Sexting Teens Face Charges

I don't think many if anyone is defending him or his actions, I certainly wasn't. He deserves to be punished, but as was pointed out his sentence is nearly that of a rapist. The stigma that goes along with being a sex offender will ruin a life, or in this case destroy the future of a young person.

I don't know first hand but I would bet that a DUI or possesion of a controlled substance on your record would get you questions during a job interview. A sex offender would never get the interview.

I agree also that the "child" should be tried in a seperate case for creating the CP. How many of you thinking he got what he deserved disagree with that?

Finally, I think that it's absurd to call a 16 year old a child. A 16 year old can be tried as an adult in rape cases...but now I'm getting off topic.
 
mnewxcv said:
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*THIS* is disturbing.

;)
 
NoEcho said:
The problem isn't with teen sexting. It's with teen asstards using those photos as ammunition to destroy the reputation of a person they're having issues with.
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No "sexting", no ammunition. But then, we rarely blame the cause nowadays, do we?
 
ged demn no edit button >=[


don't bring up "then someone can pick a fight with someone and then kill them and get away with it the way you put it"

i'm talking about legitimate fights, if someone incites a fight knowing they're going to win and kill a person, it's murder, however if someone gets into a fight and loses and dies with it being based off the circumstances the person who killed them should not be held liable or atleast not on the level of murder.
 
UrielDagda said:
Yeah, that might have made more sense in the days before the laws became so complex that no single human could start reading them from page one, and still be sifting through them 50 years later.

Or maybe that's precisely why somebody came up with that phrase... And it's irony has been lost over time. :D
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Trust me I agree. I do feel sympathy for the guy. I think everyone on the planet has more than once done something out of anger and regretted it later on. Still, he had to have some kind of hint that this wouldn't just be taken lightly by the girls family.

The girl also has to go through life now. Knowing that a mistake in sending pics of her naked have probably already hit the net, and or everyone at her school. She's gonna be going through hell as well. Granted her's may only last a few years.

Spirit and wording of the law. Plus whose interpretation at the time......It's all a big cluser fuck. I think the only folks that are gonna win in the end are the lawyers making money.
 
Mavvok said:
the example you provided was getting into a fight, i don't know what state you live in, but in california you can be ticketed (and possibly arrested, i don't know first hand) for saying something to someone that can incite a fight.

the point is, if it's one sided, it's murder, if it's two people fighting and one dies, it's a fight and is no different from survival of the fittest.

petitioning would be a sweet idea, too bad i live in the one state that votes democrat every time around and yet passed prop 8 (you know what i'm talking about, yep, i live in california)

unfortunately in american society, majority rules.
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Alright, I concede I used a poor example. However, even self defense in this country can be used against you. I got a friend thats on probation now for catching and hitting a guy breaking into his car. He hit the guy with a bat. Did 3 months for assault and has to finish out the year with probation. Funny thing is the kid got attempted joyriding and a lesser sentence than my friend.

I do agree that being placed on a sex offender list and having to go to counciling with sex offenders is very extreme. Maybe something more along the lines of anger management. He's definitely showing issues with letting shit go.

The problem here is this. If you make consessions for this guy. What's to prevent someone who did distribute pics of underage kids from using a similiar defense. I'm no legal expert by a long shot. I had problems understanding the contract I signed for my car loan lol.

It's kind of a catch 22. The intent of the law is being held up. I think the spirit of it is failing. I do believe though that the guy had to have understood that his actions would have created some kind of problem for him in the future.

Thinking about this even more. I'm beginning to believe that the penalty is being set so high to prevent teens from sexting. Seriously though, and being a parent myself. I think that if your little girl is doing this, it's more from a father failing to provide the attention she needed. A guy doing this.....hmmmm could be signs of an even deeper mental issue.....or just a guy being a dipshit. Maybe a guy doing this would be the same thing. Not enough attention as a kid.

Eh too much deep thinking for my simple mind.
 
wickedld9 said:
Finally, I think that it's absurd to call a 16 year old a child. A 16 year old can be tried as an adult in rape cases...but now I'm getting off topic.
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Yeah, if they are the perceived victim, they are children, if they are adults.. It's the system that wants to have it both ways. It's a paradox that most people just choose to ignore. And it leads to some of the most ridiculous, inane outcomes too.
 
ok heres a leap of logic
lets say the AoC is 16 in a state which it is in most
an 18 year old and 16 year old can have sex all they want and its legal but take pics and the older one or worse BOTH are sex offenders?

better yet both are 16
in that case your saying that they should be tried as an adult for breaking a law that was meant to protect children
Wait what?

