Serial Swatter Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter

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This just goes to show that his "apology" was not real. He clearly doesn't get how life works. He did what his lawyer told him to do but it didn't play in his favor because he obviously has no self control or any sense of personal responsibility when it comes to his actions.
 

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Actually, I think this fits.

He doesn't see his own part in the victim's death. He believes it was the cop's fault, not his, and they are trying to justify their fuck-up by putting it on him. Therefore I can see how after a few months waiting behind bars for trial, he sees the trial as a conspiracy to put it all on him and he's already screwed so he doesn't have a chance, why try to change, why worry about fucking up his chances in trial, he's already a scapegoat.
 

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How lovely that such hateful and crime-linked twitter account has been left operational...
 

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At this point they should up the charges on him to something that ensures he sees a minimum of 25 to Life. A max of 11 years is an absolute failure of justice. In what should surprise no one it is now blatantly obvious the guy is a sociopath and has absolutely zero remorse that his actions are the absolute cause of someones death.
 

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Why are we even going to spend our money.. 40k+ a year giving this piece of trash 3-hots and a cot plus whatever other stuff that we, the taxpayers, have to pay for in order to let this "person" have a free ride, even if it is in prison?
 

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When you see his comments, you start to get this picture that he really doesn't get the association between his own actions and the events that they brought about. He sees the shooting as an event that is not directly associated with his own actions even though it was indeed his intent to send the cops to someone's home under false premises. He thinks that his intent is all that matters, and that anything that happened that was not his intent, is not on him.

His "sentence/punishment" will not justify "what happened", (the police shooting of the victim). He sees the government putting him on trial and possibly convicting him to prison as an effort to justify their killing of the victim.

The man has serious mental problems, but I believe he is capable of standing trial. And I also think he should remain locked up until the day comes when he understands cause and effect and can learn to accept responsibility for his actions. He makes noises like he does, but it's without truly understanding what it's about.

You can see from his comments that he's clearly a sociopath. He's totally disconnected himself from the end results, almost like he thinks he's found a loophole where he can do what he wants without being held responsible for the outcomes.

Give him his 11 years or whatever, but let all the jurisdictions where he swatted have a piece of him and he can serve them consecutively.

How lovely that such hateful and crime-linked twitter account has been left operational...

The crazy thing is that there's no way to put context to reporting the Twitter account. I can report a tweet, but can't put any text to it.
 
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He's going to learn the true meaning of SWATting in his jail cell when six(6) or more guys wake him up in the middle of the night trying to get into his back door.
 
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Why aren't police tactics and training questioned more frequently? Stop assuming for a minute that I am advocating for this POS guy. Start thinking about why this is largely an issue in the US, among developed countries. Why are massively armed units sent to a scene where no evidence exists?

Repeat shootings of unarmed people are showing that this is the wrong way to go about things. It is too easy, and it carries too few repercussions when unarmed people get shot and killed by police. There are better ways and other countries show that very clearly.

I suggest we pay more for LEO training, pay more LEO compensation and screen them better to have a better force. This country has so much money and we skimp on the most important things like law enforcement and education. Paying lip service isn't going to do it, we need to pump money into having a better police force instead of having "tax breaks" (I think ALL administrations are guilty of this idiocy).
 

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At this point they should up the charges on him to something that ensures he sees a minimum of 25 to Life. A max of 11 years is an absolute failure of justice. In what should surprise no one it is now blatantly obvious the guy is a sociopath and has absolutely zero remorse that his actions are the absolute cause of someones death.

The criminal justice system is mostly broken in regards to sentancing. A guy I used to work with got 18 months for being a pedo. The fucker should've spent the rest of his life in jail for what he did.

Why are we even going to spend our money.. 40k+ a year giving this piece of trash 3-hots and a cot plus whatever other stuff that we, the taxpayers, have to pay for in order to let this "person" have a free ride, even if it is in prison?

Because society wants to rehabilitate people to make them productive members again. Unfortunately its not always possible.

You are right. Add to that he should be locked away forced to watch "My Little Pony" episodes, over and over again, for the rest of his life.

In this case permanent incarceration might not be a bad idea but in general I disagree with it. We should be trying to rehabilitate the people not just punish them.

