SENTRY 2.0: Evolution of console-sized gaming PC case

Discussion in 'Small Form Factor Systems' started by ZombiPL, Apr 1, 2018.

  1. SaperPL

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    FYI: We've added the second tab to the compatibility spreadsheet to include current generations cards: Nvidia 20 & 16 Series, AMD R VII, RX Vega & 500 Series,

    Radeon VII doesn't seem to fit as it'd be really though to fit PEGs.

    We've got 56.4% of compatibility ratio in current generation as opposed to 60.4% in previous generation of cards (Nvidia 10 Series, RX 400 Series). Looks like the 4% drop is thanks to RTX card getting 2.5 and 3 slot cooling solutions.
     
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    Linus is doing a livestream with Sentry 2.0 right now fyi. .
    edit: He's doing a great job of showing why you should read manuals instead of just winging it.
     
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    I heard the guy from OptimumTech mention he will be reviewing Sentry 2.0 as well. He does really good sff work, and videography, I'm looking forward to seeing his review.
     
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    Yeah, I'm happy that Linus looked at this case since it will get a lot of publicity, but it feels like a half hearted effort for as much as he likes the case. I don't understand why he kept refusing to look at the manual. Linus also mentioned that Kyle (Bitwit) has the case as well. ZombiPL and SaperPL also follow JayzTwoCents on Twitter so there's a chance he got one as well.

    edit: I just noticed that PaulsHardware also received a case and is planning on doing a build which uses an AIO cooler.
     
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    Idk about Jay. A lot of his coverage of sff stuff has been pretty weak. He's overly critical of sff and pretty unfamiliar with it in general from what I've seen. He's a custom loop water cooling guy after all.

    I'd like to see the guys from Hardware Unboxed take Sentry 2.0 through their typical 8000 game and hardware configuration benchmark marathon. They do good work.

    Or GamersNexus. They're not too used to covering sff either but do good, thorough testing.
     
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    Some people like to see how difficult it is to build without a manual, from watching his video, Sentry 2.0 seems not difficult to build without it for a SFF case.
     
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    In anycase, watching Linus building it makes me want the Sentry even more.
     
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    I'm just excited that it seems like significantly more people are able to review the case. I also don't actually know if he got a case; I'm making an educated guess.

    Except he didn't install the riser bracket correctly. It's not supposed to loosely sandwich the riser pcb without any support. The riser bracket is inserted at a low angle into a cutout and then raised into position like a hinge. Linus's way doesn't properly support the riser like it should. He also used the wrong screws for the motherboard and didn't understand that the extra piece that he had was for mounting the SSD that he gave up on.

    I do agree that it's good to see how difficult it is to assemble a case without the manual, but Linus just made a video that potentially a couple hundred thousand people will see where he assembled it incorrectly because he was being stubborn and didn't want to read a manual.
     
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    It's not difficult as the layout is pretty straight forward. But as a first gen owner I know the tricks to build it much, much easier and cleaner.
    He was doing it for the entertainment factor I guess.
     
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    I aged a bit watching it live yesterday, but I wouldn't say he was being stubborn.

    This, and there are few other factors here.

    One is that he doesn't want to do case reviews anymore as case vendors are throwing same cases with slight improvements year after year at him, so maybe he did it to scare off others at bit.

    Second thing is that he probably didn't want to spoil reviews coming from Kyle and Paul and potentially others with him doing a full build live correctly with his commentary before the reviews are live.
     
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    I found a countdown that some people might be interested in... http://zaber.com.pl/sentry/ It ends at 18.00 CET on April 1st. I'm sure ZombiPL and SaperPL will have more updates as the time gets closer.
     
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    If I don’t get a pre-order in I’m going to be pissed! Been following this thread for almost a year.
     
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    What’s the most powerful GPU I can fit if I have two 3.5” drives in there?
     
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    There should be enough perks in the campaign for everyone interested. It's not going to be like last year's pre-orders where we were testing things with DHL and Paypal. It's because of that, that we are doing a campaign rather than simple pre-orders, because Paypal is terrible for handling pre-orders if you are actually going to make a product, and not be a retailer with a pre-order deal for a game release.

    Some people actually waited significantly more than that, then they did not back us on the campaign for various reasons, and are still waiting for the second campaign now...

    If you put a second 3.5" drive in there, you are limited to single slot card that would be above it. Note that fan intake will be partially blocked and pretty close to those drives.

    I think that 1070 Katana might be the most powerful GPU for it, you'd have to put a fully perforated PCI bracket/slot cover in the second slot though and hope it won't affect the drive directly under the GPU.
     
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    I didn’t even know that thing existed. Thanks man! Can’t wait to order this and throw my Chopin in the trash.
     
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    Yeah the 1070 Katana is impossible to find and wouldn’t work. There’s a single slot 1050 Ti but I think it might be over 170mm.
     