/faceplam
 
Elios said:
ok heres a leap of logic
lets say the AoC is 16 in a state which it is in most
an 18 year old and 16 year old can have sex all they want and its legal but take pics and the older one or worse BOTH are sex offenders?

better yet both are 16
in that case your saying that they should be tried as an adult for breaking a law that was meant to protect children
Wait what?

/faceplam
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Hell, I remember some time back reading about a 12 year old girl that got knocked up by a 13 year old boy in Florida... And they both got arrested for raping each other.
 
Wrench said:
Alright, I concede I used a poor example. However, even self defense in this country can be used against you. I got a friend thats on probation now for catching and hitting a guy breaking into his car. He hit the guy with a bat. Did 3 months for assault and has to finish out the year with probation. Funny thing is the kid got attempted joyriding and a lesser sentence than my friend.

I do agree that being placed on a sex offender list and having to go to counciling with sex offenders is very extreme. Maybe something more along the lines of anger management. He's definitely showing issues with letting shit go.

The problem here is this. If you make consessions for this guy. What's to prevent someone who did distribute pics of underage kids from using a similiar defense. I'm no legal expert by a long shot. I had problems understanding the contract I signed for my car loan lol.

It's kind of a catch 22. The intent of the law is being held up. I think the spirit of it is failing. I do believe though that the guy had to have understood that his actions would have created some kind of problem for him in the future.

Thinking about this even more. I'm beginning to believe that the penalty is being set so high to prevent teens from sexting. Seriously though, and being a parent myself. I think that if your little girl is doing this, it's more from a father failing to provide the attention she needed. A guy doing this.....hmmmm could be signs of an even deeper mental issue.....or just a guy being a dipshit. Maybe a guy doing this would be the same thing. Not enough attention as a kid.

Eh too much deep thinking for my simple mind.
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things change when you turn into a parent trying to shelter your child, but the truth is, sex should not be treated as taboo, the reason naked pictures of someone can ruin their reputation is because of society.

if sex wasn't natural you and i wouldn't be here today, because there was no kama sutra back in the stone ages, there was "hey, here's a hole, i wonder what happens if i put this in it"
and voila, you have the sequence of events leading up to you getting squeezed out.

i'm not justifying pedophilia by any means, however i think setting an age at 18 is absurd, it's almost as if they set it up that way to be a trap, you know, like cops sitting around turns on the freeway, yeah...

anyways, the point is, people are too uptight nowadays about EVERYTHING, and the government abuses the fact that people are ignorant.
 
If she had never sent nude pictures she took of herself, none of this would have ever happened. Umm, now who is getting sentenced? The boy? 25 YEARS...?! They haven't even been ALIVE that long. wtf?

I think the court system acts immature at times and is fucked. Does that mean it's a pedophilia court system?
 
Yeah the girl needs to be charged as well for sending out kiddy porn, even if it is of herself.
 
wickedld9 said:
I don't think many if anyone is defending him or his actions, I certainly wasn't. He deserves to be punished, but as was pointed out his sentence is nearly that of a rapist. The stigma that goes along with being a sex offender will ruin a life, or in this case destroy the future of a young person.
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The American court system, and the penal system attached to it, have never been called "The Criminal Rehabilitation System" or "The Crime Prevention System". They have, however, been frequently and accurately called "The Justice System". This is about Justice.

This wasn't just sending her nudes to a few friends for some yuks. He sent them to over 70 people, including her close family and teachers. He made a premeditated, deliberate, and exceedingly thorough attempt to destroy her life. He did everything within his power (that he thought he could get away with) to ruin her as completely as he possibly could.

Now, for the next 25 years at least, his own life has been ruined because he's now on the sex offender list.

Justice has been served.
 
KaiserWarrior said:
The American court system, and the penal system attached to it, have never been called "The Criminal Rehabilitation System" or "The Crime Prevention System". They have, however, been frequently and accurately called "The Justice System". This is about Justice.

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Justice has been served.
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You don't know anything about the US Criminal Court System.

<a href=http://law.jrank.org/pages/12048/Criminal-Courts.html>http://law.jrank.org/pages/12048/Criminal-Courts.html</a>

""Criminal courts not only serve to determine guilt or innocence, but also often provide rehabilitation programs and other social services for offenders as well as victims.""