Why aren't police tactics and training questioned more frequently? Stop assuming for a minute that I am advocating for this POS guy. Start thinking about why this is largely an issue in the US, among developed countries. Why are massively armed units sent to a scene where no evidence exists?

Repeat shootings of unarmed people are showing that this is the wrong way to go about things. It is too easy, and it carries too few repercussions when unarmed people get shot and killed by police. There are better ways and other countries show that very clearly.

I suggest we pay more for LEO training, pay more LEO compensation and screen them better to have a better force. This country has so much money and we skimp on the most important things like law enforcement and education. Paying lip service isn't going to do it, we need to pump money into having a better police force instead of having "tax breaks" (I think ALL administrations are guilty of this idiocy).

This isnt the fault of LEO's. If SWAT shows up it means they believe there is some serious shit going down and they have to go in shooting. They dont do that lightly. More money wont fix this. Harsher sentences for the idiots that do it might. But really the issue is this even a thing?

Find whats causing people to use the police as a weapon and thats the issue you need to fix right there.
 

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I hope that swatting POS gets banned from using a computer or phone for life. That's what that asshole needs. Abuse a power, it should get taken away from you.
 

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Why are we even going to spend our money.. 40k+ a year giving this piece of trash 3-hots and a cot plus whatever other stuff that we, the taxpayers, have to pay for in order to let this "person" have a free ride, even if it is in prison?
Because this isnt North Korea. There's a reason ruthless systems of justice go hand in hand with the shitholes of the world.
 

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In this case permanent incarceration might not be a bad idea but in general I disagree with it. We should be trying to rehabilitate the people not just punish them.

You assume the person can be rehabilitated. I firnly believe there are people simply wired wrong from the factory and cannot be fixed no matter what we do. We are not advanced enough to fix them yet, as they may require some physical repairs to the systems before they have a chance of being operational to the point where they can fit in society.

Then again, I think society itself is broke. Yes, it is a bit of a circle jerk.
 

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You assume the person can be rehabilitated. I firnly believe there are people simply wired wrong from the factory and cannot be fixed no matter what we do. We are not advanced enough to fix them yet, as they may require some physical repairs to the systems before they have a chance of being operational to the point where they can fit in society.

Then again, I think society itself is broke. Yes, it is a bit of a circle jerk.

I think we should assume that until they prove otherwise.
 

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Lookit. I know a lot of people that would grab their gun if they suddenly heard a loud commotion outside their house and then their front door being broken in. Your first instinct when you are in your own home is not to lay down and play dead; it is to stand your ground and defend yourself and family.
They need to make an example of this guy. For him personally he will be the bitch for harden cons. No doubt. When he finally gets out with criminal record in tow the best he can do is pick up trash in parking lots the rest of his life.
 

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I think we should assume that until they prove otherwise.

Yet that is one of the problems. Our science is not advanced enough to be able to know who is permanently broken and who is not. Assuming everyone can be fixed causes a lot of repetitive crime to be committed. I am of the mindset if you commit a heinous act, and have zero remorse for doing so, then that person should be permanently excised from society.

Better to be safe than sorry. Rehabilitation seems to be very hit and miss and when it misses on a serial killer, we leave ourselves exposed to more violent crime.

Running counter to what you said. I think we should assume the rehabilitation system is broken until it is proven otherwise.
 

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Better to be safe than sorry. Rehabilitation seems to be very hit and miss and when it misses on a serial killer, we leave ourselves exposed to more violent crime.
Running counter to what you said. I think we should assume the rehabilitation system is broken until it is proven otherwise.

Here is the thing; people don't want to believe in evil. The want to put the tag those who commit vicious crimes as mentally ill.

How many school shooters have been diagnosed as schizophrenics? None I know of. They are not hearing voices telling them to do what they did. They did it because they wanted to. They have a desire for evil acts.
During the Nuremberg trials of nazi war criminals it was proven these men we not crazy, over zealous for the leader, or anything like that. They loved their families but regardless they were complicit in a EVIL plan and were 100% wholehearted behind it. Their want and desire was for evil. These things have not changed. Evil people do evil things. Saying they are mentally ill is only turning a blind eye to dealing with evil for what it is.

