structure design. But 2 x 2.5 - oh common.. No chances for a third? :)
     
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    There is M.2, which is better than 2.5" SSD really.
     
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    Oh I completely forgot about them. But looking at your pics I see that standoffs are very short - does m2 fit there especially with riser cable occupies most of the space there?
     
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    Yes, the standoffs are spec (7mm).
     
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    Noctua L12S fit verified, all 70mm of it (2 GPU Slot mode)

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