Where the fuck does it talk about your pathetic version of "Justice" in there? But it sure does talk about rehabilitation and social programs. We don't want to turn 1st offense criminals into lifetime criminals, we want to rehabilitate them.
 
snowden said:
You don't know anything about the US Criminal Court System.

<a href=http://law.jrank.org/pages/12048/Criminal-Courts.html>http://law.jrank.org/pages/12048/Criminal-Courts.html</a>

""Criminal courts not only serve to determine guilt or innocence, but also often provide rehabilitation programs and other social services for offenders as well as victims.""

Where the fuck does it talk about your pathetic version of "Justice" in there? But it sure does talk about rehabilitation and social programs. We don't want to turn 1st offense criminals into lifetime criminals, we want to rehabilitate them.
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Yes, and it does such a great job of it, what with 60% recidivism rates and all.

:rolleyes:

Protip: A system does not fail to do what it was supposedly designed to do over 50% of the time.
 
he should have saved that idea and used it against an adult who wronged him.
what the hell was that dude thinking. i thought it was common knowledge that 18 and over is considered adult, but dumb ppl manage to amaze me.
 
snowden said:
I guess some people only understand black & white lines. By your 'logic' if he was 5 minutes younger than 18 years old then he is not a sex offender, but wait those 5 minutes and suddenly it's up to him to think of and know about the consequences to all of his actions. As if there is something magic about being alive for 18 years. Damn shame he didn't get in before the fucking deadline.
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We have to draw the line somewhere. With the exception of drinking at age 21 (which should be 18, but I digress) for all intents and purposes at age 18 you are an adult. You can buy cigarettes, go to a strip club, change your name, rent an apartment, get married, go to war, etc. You're an adult and even though you might not have been 5 ago you still need to act like it.

I agree that being a registered sex offender for the next 25 years is pretty damn harsh, and perhaps some adjustment to this particular law is needed, but you have to draw the line somewhere or else now we have to make an exception for EVERY person that committed a crime when they were 18 years old and *insert minutes here*.
 
Fendrix said:
We have to draw the line somewhere. With the exception of drinking at age 21 (which should be 18, but I digress) for all intents and purposes at age 18 you are an adult. You can buy cigarettes, go to a strip club, change your name, rent an apartment, get married, go to war, etc. You're an adult and even though you might not have been 5 ago you still need to act like it.

I agree that being a registered sex offender for the next 25 years is pretty damn harsh, and perhaps some adjustment to this particular law is needed, but you have to draw the line somewhere or else now we have to make an exception for EVERY person that committed a crime when they were 18 years old and *insert minutes here*.
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Sounds reasonable to me, and sane too.
 
It's sex discrimination that she wasn't charged. She produced and distributed child pornography. Other minors have been charged for less. Not that I agree with thought crimes. Time for people to get over their Muslim like prudery, and quit forcing their religious values on everyone.
 
Bamboo said:
This guys an asshole. Bad shit happens to bad people.
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REALLY. WTF was he thinking sending to her parents and grandparents for Christs sake. :rolleyes: Can't do the time, don't do the crime.... What a dick-head....
 
BladeVenom said:
It's sex discrimination that she wasn't charged. She produced and distributed child pornography. Other minors have been charged for less. Not that I agree with thought crimes. Time for people to get over their Muslim like prudery, and quit forcing their religious values on everyone.
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Yes, this is clearly all about the religious right. :rolleyes:
 
So she sends a nudie pic, he gets 25 years of being labeled a "rapist?" Ridiculous. Then again, I know of a guy that had to register as a child sex offender because some lady saw him pissing outside and there was a kid in the car...a baby! Sometimes I really wish I lived on an island... :(
 
Jack Hammer said:
I think it's about time people learned there are consequences for actions. He did something stupid and illegal, therefore he gets the punishment. There's a very easy way to avoid getting your future ruined: Behave.
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This about sums it up for me.
 
I agree with other people's opinions, both for the victim/law as well as the offender. The girl should know better to distribute anything without expecting it to maybe eventually become public. Just like everyone here should know that anything they post (myself included) is out there for the world to see/read. The boy/kid (and I would label him as a "kid" based on his actions) did not think about the consequences and he should accept punishment. However, there is a bit of dispropotionate punishment in this case based on the assumption (and I'm assuming here) that he sent the pic to embarrass his ex. NOT to distribute child porn.

Intent and/or context is the key here, I think, so the 25 years as a registered sex offender is a bit much. It's kind of like using a 20-pound sledgehammer to tack up a family portrait on your family room wall. Sure it gets the job done, but you risk damaging the wall and/or the portrait.