The late Charles Colson was someone I admired greatly. Nixon's lawyer; he went to prison because of his involvement in the Watergate scandal. Before this he became a born again Christian much in part to the consistent witness of a close friend of his. While in prison he saw a huge need for a Christian ministry for prison inmates. Thus Prison Fellowship was born. Charles stayed active in this ministry until late in life.
He wrote about an encounter with a pure evil. He was visiting inmates at Stateville correctional center and sharing the gospel with them. He was getting ready to leave when he was told a prisoner on death row would like to meet with him. He was not told this prisoner was John Wayne Gacy. He sat down across a table from Gacy and spoke with him. Gacy claimed to be a Christian, and then started talking about how he was framed for the crimes that put him there and that he was innocent. Colson knew everything this man said was a lie. He looked across that table at that man and saw pure evil. Evil manifested in a man knowing no law, man made or natural and no pang of conscience. A man that did as he willed and that will was to indulge the darkest desires of his corrupt heart.
Colson recounts feeling very uneasy with his brush with such evil.
 

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Yet that is one of the problems. Our science is not advanced enough to be able to know who is permanently broken and who is not. Assuming everyone can be fixed causes a lot of repetitive crime to be committed. I am of the mindset if you commit a heinous act, and have zero remorse for doing so, then that person should be permanently excised from society.

Better to be safe than sorry. Rehabilitation seems to be very hit and miss and when it misses on a serial killer, we leave ourselves exposed to more violent crime.

Running counter to what you said. I think we should assume the rehabilitation system is broken until it is proven otherwise.

I disagree. Your statement runs along the lines of saying that youre automatically guilty until proven innocent for future crimes you may not even commit.

Better to be sorry than safe is the rule of law today. We would rather 100 criminals go free than see 1 innocent convicted.

In either case since we are talking about a life we have a due diligence to be extra careful that we do not ruin something permanently. Murder, surprisingly, has one of the lowest recidivism rates....
 

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We need to ease up on the "F the Police" attitude, that's the reason we are at this point in society.

When cops get out of a car and within seconds someone is dead because the cops were "afraid" (Afraid Brand Get out of Murder: Accept no substitute!) things are fucked up. When they empty a magazine into a mans back in his own back yard, things are fucked up.

Oh, but being a cop is dangerous! There are plenty of jobs more dangerous and we don't let those folks murder people when they get frightened. If officer "I was too chicken shit for the Marines but still want to be a bad-ass with guns" can't handle the job, they need to find a new one.

The job requires walking into danger, if a prospective cop can't handle that without killing everything in front up him when he's "afraid" he needs to find another line of work.
 

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When cops get out of a car and within seconds someone is dead because the cops were "afraid" (Afraid Brand Get out of Murder: Accept no substitute!) things are fucked up. When they empty a magazine into a mans back in his own back yard, things are fucked up.

Oh, but being a cop is dangerous! There are plenty of jobs more dangerous and we don't let those folks murder people when they get frightened. If officer "I was too chicken shit for the Marines but still want to be a bad-ass with guns" can't handle the job, they need to find a new one.

The job requires walking into danger, if a prospective cop can't handle that without killing everything in front up him when he's "afraid" he needs to find another line of work.
Not sure what your argument here because none of what you said pertains to what I said. No evidence was given of a cop jumps out of a car and shoots someone for no reason, this situation was not that. SWAT and everyday cops are 2 different breeds.
Stop the hate of law enforcement and spreading hate period. That's the point of my statement.
 

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I disagree. Your statement runs along the lines of saying that youre automatically guilty until proven innocent for future crimes you may not even commit.

Better to be sorry than safe is the rule of law today. We would rather 100 criminals go free than see 1 innocent convicted.

In either case since we are talking about a life we have a due diligence to be extra careful that we do not ruin something permanently. Murder, surprisingly, has one of the lowest recidivism rates....

Your logic is rather odd. My statement pertains to someone who has been found guilty.

You would rather 100 criminals kill an addiotnal 200 people than to see one innocent convicted? Guess what? Innocent people will get convicted, regardless of rehabilitation. The system is flawed is many ways. Innocent people get convicted. Habitual criminals are set free. It is a mess.

Due diligence, to me, is doing everything we can to preserve the safety of the people outside the system. People who are inherently wired wrong have no place in an open society. Will an innocent get caught up in that? No doubt, but I will accept that if it means one less habitual criminal being set free.
 