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    Quadro p1000? Very small. Even with how small it is idk if it'd be able to breath though
     
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    I'm desperately trying to fit I9 9900k into Sentry II. As I understand the cpu is heat intensive which requires AIO ( all in one ).
    Would Assetek help in that regard? ( https://bit.ly/2O4przb )

    How about Instead of Corsair power supplies I would go for AC-DC + power distributor.
    That means that juice comes from socket as AC gets converted to DC with HDPLEX 400W AC-DC ( https://bit.ly/2O2UaN7 ) and then
    it gets broken down into 24pin power, ATX, 6pin...with
    HDPLEX 400W HiFi DC-ATX ( https://bit.ly/2LjVJow )

    With this set up could I open up more room where power supply would fit and I could try cram in actual 240 AIO?
     
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  20. Kyle_Bennett

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    Please DO NOT use link shorteners in the future. We like to know what exactly we are clicking on.
     
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    Yes for 120 mm Asetek-based AIO.

    As for DC-ATX + brick, well, you're on your own here. We're making this case in a way it should contain everything inside and use reasonable hardware. So it's not made for DC-ATX. Also I checked just what you asked about for someone at sff and it looks like 120 mm AIO could fit where we have SFX PSU right now, but there's literally no good spot to fit HDPLEX 400W after you do this.

    We assume you either have a CPU intensive workload and are okay with 180W TDP GPU like 2070 in Mini ITX format like the one from gigabyte, or you need top tier GPU and you are okay with 65W TDP CPU and small air cooler. 9900K is simply ridiculous because it can pull way more than it's TDP of 95W.
     
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    I don’t think the 9900K is going to work. That thing puts out a lot of heat trust me I know lol.
     
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    By the way If you are thinking about doing a 9900K build without AIO - stop and listen to these few words from der8auer (timestamp):


    TL : DW (5 seconds from timestamp though): 9900K can easily consume 150W on full load, with OC easily 200W.

    If you want top CPU power for some professional workload, go for ITX sized 2070 or something like that and put a AIO on 9900K if you must go intel route, otherwise I recommend going with 65W CPU, unless you don't really care about your build being loud.
     
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    What do you want to use the I9 9900k for? It's kinda a niche chip and you most likely can get away with whatever you want to do with it using a lower powered chip that's not gonna cook in the sentry.
     
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    Was trying to think outside of the box a little.

    Saper so 120 mm Asetek-based AIO and INNO3D RTX 2060 Twin X2 would work? ( I tried finding that doc sheet with GPU compatibility list but couldn't find it. )
    Yeah the intention is to really push the limits or find some way to cram the most power possible in Sentry. I' aware that small ITX sacrifice high end chips
    for small form factor due to constraints with cooling options or bulky power supply. (Like Corsair is the only one that makes smaller PSU but even those are big,
    right - when you look at HD plexes with their passive cooling and 2 piece design (AC to DC separated from DC to motherboard distribution.)

    FullVietFX oh yeah that is why I'm only thinking of AIOs. But in my mind if I could put that in and have decent temps that would be big win in my head. Like who
    doesn't want high end, or best of the best in small form factor. Right now we are still not there, but we are getting there!

    Oh Sapper never in a million years would I passively cool it. Interesting looking at Toms hardware specs and test for gaming in general thing did not cross 105 Wats under load.

    ForScience so I always had computers that were low to mid tier builds just based on the way that for everything I bought I had to pay part of it when I was growing up.
    So now I'm saving and I really want to build high end PC with intention to have as much possible raw power as I can. I'm looking at your Arma 3. ( CPU single core intensive game )

    So really it comes down to whats the best performance to cooling ratio for sentry II. Say we work with Corsair 600W + Asetek 92mm AIO Cooler (or any better cooler next to GPU) on unlimited budget.
     
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    This card is on the list, there is a link to the product page on the list and the product page has specs tab. It will not fit along the AIO because it is a 196 mm long card and we have 175 mm limitation for card length if you want to use it with AIO.

    Also note that there's a little chance that you can get two fans withing this length limit because at such distance you will be better off with a single large diameter fan.

    If you want and AIO config, safest way is to go with current Gigabyte's lineup, also I feel like for a full length card, their lineup of Gaming cards with 3 fans (windforce 3X type of cooler) is THE reference sized lineup to go with.
     
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    That is great answer I found blue hyperlink that links to spreadsheet. You know if you ever decide to improve website, breaking everything in their own little
    sections instead of all on the same page sounds okay idea to me. Good on walking me through if card is capable of AIO.

    I got some suggestions in regards to manual that you asked earlier. Page 28 shows shematic. Would be good idea to have mm labeled next to it or
    perhaps quote that all numbers are in metric system/or in mm or that there is no possible confusion with cm.
     
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    This is honestly the first SFF case in a long time that has be drooling to make a new HTPC build. Absolutely love the simplicity/looks/form-factor
     
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