Medical photos of underage children in a medical context is not "child pornography" because of the intent/use of said photographs. However, if one were to distribute them for other than medical purposes, then that's an entirely different ball game.

This reminds me of the rumor about a groom who finds out that his fiancee was cheating on him with his best friend before the wedding. So he lets the fiancee's parents pay for the wedding and even goes through with the reception. At the end, he asks everyone to look under their chairs and get a parting "gift". Of course, the gift ends up being a photo of his naked fiancee (now former fiancee, wife, and ex-wife) and his naked best friend/man (now ex-best friend/former best man) bumping uglies.
 
I firmly believe people have to take responsibility for their actions. If you don't want to get into trouble then don't cause trouble. But in this case it is getting extreme. The guy was a dolt for sending those pics, but 25yrs on the sex offenders list is too much. That is not even in the same category as a habitual s.o. who repeats the same harmful action over and over again. Those people need to spend their entire life behind bars and/or have their nuts cut off. This guy though is not on the same level as them. He does need a smuck in the head, but 25yrs? No way. Too extreme.
 
All along, this was probably why Apple did not include MMS support with the iPhone.
 
Section VIII said:
This reminds me of the rumor about a groom who finds out that his fiancee was cheating on him with his best friend before the wedding. So he lets the fiancee's parents pay for the wedding and even goes through with the reception. At the end, he asks everyone to look under their chairs and get a parting "gift". Of course, the gift ends up being a photo of his naked fiancee (now former fiancee, wife, and ex-wife) and his naked best friend/man (now ex-best friend/former best man) bumping uglies.
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Wow thats actually really smart and funny, :) Sucks for the groom though.

And ya 25 years on the sex offender list is wayy to much of an extreme for this incident. Its not like he stuck his p in her v and took a pic and posted it in a blog. Ya digg?
 
The dude doesn't deserve any of this....this is fucking retarded. A sex offender because of THAT? What the fuck is wrong with this country and its bullshit laws? This is one of the most utrageous things I've ever heard of.
 
I read this story and from what I can understand he sent the pic's when he was "Under Age" and before he was legally considered and "ADULT" by law. Any decent DA or Lawyer should be able to get the Pedofile charges dropped.

Like other have said this is just a bad situation all around.

KM
 
I don't know what's more disturbing,the fact that things like this are happening regularly these days,or that there are those who actually defend this punk.What if the girl had been your sister?
 
G-fan said:
I don't know what's more disturbing,the fact that things like this are happening regularly these days,or that there are those who actually defend this punk.What if the girl had been your sister?
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Then I'd slap the bitch for sending guys nude pictures of her.
 
Bah... both of them are idiots.

16yr old girl letting her bf snap pics of her naked *cough* whore *cough*.

BF releasing the pics to everyone without hiding his identify.

No one is innocent here.
 
vengence said:
Yes, this is clearly all about the religious right. :rolleyes:
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I shoke me head and thought "this is another prude-law in the religous (pretendt-to-be) holy USA..." when I read this.

Your laws here are medieval at best...so sad.
 
OTOH, maybe he got off easy. Sending it to everyone she knew including her grandparents might have pushed her over the edge like the other girl in the original article:

"An Ohio teen hanged herself in May after her ex-boyfriend forwarded nude photos of her, sharing them with other high-school girls."

So what is adequate punishment for the ex-boyfriend in this case? No easy answers here.
 
Well, perhaps if the sex offender system wasn't so flawed and vague, then it would be ok. All I know is some 18 year old KID made a stupid mistake, and was oblivious to the fact that he'd be placed in the same group with child molestors and other people that truly are sickos.

"Creation and Distribution of child pornography." How the hell does that sound to someone who doesn't know the nature of HIS crime, specifically? It sounds like he's some freak who has a thing for little kids, and it'll only start to look worse as time goes on. Once he's 25...once he's 35, and once he's in his 40's. No one will know the time of the crime, how old he was and etc. Everyone will just think he's some "older dude with a thing for children", which I think is total bullshit.
 
G-fan said:
I don't know what's more disturbing,the fact that things like this are happening regularly these days,or that there are those who actually defend this punk.What if the girl had been your sister?
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I'd ask my sister what the fuck she was thinking. Own up.
 
jinjuku said:
I'd ask my sister what the fuck she was thinking. Own up.
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You have to admit what this guy pulled was a straight up bitch move. Personally I think the father and brother should've administered some fist-to-face justice and THEN dangled this over his head so he wouldn't get the cops involved after his beatdown.
 
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