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Innocent people will get convicted, regardless of rehabilitation. The system is flawed is many ways. Innocent people get convicted. Will an innocent get caught up in that? No doubt, but I will accept that if it means one less habitual criminal being set free.
Great.
If I am ever convicted of a crime I did not commit I will let you take my place.
 

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Great.
If I am ever convicted of a crime I did not commit I will let you take my place.

It happens all the time. The only way to avoid it, with 100% certainty, is to never convict anyone of anything.
 

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Should charged him with conspiracy to commit murder. Calling a swat team to someones house isn't involuntary.

Hope this fuck rots in prison. Probably wont. Our legal system is a joke.

Need to go back to public hangings.

I agree on both fronts. Sending swat police to someone home to cause harm is conspiracy to commit murder.
One the other hand, it's sad that US citizens know the police has a stained history of killing innocent citizens unjustly, and use it to their advantage.

Think of all the embellished "he has a gun or hes going to kill me" 911 calls just to get the police to respond faster and take the person to jail based on no evidence that person had a weapon or was going to kill them.
 
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At this point they should up the charges on him to something that ensures he sees a minimum of 25 to Life. A max of 11 years is an absolute failure of justice. In what should surprise no one it is now blatantly obvious the guy is a sociopath and has absolutely zero remorse that his actions are the absolute cause of someones death.

what we *should* do and what we *can do in a court of law* are sometimes very different answers. This is one of those times.
 

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When cops get out of a car and within seconds someone is dead because the cops were "afraid" (Afraid Brand Get out of Murder: Accept no substitute!) things are fucked up. When they empty a magazine into a mans back in his own back yard, things are fucked up.

Oh, but being a cop is dangerous! There are plenty of jobs more dangerous and we don't let those folks murder people when they get frightened. If officer "I was too chicken shit for the Marines but still want to be a bad-ass with guns" can't handle the job, they need to find a new one.

The job requires walking into danger, if a prospective cop can't handle that without killing everything in front up him when he's "afraid" he needs to find another line of work.
This is a foolishly naive way of looking at things.

No one, I don't care who they are, is not going to be tense in a situation where they are responding to an active shooter.

Cops, soldiers, swat team members, they are all human beings, and the potential of being shot at is going to make even the best of us jittery and a bit jumpy.

As log as these situations exist, with nervous human beings with their fingers on triggers, accidents are going to happen. It's inevitable, no matter how well intentioned the person with their finger on the trigger may be.

This doesn't mean that there aren't bad cops and that there aren't bad situations that have happened that shouldn't have, like the recent case where Stephon Clark was shot while just hanging out in his grandparents back yard. That case is highly questionable. This swat case - however - is not. The police are not to blame in the slightest in this situation.
 
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http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article208394569.html

Tyler Barriss — the man charged in a swatting hoax that led to the death of an innocent Wichita man — apparently got access to the internet from jail for at least 28 minutes on Friday and threatened to swat again.

Okay, I swear to God.
If this isn't Peak Stupid, it's gotta be right up there in second place.

I hope this stupid motherfucker enjoys his life sentence in solitary confinement.
Unless he gets a death penalty (not sure he qualifies legally but dammit). Sometimes the gene pool needs to self-chlorinate.
 

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It happens all the time. The only way to avoid it, with 100% certainty, is to never convict anyone of anything.

So your point is that because we dont have a perfect record of never convicting innocent people we should give up the ideal? It would be a lot worse if we didnt go to such lengths.
 

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So your point is that because we dont have a perfect record of never convicting innocent people we should give up the ideal? It would be a lot worse if we didnt go to such lengths.

Never said that. Not my point at all. I thought I was stating the obvious, quite frankly.
 

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In this case permanent incarceration might not be a bad idea but in general I disagree with it. We should be trying to rehabilitate the people not just punish them.

There is an interesting conversation to be had here though. We know from various studies that there is a genetic component involved with being inclined to disregard societal rules.

Since there is a "crime gene", maybe forced sterilization for anyone who is incarcerated wouldn't be such a bad idea...
 

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Gaskill is fortunate he wasn't charged with some of the more serious crimes the other's were charged with, for giving a false address and goading him on, some might view that as participating in some capacity to manslaughter as well.
 

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He noted that one of the charges — false information and hoaxes resulting in a death, with which Barriss is charged — can bring a life sentence.

Hope he does get a life sentence.
 
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